Iran wants to use nuclear weapon, Harper says


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Iran wants to use nuclear weapon, Harper says

Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the escalating standoff between Iran and the West the greatest threat to world peace.

The prime minister offered that assessment of the growing tensions in the Persian Gulf during an interview Thursday on an Alberta radio program.

"Your listeners should be under no illusion, Iran is a very serious threat to international peace and security. In my judgment, it is the world's most serious threat to international peace and security," Harper said during an appearance on the Rutherford Show, an Alberta-wide radio call-in program.

Harper also said he has no doubt Iran wants a nuclear weapon and would be prepared to use one.

"This is a regime that wants to acquire nuclear weapons ... and has indicated some desire to actually use nuclear weapons," he said. Harper's remark about Iran expressing a desire to use a nuclear weapon appears to fly in the face of the facts, said one expert.

"I think it would be an overstatement. To all intents and purposes, it looks like they're trying to acquire a nuclear weapons capability. But they have yet to cross the threshold," said Fen Hampson, director of the Norman Paterson School of International Affairs at Carleton University in Ottawa.

Iran maintains its nuclear program is meant solely for peaceful purposes, and has not admitted to pursing a weapon.


Still, the international community, Canada included, believes the main goal is to build a nuclear bomb.

Iran has threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz, a key global oil passage, in possible retaliation for new economic sanctions aimed at curbing its nuclear ambitions. Harper said the posturing over the Strait or Hormuz only underlines the degree to which Iran is "a serious threat."

Hampson agreed that is a serious issue. "They (Iran) have been firing test missiles, and the United States is redeploying its Fifth Fleet to send a strong message to Iran," he said. "The real danger in this kind of a situation is military activities — test firing of missiles and so forth — escalate. There's a miscalculation on one side, and it could well be the Iranians that take you into a real crisis."

Harper said Canada continues to work with its allies in imposing sanctions, and he said he believes they are having an impact. "That's why the regime is lashing out from time to time."

Harper said Russia and China, which have opposed the censure of Iran for its nuclear program, have joined the international community and "appreciate that this is a serious threat."

"I think the problem is there's not a consensus about what to do about it precisely," Harper said.

On the Middle East's other flash point, Syria, Harper reiterated his government's desire to see President Bashar Assad step down.

The United Nations estimates 5,000 people have been killed in the anti-Assad uprising that began last winter. "The violent repression is disgraceful, it's unacceptable and I don't think it's going to be successful over time."

Harper ruled out any international military intervention similar to the UN-sanctioned, NATO-led mission that supported the overthrow of Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi last year.

He said the Libya mission had the backing of the UN Security Council.

"That has not been forthcoming in this case," Harper noted, "and my own read of the situation is that Canada's principal allies would not be prepared to go to a military option in this case without such a resolution."


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And the price of oil goes up some more.Harpers judgment,ha,hey look at me,I'm saying something,that dufuss don't know arsehole from a cord of soggy slabs.
 
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And the price of oil goes up some more.Harpers judgment,ha,hey look at me,I'm saying something,that dufuss don't know arsehole from a cord of soggy slabs.

I think he is trying to regain some ground he lost with his stupid decision to purchase on the F35. Just trying to justify the unjustifiable.
 
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No matter how hard he tried even if he grew his hair, a beard, wore a leather vest, jeans, got a few tatts and a pair of Daytons he still wouldn't look or sound tough.
 
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No matter how hard he tried even if he grew his hair, a beard, wore a leather vest, jeans, got a few tatts and a pair of Daytons he still wouldn't look or sound tough.

Yup! He's a number crunching geek, biker wannabe.

I loved that cowboy outfit he had on a while back. He'd probably faint is he got close to a horse.
 
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"The International Community" Mr Harpie knows who's boots to lick. Doncha just love a servile leader. Little kids should spit on him.
 
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"Iran wants to use nuclear weapon, Harper says

Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the escalating standoff between Iran and the West the greatest threat to world peace."

I disagree. I think it's a threat to Israel and peace in the ME. lol
The biggest threat like this to world peace, IMO, is that new dingbat in North Korea. I bet the nutjob would toss a nuke at China or the US on the slightest of whims.
 
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My pappy used to say, "What the boss says ain't necessarily so!"
 
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The United States probably used Small nukes in Iraq. At least 5 times is my guesstimate. If they did you think they would tell them or us?
I bet the western powers use Nukes more often then we think.
 
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Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the escalating standoff between Iran and the West the greatest threat to world peace."

The west's attitude of "Bend to our will or we will cut your balls off" is the greatest threat to world peace.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by AngstromView Post

The United States probably used Small nukes in Iraq. At least 5 times is my guesstimate. If they did you think they would tell them or us?
I bet the western powers use Nukes more often then we think.

Any proof on this????
 
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Any proof on this????

Just a few videos online. Nothing that would stand in a court of law.
One video was from a doctor looking for depleted Uranium in children lungs
And he was reporting that he was finding Enriched Uranium.

This was from areas in Iraq heavily bombed by the USA.

We aren't sending our doctors in there to find out if our governments are nuking them so will never know for sure.
Isn't that rather convenient?

