Pope Apologizes to Mexico’s Indigenous Peoples - How much gold did he steal?


Danbones
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Pope Apologizes to Mexico’s Indigenous Peoples

Pope Francis, while on an Obama-style apology tour, asked for forgiveness from the indigenous people of Mexico because of the way they have been “excluded from society.”

The comment from Pope Francis, 79, came during his tour of Mexico’s most southern state of Chiapas. The Pope cited a litany of sins against the people including government corruption, colonialism, looting of natural resources and global warming, the BBC reported on Tuesday.

“On many occasions, in a systematic and organized way, your people have been misunderstood and excluded from society,” the Pope said after he cited Popol Vuh, an ancient Mayan text.

“Some have considered your values, culture and traditions to be inferior. Others, intoxicated by power, money and market trends, have stolen your lands or contaminated them. How sad this is,” he continued.

Chiapas is considered to be the cultural center for the indigenous people of Mexico, ValleyCentral.com reported. The Pope presided over a Mass where he spoke in three native languages of the people. The languages had to first be approved by the Vatican before being used in a papal Mass.

The pontiff cited abuses of the people by his own church during the period of colonial exploration and expansion where much of South and Central America was taken over by nations dominated by Catholicism.

“How worthwhile it would be for each of us to examine our conscience and learn to say, ‘Forgive me!’,” the Pope continued.

Chiapas is reported to be the least Catholic state in Mexico. While still a majority, only 58 percent of Chiapans are loyal to the Catholic Church, as compared to 82 percent of all Mexicans. Mexico is the second most populace Catholic nation, behind Brazil.

Later on Tuesday, the Pope heads to the drug cartel infested state of Michoacan. Breitbart Texas has provided extensive coverage of the murders and other acts of cartel related violence that occurs in this Mexican state as a variety of drug cartels battle for power and control.

During his Mass in Chiapas, the Pope said the indigenous people had a deep appreciation for nature and that they had much to teach the rest of the world. “We can no longer remain silent before one of the greatest environmental crises in world history,” he stated.

Valley Central reported that the indigenous communities have legal rights to much of Mexico’s forest and desert lands. Mining and logging interests have long fought them over access have reportedly left areas polluted or denuded.

The Pope will conclude his visit to Mexico with a stop in the war-torn region just south of the American border with Texas. He will travel to Ciudad Juarez where factions of the Gulf Cartel have carried out war-like gun battles with Mexican authorities and each other in a struggle for power and control of both the flow of drugs and human cargo into the United States.

Breitbart Texas began its Cartel Chronicles series to bring to light the warzone the state of Tamaulipas has become. Murder, kidnapping, and raging gun battles have become commonplace occurrences in this region.

Bob Price is a senior political news contributor for Breitbart Texas and a member of the original Breitbart Texas team. Follow him on Twitter @BobPriceBBTX.
Pope Apologizes to Mexico's Indigenous Peoples


How much gold have the pope and the European countries stolen, and what has been the result on today's Mexico?

Would the gold that paid for the Vatican's walls pay for Mexico's wall today?

Would they even need a wall today if they had all their gold?

"The wreck of a lost treasure ship has been found 307 years after it vanished beneath the waves.

The galleon San Jose was found at the bottom of the Caribbean off the Colombian coast on Nov. 27, President Juan Manuel Santos of Colombia said in a statement on Saturday (Dec. 5). Built in 1696, the Spanish galleon was lost in a sea battle with the English in 1708.

A modern battle seems likely to erupt over the find. As CNN and other outlets reported, a U.S. salvage firm has claimed that it originally discovered the site of the wreck in 1981 and is owed half the treasure on the ship — a haul of gold and silver from South America thought to be worth between $4 billion and $17 billion. [See Photos of the 'San Jose' Treasure Ship and Artifacts]"
Sunken Treasure Ship Worth Billions Found After 300 Years (external - login to view)

This is just one example of central/south american gold going to the Spanish with a huge chunk of loot going to the poop
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EagleSmack
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Any plans on paying back?
 
Danbones
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yeah popie...

tear down that wall!

there is also some books i wanna read too
 
EagleSmack
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Maybe they'll have a book sale.
 
Danbones
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they got them for free
 
bill barilko
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Quote: Originally Posted by DanbonesView Post

This is just one example of central/south american gold going to the Spanish with a huge chunk of loot going to the poop

FYI-Mexico is in North America
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by DanbonesView Post

yeah popie...

tear down that wall!

there is also some books i wanna read too

My mind is a whirl with what's in those vaults. man oh man, the value of the treasures is surely enough to do away with alot of starvation in the world. Too bad catholics like for people to suffer...
 
EagleSmack
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Danbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by bill barilkoView Post

FYI-Mexico is in North America

Yeah well, sure if you want to pick nits. The Jesuits and everyone else who were mining the gold from the southwest US and further south were sending the gold out primarily from down central and south america from the the spanish controlled areas, and of course then the spanish were right up into California as well.

"Mexico and Central America, 1600–1800 A.D.

Finally, via the route of the Manila Galleons, Mexico serves as the nexus of Spain’s trade with the East Indies..."

Mexico and Central America, 1600?1800 A.D. | Chronology | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art (external - login to view)

back then they were part of NEW SPAIN ya know?
the pope got his share of that gold
 
Danbones
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yeah, northern:

the beavers and all
 
Ludlow
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I don't know why the Pope is claiming responsibilty it's Ferdinand and Isabel who need to apologize but they're dead.
 
