This Country need a history lesson on its Native peoples

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The HAUDENOSAUNEE

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It is also about the twelfth topic you've started re first nations. Give us a break for a few hours.

LOL, great reply. Well at least it wasn't like the others.

Juan - how about giving Bear a break today?

I am at fault asking Bear to post some information about First Nations People - he isn't trying to annoy you in particular and yet you seem to be taking everything he does personally on this forum.

Sanctus posts regularly and in fairly high numbers too, on topics of interest to him, particularly religious topics and I haven't seen a cautionary word from your about his interesting posts.

Give it a rest.

You know you are my little cute knight in shining armour, don't you?

Nothing I have said here has been any kind of official rebuke to anyone. Maybe everyone else enjoys talking about first nations and that is perfectly acceptable. Personally, I am a little tired of their hands out, cult of entitlement.

I agree with this. Again like I just said. "You can't help people that don't want to be helped" First Nations people are given every opportunity and IMO, get way more then they should from our government. How about the government telling me I don't have to pay taxes that would be nice.

Some of this stuff is on the same topics it could be combinded into one thread to cut back. But so could most of what's his faces religious threads so whatever. You don't have to open the thread and read it.

Ive read a great deal on Canadian Indians......not history but about thier Shamans. Let me find the series......1 sec.......here we go.

Lynn V. Andrews Medicine Woman it a beautiful series about a woman and 2 Canadian Shaman Women. Ive never been so moved by a series. They distinctly follow the way of the Shaman NOT the Tribe. Its quite touching. Ive read nearly a dozen of her novels.

I noticed no official rebuttles either Juan. Is this not a forum for the conveyance of information, personal views and debate though? So why try to stifle?

I'm as tired as you are with the constant whining for more money, as I have pointed out several times. The only difference is, I chose to be active about fixing the problem, not be blind to the truth and spread misinformation, like yourself.

They get away with as much as the Government will allow, which in my eye, is far to much. It perpetuates the stereotype and does nothing to address the issues that isolated communities face.

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Here is a good lesson in present day history on the appalling treatment of natives.

Article in The Gazette dated today:
An unlikely place for hope
IN A COMMUNITY where child suicide is rampant and most homes don’t have running water, there are signs that life is improving
PIKANGIKUM, ONT. – Crammed into a ramshackle 700square-foot house that she shares with eight relatives, Juliette Turtle has resigned herself to a life without a decent roof over her head, a toilet or running water.


“I’ve just learned to accept it because there’s no housing,” the 58-year-old says through a translator as she sits on a worn beige sofa beneath a leaky window.


A few steps away, one of Turtle’s grandchildren lies in what passes for a bedroom – a space with three mattresses covering the floor. Clothing is hung on hooks or strings on the wall.


Outside is an outhouse the family members share – a situation faced by almost every family on the Pikangikum reserve in northwestern Ontario, 300 kilometres northeast of Winnipeg.


When the pit fills with excrement, the Turtles fill it in, dig a new hole nearby, and move their floorless outhouse shack over it.


Also on the property are the gravesites of relatives, including some of the seven children Turtle has lost to suicide.


She’s not sure why seven of her 12 kids took their own lives, but it’s not shocking in a community that has suffered one of the highest suicide rates in the world.


“After all the things I’ve gone through, I’m hoping my grandchildren don’t have to go through the same things,” Turtle says.


The community of 2,200 has a litany of problems that start with basic infrastructure.


Half of the 430 homes are falling apart and unfit to live in, yet continue to be occupied. Ninety per cent don’t have running water or indoor toilets. Turtle and other families haul water in jugs from the community’s water treatment plant. Some draw water from a lake and boil it.


Still, many in the community believe there’s hope for the future.


After years of fighting with the federal government over funding, a deal may be close at hand to build water and sewer lines, and more housing.


Federal officials and local leaders formed a work group in November to tackle priority areas, and will meet again this week. Indian Affairs Minister Jim Prentice has promised action.


“In the new year, people will see us moving in a very tangible, concrete way,” Prentice said in an interview last month.


Community residents are cautiously hopeful. “This is something we’ve heard in the past,” said Dean Owen, who served as chief for 18 months until last fall. “There is hope … that all these things will start happening.”


The band has received money to build about 10 new homes in each of the last several years, Owen said, but it’s not enough to keep up with a growing population and the need to replace dilapidated houses.


Work to connect homes to the water treatment plant has been stalled since 2001, when the former Liberal government took over the band’s finances. The books were in order, but the government felt the band was not addressing the community’s social problems, including its alarming suicide rate.


Last September, a regional medical officer of health said Pikangikum’s water troubles were putting residents at risk of disease.


The town’s electrical supply – a diesel generating station – is so overtaxed that residents were told not to put up Christmas lights this season.


Still, there are signs that life has begun to improve.


