Is THIS the birthplace of Henry VII?

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He was one of the most famous kings of England, known for founding the Tudor dynasty.

But until now, little has been known about the specific location of Henry VII's birth in 1457.

Now, a new geophysical survey suggests that he may have been born in an outer ward in the late-medieval Pembroke Castle in Wales.

Is THIS the birthplace of Henry VII? Hidden buildings at Pembroke Castle may reveal where the King was born

In 2013, aerial photos showed possible buildings beneath the surface
Now, a geological survey has confirmed an outer building at the castle
The building site is invisible to the naked eye, but researcher believe it could have been where Henry VII was born in 1457

By Shivali Best For Mailonline
1 December 2016

He was one of the most famous kings of England, known for founding the Tudor dynasty.

But until now, little has been known about the specific location of Henry VII's birth in 1457.

Now, a new geophysical survey suggests that he may have been born in an outer ward in the late-medieval Pembroke Castle in Wales.

A geophysical survey, along with aerial images, suggests that Henry VII may have been born in an outer ward in the late-medieval Pembroke Castle in Wales

While Pembroke Castle is one of the largest and most prestigious castles in the UK, its internal arrangements are surprisingly little-known.

In 2013, researchers from the Dyfed Archaeology Trust, funded by the Castle Studies Trust, took aerial photographs that showed possible buildings beneath the surface at the castle.

A geological survey by the same team has now confirmed the outline of a late-medieval building in the outer ward, which could be where Henry VII was born.

The survey also revealed that up to three previously unknown buildings stood in the inner ward, as well as a well in the outer ward – features that are all invisible to the naked eye.

Pembroke Castle played a pivotal role through history, dating back to the 11th century when the Normans invaded Wales, through to the Civil War in the 17th century, when it was besieged by Oliver Cromwell.

In 2013, researchers took aerial photographs that showed possible buildings beneath the surface at the castle. A geological survey by the same team has now confirmed the outline of a late-medieval building in the outer ward, which could be where Henry VII was born

Some of the UK's best known barons were also residents at the castle, including Richard Strongbow, Earl of Pembroke and William Marhsal, the royal protector of Henry III.

In the 14th century it became a royal residence, and in 1456, Henry VII was born at the castle.

The survey also revealed that up to three previously unknown buildings stood in the inner ward, as well as a well in the outer ward – features that are all invisible to the naked eye

Henry was the last king of England to win his throne on the field of battle, when his forces defeated King Richard III at the Battle of Bosworth Field, the culmination of the Wars of the Roses.

Speaking to the BBC, Edward Impey, Castle Studies Trust patron, said: 'The survey work carried out by Dyfed Archaeological Trust has greatly advanced our understanding of Pembroke Castle, one of Wales' greatest but also least understood castles.'

Henry VII (above) was the last king of England to win his throne on the field of battle, when his forces defeated King Richard III at the Battle of Bosworth Field, the culmination of the Wars of the Rose

While Pembroke Castle is one of the largest and most prestigious castles in Wales, its internal arrangements are surprisingly little-known

PEMBROKE CASTLE

Pembroke Castle played a pivotal role through history, dating back to the 11th century when the Normans invaded Wales, through to the Civil War in the 17th century, when it was besieged by Oliver Cromwell.

Some of the UK's best known barons were also residents at the castle, including Richard Strongbow, Early of Pembroke and William Marhsal, the royal protector of Henry III.

In the 14th century it became a royal residence and in 1456, Henry VII was born at the castle.

Henry VII was the last king of England to win his throne on the field of battle, when his forces defeated King Richard III at the Battle of Bosworth Field, the culmination of the Wars of the Roses.

While Pembroke Castle is one of the largest and most prestigious castles in the UK, its internal arrangements are surprisingly little-known.

In 2013, researchers from the Dyfed Archaeology Trust, funded by the Castle Studies Trust, took aerial photographs that showed possible buildings beneath the surface at the castle.

A geological survey by the same team has now confirmed the outline of a late-medieval building in the outer ward, which could be where Henry VII was born.

The survey also revealed that up to three previously unknown buildings stood in the inner ward, as well as a well in the outer ward – features that are all invisible to the naked eye.


HENRY VII SPLASHED OUT £3 MILLION ON CLOTHES

Henry VII splashed out the equivalent of £3million on clothes because he felt so insecure on the throne, according to an expert on Tudor history.