Danbones
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Popie was behind them, he divided the new world up between the Portuguese and the Spanish and received money from them at all times:

it wasn't his to do that with.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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If I was President, I'd set up an "Office of Apology." Please note that the pope shelled out not one lead centavo in connection with his apology. If you can make people feel better and generate some goodwill so cheaply, only an idiot, like Kim Jong Don and his li'l Trumpchumps, with their tiny little hands and egos, would refuse.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

If I was President, I'd set up an "Office of Apology." Please note that the pope shelled out not one lead centavo in connection with his apology. If you can make people feel better and generate some goodwill so cheaply, only an idiot, like Kim Jong Don and his li'l Trumpchumps, with their tiny little hands and egos, would refuse.

The Quechuan wouldn't want their gold back anyway. No, no, no. They would give it all back to the Europeans so that they will continue to do their charitable works all over the planet.
 
Danbones
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A couple years ago the Vatican was listed as having the biggest real estate and bank portfolios in the world.
For a religion founded by a poor guy who didn't own anything, it seems to be a bit out of sorts with what the ol' boss seems to have wanted.
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by DanbonesView Post

A couple years ago the Vatican was listed as having the biggest real estate and bank portfolios in the world.
For a religion founded by a poor guy who didn't own anything, it seems to be a bit out of sorts with what the ol' boss seems to have wanted.

Makes one wonder what they have as "assets" and what amount of gold, trinkets and treasures they have.

Given the restrictions on whom and what can be seen...
 
petros
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Lots and lots of lots. Not much cash.

The Vatican library isn't hiding anything. No magic beans or spaceship service manuals.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Lots and lots of lots. Not much cash.

The Vatican library isn't hiding anything. No magic beans or spaceship service manuals.

Just Amelia Earhart and Jimmy Hoffa playing poker.
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Lots and lots of lots. Not much cash.

The Vatican library isn't hiding anything. No magic beans or spaceship service manuals.

how do you know? Or are you going on the honour system?
 
petros
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Because there are no such things and it's ludicrous to believe they would withhold anything of such nature.

Factoid... The moon is a quasi Catholic place of worship.

The very first thing Buzz Aldrin did on the moon was have communion.

If they had spaceship service manuals the Church wouldn't have waited for Appolo 11.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Because there are no such things and it's ludicrous to believe they would withhold anything of such nature.

Factoid... The moon is a quasi Catholic place of worship.

The very first thing Buzz Aldrin did on the moon was have communion.

If they had spaceship service manuals the Church wouldn't have waited for Appolo 11.

Actually, the very first thing Buzz Aldrin did on the moon was say "Contact light," the first words spoken on the Moon.

That's according to Buzz, by the way.
 
petros
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His feet weren't on luna firma.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

His feet weren't on luna firma.

His feet were never on luna firma. He'd be dead if they were.
 
damngrumpy
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Much of this is nonsense. This Pope took nothing from Latin America.
Yes there was a colonial government that raped pillaged murdered and
stole much of what had value. While ranting no one has mentioned the
British, the French, The Dutch, The Germans and even the Italians.
The British and French were likely the worst when we gather our talking
points. Yes how much then did the British Crown steal? It might also be
said the British Queen was once the biggest drug lord the world ever saw
The British East India Company was the main vehicle for opium transport,
that company was owned by the British Crown..
Apologies are in order and reconciliation tales ,many forms but really the
tact of sensational comments is not going to do anything to heal old wounds,
When it came to religion I made my way to the exit long time ago. The fact
the Pope is making an effort to acknowledge the past is a good thing.
Secondly the aspect of New Spain meant the Spanish Empire not the Italian
Empire. Most of the Spanish wealth went to pay for the Armada that failed
Geography and history are having a hard time lining up here
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

Much of this is nonsense. This Pope took nothing from Latin America.
Yes there was a colonial government that raped pillaged murdered and
stole much of what had value. While ranting no one has mentioned the
British, the French, The Dutch, The Germans and even the Italians.
The British and French were likely the worst when we gather our talking
points. Yes how much then did the British Crown steal?

So. . . your point is that if you and several accomplices commit a crime, you are not responsible for your actions?
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It might also be said the British Queen was once the biggest drug lord the world ever saw
The British East India Company was the main vehicle for opium transport,
that company was owned by the British Crown.

Which is probably relevant to the Americas in your mind. As a matter of history, by the way, the BEIC was never owned by the Crown.

Quote:

Apologies are in order and reconciliation tales ,many forms but really the
tact of sensational comments is not going to do anything to heal old wounds,
When it came to religion I made my way to the exit long time ago. The fact
the Pope is making an effort to acknowledge the past is a good thing.
Secondly the aspect of New Spain meant the Spanish Empire not the Italian
Empire. Most of the Spanish wealth went to pay for the Armada that failed
Geography and history are having a hard time lining up here

Especially your version of history.
 
petros
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Grumps forgot it was the Spaniards.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Grumps forgot it was the Spaniards.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
 
EagleSmack
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DG forgets and misses a lot.
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Because there are no such things and it's ludicrous to believe they would withhold anything of such nature.

Factoid... The moon is a quasi Catholic place of worship.

The very first thing Buzz Aldrin did on the moon was have communion.

If they had spaceship service manuals the Church wouldn't have waited for Appolo 11.

k, so you're saying that the Vatican doesn't have treasures that are unreported? And your assumption is cause the catholic church is honest or cause they don't have a space service manual?

What has a spaceship service manual got to do with unknown treasures?
 
petros
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What do you think they are hiding?
 
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