If we could prove that we used Nukes do you think they would use them? We are the most educated people on earth but we have 0 common sense.
 
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The United States probably used Small nukes in Iraq. At least 5 times is my guesstimate. If they did you think they would tell them or us?
I bet the western powers use Nukes more often then we think.

Think more often, no one can set off a nuke (even a small one) today without it being picked up by somebody. We went through this depleted Uranium thing, yes tanks and A-10's use depleted Uranium shells during the 1st Iraq war. It was stopped when it was found out that they might cause harm other than what they were intended to do.
 
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Remember all the talking heads that warned us about the Weapons of Mass Destruction
that didn't exist? Harper needs to have international headlines and photo ops, ego pumped
people usually do. When you buy all that extra military hardware you have to have a
reason to justify using it. Make no mistake, I agreed the military needed some updates
badly but this is out of control. Besides the bullet factories will be slowing down with the
war in Iraq ending and Harper needs to drum up some military business.
The prison issue is the next big thing as well, they will build several institutions and then
contract them out, and that will require filling them with petty criminals, to garner enough
business. All in a days distortion for Harper. he is proving to be less truthful than lyin'
Brian
 
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I like how posted this in the fun and jokes section. Nice touch.
 
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Harper should not be allowed to use sharp pointed scissors.............he still believes Bush and Cheney
 
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The prison issue is the next big thing as well, they will build several institutions and then
contract them out, and that will require filling them with petty criminals, to garner enough
business. All in a days distortion for Harper. he is proving to be less truthful than lyin'
Brian

The Canadian gulag
"One Day in the Life of... "
 
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I like how posted this in the fun and jokes section. Nice touch.

It's important that we be accurate about these things.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Iran wants to use nuclear weapon, Harper says

Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the escalating standoff between Iran and the West the greatest threat to world peace.

The prime minister offered that assessment of the growing tensions in the Persian Gulf during an interview Thursday on an Alberta radio program.

"Your listeners should be under no illusion, Iran is a very serious threat to international peace and security. In my judgment, it is the world's most serious threat to international peace and security," Harper said during an appearance on the Rutherford Show, an Alberta-wide radio call-in program.

Harper also said he has no doubt Iran wants a nuclear weapon and would be prepared to use one.

"This is a regime that wants to acquire nuclear weapons ... and has indicated some desire to actually use nuclear weapons," he said. Harper's remark about Iran expressing a desire to use a nuclear weapon appears to fly in the face of the facts, said one expert.

"I think it would be an overstatement. To all intents and purposes, it looks like they're trying to acquire a nuclear weapons capability. But they have yet to cross the threshold," said Fen Hampson, director of the Norman Paterson School of International Affairs at Carleton University in Ottawa.

Iran maintains its nuclear program is meant solely for peaceful purposes, and has not admitted to pursing a weapon.

Still, the international community, Canada included, believes the main goal is to build a nuclear bomb.

Iran has threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz, a key global oil passage, in possible retaliation for new economic sanctions aimed at curbing its nuclear ambitions. Harper said the posturing over the Strait or Hormuz only underlines the degree to which Iran is "a serious threat."

Hampson agreed that is a serious issue. "They (Iran) have been firing test missiles, and the United States is redeploying its Fifth Fleet to send a strong message to Iran," he said. "The real danger in this kind of a situation is military activities — test firing of missiles and so forth — escalate. There's a miscalculation on one side, and it could well be the Iranians that take you into a real crisis."

Harper said Canada continues to work with its allies in imposing sanctions, and he said he believes they are having an impact. "That's why the regime is lashing out from time to time."

Harper said Russia and China, which have opposed the censure of Iran for its nuclear program, have joined the international community and "appreciate that this is a serious threat."

"I think the problem is there's not a consensus about what to do about it precisely," Harper said.

On the Middle East's other flash point, Syria, Harper reiterated his government's desire to see President Bashar Assad step down.

The United Nations estimates 5,000 people have been killed in the anti-Assad uprising that began last winter. "The violent repression is disgraceful, it's unacceptable and I don't think it's going to be successful over time."

Harper ruled out any international military intervention similar to the UN-sanctioned, NATO-led mission that supported the overthrow of Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi last year.

He said the Libya mission had the backing of the UN Security Council.

"That has not been forthcoming in this case," Harper noted, "and my own read of the situation is that Canada's principal allies would not be prepared to go to a military option in this case without such a resolution."


Iran wants to use nuclear weapon, Harper says - Politics - CBC News

Iran might want to acquire a nuclear weapon, and it would appear increasingly the international community is of that opinion in light of the fact.

However, to go from that to 'Iran wants to use nuclear weapons" is about equal to "Iraq has WMD's", making things up as we go along. Haper should show a little more professionalism and stick to facts.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

It's important that we be accurate about these things.

This subsection, being an excellent repository for propaganda.

Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

However, to go from that to 'Iran wants to use nuclear weapons" is about equal to "Iraq has WMD's", making things up as we go along. Haper should show a little more professionalism and stick to facts.

Facts like Iran`s leader has stated clearly that he wants to wipe Israel off the map, and the international community doesn't believe Iran's claims of why and what they are seeking?
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

This subsection, being an excellent repository for propaganda.