Mick Staruck, principal of Pikangikum’s school, said the youth suicide rate peaked in 1999, when half-a-dozen kids in his Grade 7 class alone took their own lives. In the last two years, two children in the entire school have ended theirs.


Staruck credits a new wave of dedicated teachers recruited specifically from northern areas, along with new after-school programs and sports that have kept kids engaged and off the streets.


The school has forgone new supplies in order to hire its first guidance counsellor as well as several teaching assistants.


In stark contrast with many of Pikangikum’s crumbling, graffiti-covered homes, the school is brightly lit and lively.


Elsewhere, the band council has started a youth patrol, whose members help ensure other children get home at night instead of hanging out on the street.


Pikangikum’s elders hope the next generation will be able to lead a better life, but say any improvement starts with the basics.








This is another prime example that members of our gouv do not have a clue of what life is really like for some of the people. It is really unimaginable that humans could treat other humans like this.


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Ever hear of a PM?


Sorry,.............forgot to add .........lol

What he said

CDN bear banned? what did he do?

first nations: bad stuff happened. true. It doesnt help when people keep going on about it though. end of.

There are some of us who want to learn about Native history. Some people don't want to here about it because they are afraid it will change their way of thinking. You never learn enough no matter what it is about, and this is part of the history of our land. I personally hope CDN Bear keeps on giving us as much history he can.

Bear is on a one week paid vacation.

Gee ,I never viewed it as "thier hands out "

-- -- called the decision to house young Canadians in church-run native residential schools "the single most harmful, disgraceful and racist act in our history."



I actually come here for some of the "history lessons " and I would also like to learn how the First Nations People are healing themselves ,and most importantly how they intergate old ways(pre res) (customs ,beliefs,traditions )with this not so easy to deal with immerging "Canada"


I see the board talk much more about Iran ,War ,and dining alone ?(havent been there yet )

Thank you

i think canadians need a history lesson on canada, never mind the indians.

I would assert the Indians are an integral part of Canadian history, especially since they got shafted by the white man.

Nugly - I realize you are backing your friend Juan....and I just saw this post you wrote... perhaps my remark was inappropriate but I thought bringing fairness into the picture.

PM's are a sneaky way of doing business behind closed doors. I prefer in public and up front.

I felt responsible that Bear gets nagged enough and I had asked him to write about the history of the First Nations people from his perspective. He was doing just this when he was told to give it a rest.

The same situation holds true for many posters who have special interests and topics in which they have knowledge to share. I rarely see them getting chastized..... it has nothing to do with too many threads on the same topic..... compare Sanctus' great posts on his religious beliefs and the people respond....as is testament to the number of posts.

Isn't that why we are here? To read things we may never have an opportunity to read or ask questions on subjects we may not understand?

why does heshe appear banned when he/she's on vacation?

I have not been a member of this form for very long and was utterly enjoying CDN Bear's history lessons and in fact I also asked him for more. The Native history if a large part of the history of Canada. Are people afraid of hearing about it? In school we learned that the "Indians" were bad, I think that some people are afraid of hearing the other side to that story. The white people really did a job on the natives and today they have big problems because of what was done to them. I also agree that if Santus can keep posting his religion and sometimes he is almost nasty I think the CDN Bear can also.

Oh. Does that mean you aren't really what it says under your nickname - a mod?

Without the indians there would be no Canada as you know it. The indians ARE Canada. In my opinion.

I cant PM you or email, my best hope is your still aloud to read here. I miss you Brother. My Sis may be coming to visit in February. Only for the weekend but I want them to see some of the Native history here in Virginia. Its the 400th anerversay this year. I want my nephew to learn about the first natives to see europeans. I want him to know thee truth of history but he never will read it in a book or find it on a living museum. The truth is lost forever because even our elders have been "saved" and Anglisized.

yes the poor natives get the shaft all the time. That must be why the gov't built 2 state of the art schools 6km apart from each other at a combined cost of $21,000,000, due to the fact that the 2 reserves do not get along with each other. Can someone explain to me why schools all over the country are closing due to amalgamations, and school kids are being bused for hours now to get to the nearest school, but when it comes to the first nations people the sky is the limit. The first school was built at a cost of $12,000,000 and the second at a cost of $9,000,000. Oh, did I mention that the one school has an enrollment of 250 students and the other has only 75, yes the poor natives.

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In this article the chief of the reserve, who at the time was a liberal candidate, embesseled $600,000 from the school fund. So who is shafting who, and who is getting shafted.

the fact is u can't rely on the government to make things right for everyone. They're trying to be nice to the natives cos they'd sure as hell get in trouble if they werent. your kids schools are screwed probably because u live in a crowded area. try living in london. parents sell their souls to get their kids into a "good" school.

I wouldn't exactly call rural Saskatchewn crowded, which is why they are closing so many schools, except when it comes to the first nations. The same rules just don't seem to apply.