Tracy Borman said the first Tudor king was a very big spender, despite the modern perception he was a miser.

Miss Borman, curator at Historic Royal Palaces, said that after defeating Richard III at the Battle of Bosworth in 1485, Henry went on a spending spree.

'He probably spent more than any other Tudor,' she said of the father of Henry VIII. 'In the first two years of his reign he spent [the equivalent of] £3million on his dress.'


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Hmmm.. he started something of a dead end tributary of the royal line. His son was Henry VIII, the great tyrant who looted and destroyed the monastaries, set up the apostate Church of England as a political expediency..and became increasingly erratic, paranoid and murderous up to his death.

And his daughter Elizabeth, with her spymaster Francis Walsingham, who reigned over one the great persecution of Catholics in history, by butchery and terror. She died without issue and that was the end of the Tudors.

One could say Henry VII's genetic print continued on through Elizabeth's heir, James I, son of Mary Stuart (who Elizabeth slaughtered).. who was the great grand daughter of Henry VII. Such a happy family the British Royals.

 

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He did start up the Royal Navy, which must now be the oldest, continuous military body on Earth.

 

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He did start up the Royal Navy, which must now be the oldest, continuous military body on Earth.

Here are some candidates for that honour:

• the Royal Militia of the Island of Jersey claims a foundation date of 1337, when Edward III ordered the levy of a militia of "all men capable of bearing arm" (disbanded during 1946–1987),
• the English Yeomen of the Guard (established in 1485), who, however, hold a purely ceremonial function;[1]
• the 1st Infantry Regiment of the French army was formed in the French Revolution drawing from an older regiment tracing its origin to the bandes de Picardie established in 1479;
• the Papal Swiss Guard, established in 1506 (disbanded during 1527–1548 ;
• the Spanish 1st King's Immemorial Infantry Regiment of AHQ and Regimiento de Infantería Ligera Soria n.º 9 claim descent from early 16th-century tercio infantry (disbanded in the Spanish Civil War);
• the Swedish Life Guards, established 1521;
• the Spanish Navy Marines, established 1537
• the English Honourable Artillery Company, established 1537
• the English Royal Monmouthshire Royal Engineers, established 1539.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_military_units_and_formations_in_continuous_operation

Hmmm.. he started something of a dead end tributary of the royal line. His son was Henry VIII, the great tyrant who looted and destroyed the monastaries, set up the apostate Church of England as a political expediency..and became increasingly erratic, paranoid and murderous up to his death.

He closed down the monasteries because they had become dens of sexual debauchery and gambling. They were corrupt, immoral institutions, so Henry closed them down.

And his daughter Elizabeth, with her spymaster Francis Walsingham, who reigned over one the great persecution of Catholics in history, by butchery and terror. She died without issue and that was the end of the Tudors.

Elizabeth I's "persecution" of Catholics was nothing compared to the persecution of Protestants under her half-sister and predecessor Mary I.

One could say Henry VII's genetic print continued on through Elizabeth's heir, James I,

Yep. James VI (of Scotland) and I (of England) was the great-great-grandson of Henry VII.

son of Mary Stuart (who Elizabeth slaughtered)..

Reluctantly (she didn't want to execute her first cousin once removed) and because Mary was plotting to oust Elizabeth and take her throne.

 

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He closed down the monasteries because they had become dens of sexual debauchery and gambling. They were corrupt, immoral institutions, so Henry closed them down.

Lutheran propaganda. The Benedictine.. Carmelite, Trappist monastaries were places of prayer and ascetic contemplation. Most were self sustaining working farms or scriptoriums. Henry raided and slandered them for loot, land and power.

Elizabeth I's "persecution" of Catholics was nothing compared to the persecution of Protestants under her half-sister and predecessor Mary I.

Mary's prosecutions were largely isolated to radical Protestant persecutors and high episcopal figures who were instrumental in imposing a reign of terror on England, as a means of completely eradicating Roman Catholicism and 'Popish' influences at the behest of Henry VIII. Elizabeth's own Terror lasted decades and was aimed at simple priests, parishioners and their protectors.. who were subject to torture and gizzly deaths.. if they did not renounce their faith.

Reluctantly (she didn't want to execute her first cousin once removed) and because Mary was plotting to oust Elizabeth and take her throne.