Facts like Iran`s leader has stated clearly that he wants to wipe Israel off the map, and the international community doesn't believe Iran's claims of why and what they are seeking?

Increasing evidence suggests Iran wants to acquire nuclear weapons. Plenty of evidence suggests baha'is are severely persecuted in Iran. And of course we can go on with such facts.

As for Ahmadinejad saying he wanted to wipe Israel off the map, that can be interpreted in various ways, and not necessarily nuclear. For example, it might simply have met literally eliminating Israel as a state on the map. Could a nuclear strike be one way of doing that? Yes. However, it's also possible he was merely expressing an emotion with no clear idea of a specific plan of action.

I'm not disagreeing though that iran may be the, or at least one of the most dangerous states out there. But there is still no clear evidence of intent to use nuclear weapons in the near future so the PM should still stick to facts.
 
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But there is still no clear evidence of intent to use nuclear weapons in the near future so the PM should still stick to facts.

One of my last criminal charges, was for assault. The scenario went like this...

"I'm going to kick your f!cking ass Bear! Matty, get my bat."

Wack.

I didn't think waiting to see if he was going to ask me to play baseball with him was a good idea, before I knocked him out. The Judge agreed.

I think Harper is sticking to the facts.
 
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There won't be any clear evidence that Iran wants to use a bomb until it happens, then it is to late. Iran is still chasing Kurds down and killing them also.
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Haper should show a little more professionalism and stick to facts.

'Harper's Gov' only read scripts, they (the current Govt of Canada)don't have permission to check them out to see if they are facts. As to who writes the scripts your guess is as good as mine. I could handle a system that allowed me to vote on issues after having read a certain amount of information to verify I have the facts. If that right was tied into our pension voters from 18 yrs and up could be enticed to be active in politics throughout their life and get a few coins for their trouble. (current pension scheme is dated to a time of traveling through hostile territory for weeks just to get to the office. Today that travel could be done by using a password from a computer in your home. Your public day would start when you went outside and encountered any protesters with pickets and a question. on a good year there wouldn't be any that would require getting up early just to be sure of being heard.
The argument I would use the 1867BNA Act that made it a requirement that Joe Taxpayer vote himself on issues that involved the Constitution starting with that document. That's was fine for the changes that needed to be done for 10 Sovereign Provinces to be able to change their Constitutions so they would be united under the name of 1 country. For Canada to vote at the UN (for instance) I would rather seer a Taxpayer have the right to do his own voting on the issue such as 'should we support 'xxxxx' invasion?' and that vote would actually show up as being a 'yea' or 'nay' from Canada. Not such a big deal until you apply that same right to the citizens of the US and how they currently vote on things or influence what things come up for discussion. If 50M people in the US cast a vote that was tied into their tax account then that should be a good cross-section of society right back to high-school and you getting a SIN number. Voting on issues (that you did not how you voted) from then until you no longer paid taxes (income) would help determine how much you got as a civil servants pension. Hate to repeat myself by to get citizens involved you have to give them a carrot, in this case money in their pocket and a 'small say' in how the country interacts with itself and on an international stage where it's citizens are well informed about worldly events and their voice (collective voices) can determine foreign policy better than some smuck sent to the UN to deliver some sort of speech/determination that is Representative of the will of the American people when it really represents the will of 10,000 greedy bankers.
Getting the people informed would change the viewing habits of just about everybody but the water-cooler and any other line-up would be a good place 'to get the latest' as you sit in a texting lane
 
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Israel and Iran were once allies. What happened?
 
CDNBear
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What happened?

Sh!t. It happens.
 
petros
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Lots of sh!t happened.
 
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There won't be any clear evidence that Iran wants to use a bomb until it happens, then it is to late. Iran is still chasing Kurds down and killing them also.
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So does Turkey when they are involved with bombing places in Turkey so what's your point? Running back across the border and expecting safety is an American dream, after all, look at the lengths America goes to get the ones who 'bombed' them inside their own country.

Let Iran develop all the things she desire to when she first made the application to the UN to have nuclear power. Give them the ways and means to fulfill the ones that don't say 'nuclear bomb' and see where it goes. If that power leads to a vibrant economy that is self sustaining and productive on an international level in that she has exports that are balanced with imports that have a positive outcome for those living there. A high tourism rate shows the world is generally comfortable with her activities as far as treatment of locals and foreigners goes. That is the acid test rather than having the US Gov run the show when they have a grudge that is still festering some 3 decades later. Sooner or later they have to wipe away the tears and move on.

 
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Should the UN resolve to attack Iran, I'd be all for it. Short of that though, I'd be against it on the principle that unless we have the full support of the international comunity, you end up with few countries supporting the whole war in men and money, which is expensive. Also, partial sanctions or a war with much opposition faced from the beginning is far less likely to succeed.

But yes, should the UN resolve to attack iran, I'd support Canada upholding such a resolution. Short of that, no.
 
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Lots of sh!t happened.

I agree, the Ayatollah was a lot of sh!t. But Flowers lose their peddles.
 

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