the clan of the claw
Posts: 1,976 
January 21st, 2006, 10:58 PM
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indeed, the only successful systems strike the proper balance between the individual and the society.
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In the current status of human psychological evolution, a true communist system is impossible since we have not yet evolved away from selfish tendencies. While there is certain joy to be thinking of the hippie-like euphoria of a true communal paradise, such a place can only exist in your mind.
Socialism which is totally connected to communism, and communism in its goal was to have a total equality of the classes right.
Some would claim that would be through getting rid of the upper-classes through elimination, but that was the goal of communism, wasn't it.
Equality of the classes.
Some would claim that would be through getting rid of the upper-classes through elimination, but that was the goal of communism, wasn't it.
Equality of the classes.
jimmoyer
Posts: 5,040 
Location: Winchester Virginia
Location: Winchester Virginia
January 21st, 2006, 11:09 PM
The only reason Marxism or even ersatz communism
got support from the intellectual left is that they
are searching for some antedote to the problems
of capitalism.
But this antedote is ultimately worse.
We can see this where-ever this antedote is applied.
The overall wealth and productivity of such societies
is stifled.
The only reason Marxism or even ersatz communism
got support from the intellectual left is that they
are searching for some antedote to the problems
of capitalism.
But this antedote is ultimately worse.
We can see this where-ever this antedote is applied.
The overall wealth and productivity of such societies
is stifled.
Bright Spark
Posts: 271
Location: Fruita, CO, Aztlan
Location: Fruita, CO, Aztlan
January 25th, 2006, 09:48 AM
A major problem is that most of the free market private property cultists automatically classify anyone who doesn't agree with them as a "stalinist" and ignore all the many years of political-economic-social thought dealing with other alternative systems. When I even mention that I'm a personalist who tends towards a form of "socialism" (public assistance to the development and aid to family businesses and municipalization of major manufactoring) and immediately I'm responsible for the excesses of the russian civil war, the stalinist famine and purges, the takeover of eastern europe and the castro executions. It's equivalent to me holding the owner of a McDuck's franchise responsible for the slave trade, european colonialism, the extermination of the Native Americans and all the oppressive US supported third world dictatorships.
A major problem is that most of the free market private property cultists automatically classify anyone who doesn't agree with them as a "stalinist" and ignore all the many years of political-economic-social thought dealing with other alternative systems. When I even mention that I'm a personalist who tends towards a form of "socialism" (public assistance to the development and aid to family businesses and municipalization of major manufactoring) and immediately I'm responsible for the excesses of the russian civil war, the stalinist famine and purges, the takeover of eastern europe and the castro executions. It's equivalent to me holding the owner of a McDuck's franchise responsible for the slave trade, european colonialism, the extermination of the Native Americans and all the oppressive US supported third world dictatorships.