Elizabeth was utterly ruthless, and as paranoid as her father of suspected 'plots'. Mary Stewart was at worst a pawn for Elizabeth's political foes, and at best completely innocent of the 'crimes' that were trumped up against her. She was Catholic and had a direct claim on the throne, that was all that was needed to doom her.

 

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Lutheran propaganda. The Benedictine.. Carmelite, Trappist monastaries were places of prayer and ascetic contemplation. Most were self sustaining working farms or scriptoriums. Henry raided and slandered them for loot, land and power.

When these religious houses were established, it was with the intention of worshipping God and, because of that, the monks originally lived lives of piety, chastity and poverty. As the centuries passed, though, these high ideals had lapsed in many monasteries and the monks were living lives of luxury and sexual debauchery.

The Act of Supremacy had given Henry the right to send inspectors to the monasteries, abbeys and convents (the Visitation of the Monasteries) to ensure that they were following the new rules of the English Protestant Church. This was overseen by Thomas Cromwell, one of the King's closest advisers.

While the inspectors were in the religious houses they carried out their main task: making an inventory and valuation of assets. Within six months the inspectors produced the Valor Ecclesiasticus, a detailed list of assets. They also had evidence of corruption and debauchery in the country's monasteries, including oppression of the poor, charging their tenants very high rents, running up huge debts to finance their lifestyle, and, last but not least, sexual immorality of all kinds.

Mary's prosecutions were largely isolated to radical Protestant persecutors and high episcopal figures who were instrumental in imposing a reign of terror on England, as a means of completely eradicating Roman Catholicism and 'Popish' influences at the behest of Henry VIII. Elizabeth's own Terror lasted decades and was aimed at simple priests, parishioners and their protectors.. who were subject to torture and gizzly deaths.. if they did not renounce their faith.

No. It's the other way around. Elizabeth tried to tolerate Catholics and she tried to tolerate them despite the mass persecutions of Protestants under the reign of her half-sister and predecessor Mary I. It was the Catholics, through their actions, who brought it all on themselves and made Elizabeth extremely suspicious of them.

Elizabeth tolerated Catholicism. If the Catholics were loyal to the Queen and discreet in their worship, she would tolerate them. Many Catholic gentry held important positions in local government. For years she allowed Catholics to be Catholics.

Despite her tolerance, this did not stop Catholics plotting against her. There was the Revolt of the Earls in northern England, led by Thomas, Earl of Northumberland and Charles, Earl of Westmorland. This failed. But in 1570 a Papal Bull was issued that severely criticised Elizabeth as a usurper of the throne; she was referred to as “wicked” and a “heretic” in the Bull. It sanctioned the right of Catholics to “deprive her of her throne”.

After the issuing of the Papal Bull, Elizabeth now viewed the Catholics as a major threat. This was compounded when Jesuits started to arrive in England with the sole purpose of expanding Catholicism in the land. The tolerance that Elizabeth had shown in the early years of her reign disappeared. William Cecil, Lord Burghley, advised execution for those who refused to pay allegiance to the Queen. Cecil emphasised that their executions would be based not on their beliefs but solely on their refusal to accept Elizabeth as Queen.

So Elizabeth did not persecute Catholics merely for their beliefs. It was the actions of Catholics themselves, in plotting against a Queen who originally tolerated them, that caused the Queen to view them with suspicion and have arrested and executed those Catholics plotting against her.

However, Mary I did NOT just target those Protestants who were plotting against her. She targetted Protestant for merely following their beliefs, including Hugh Latimer, who was burnt at the stake in 1555 for Protestant teachings and calling for the Bible to be translated into English.

Elizabeth was utterly ruthless, and as paranoid as her father of suspected 'plots'.

There was nothing paranoid about Elizabeth. Most of the plots were real, such as the plost to replace her with the Catholic Mary, Queen of Scots. The 1583 Throgmorton Plot and the 1586 Babington Plot attempted to assassinate Elizabeth and replace her with Mary, Queen of Scots.

Mary Stewart was at worst a pawn for Elizabeth's political foes, and at best completely innocent of the 'crimes' that were trumped up against her. She was Catholic and had a direct claim on the throne, that was all that was needed to doom her.

During her reign, which only lasted five years, Mary was responsible for the executions of almost 300 Protestants and not merely for plotting against her, but just simply for following their beliefs.

In 1554, with the support of the Pope, she revived the Heresy Acts, which gave her the green light to persecute Protestants.