Conservatives at 41% - majority territory

March 29th, 2007, 05:34 PM

You know, you would sound a whole lot more sincere if you weren't painting people with a stereotypical brush. Needless to say, just because you're of one political ideology or another doesn't make you either a welfare bum or a self-made success. Things like this, and talking about areas of the country having "pockets of common sense" show you to be little more than an insulting propagandic machine and makes you come across as an arrogant idiot that knows better than more than 59% of the country (all those who aren't Conservatives must be on the left side of the political spectrum, after all); it's doing nothing but killing what would otherwise be some valid points you raise.

Likewise, if dredging up arguments from 15 years ago (and 3 majority and 2 minority governments ago) to justify why a party should be vilified as "corrupt and bankrupt" is not only practiced, but revered, then you would be nothing more than a hypocrit. You're practicing the methods of Conservative politicians, who, like I said earlier, cannot make a statement without mentioning the Liberals; for a governing party that was supposed to centre around "common sense" and bringing dignity back to government, it's quite sad.

March 29th, 2007, 05:49 PM

Actually, I did not comment on this. Yet I think Harper will be accountable if he had a majority not to send troops in since the money already spent on miltary hardware is useless and would put our soilders in harms way.

Welfare at $100K a year, rofl.. Conservatives are doing that already, for corporations and its in the billions. As for general welfare, I support 15000 K a year with job placement. Let welfare pay for itself, through contract work.

As for my lifestyle, a beer and a bag of popcorn is great.


Still whining that the liberals are corrupt. They are less corrupt then the conservatives. You never know Harper may win the next election with his hand in the pockets of the poor and handing out silver corporate welfare. Its better then a Dion Majority government.

March 29th, 2007, 05:50 PM


I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on this Wheat Board stuff, Bit.....I think I understand what your saying, but I'm not 100% sure because I haven't been keeping up with the issue.


Harper is expected to just scrap the Board from my understanding. Living in Ontario we don't have such silly things as a wheat board, so the issue isn't on my radar to often.

March 29th, 2007, 05:51 PM

Harper tabled a motion in the House of Commons in 2003 to back the U.S. in Iraq.

He of course won't do it now because he knows he was wrong.

Not sure about the next invented threat by the U.S. as Harper seems quick to jump on the American disater wagon.

Iraq is the primary reason I won't vote for the cons.

March 29th, 2007, 05:55 PM

You mean besides the fact your a hardened NDPer....

March 29th, 2007, 06:16 PM

The Tories are climbing!!

Even 44% in their "weak spot" Ontario.

Canadians know that the Liberals lied about Harper putting men, with guns, in our cities.

He has had a good year of minority government, no screw ups, and the Liberals are in a mess with their dork of a leader Dion. If the Liberals wanted to rebrand their corrupt image in Canada, they would not be getting someone who was associated with Chretien!!

And FYI: Population in the Maritimes is stagnant and their is only so many seats out there anyways.

Quebec, hasn't quite shifted, but has made a statement about their politics. Quebec is a divided "nation within a nation". You could count on Quebec being Liberal/Bloc a 5 years ago, but Quebec is in a culture war and a big divide. They have made a shift right with the ADQ, and the Conservatives are on par (1% above) the Liberals in that province. Tories could never count on Quebec for a vote, but now things have changed, so don't anyone cast Quebec in with LPoC. Maybe Montreal, but not the entire province.

And many seats will be added to the west next election, Alberta is having a huge rush of population, and look how they swing - 100% Tory Blue. So Alberta is growing and thats growth for the Conservatives.

BC is growing too, and outside of the Lower Mainland it is a Conservative province.

Why can people not admit the majority of people in this country prefer the Conservatives over any other party.

Hardcore liberals, like many in this thread, cannot come to the realization that the Conservatives can be effective, popular, and win a majority.

I would have been Liberal in the 90s, but after all the chaos with Sponsership Scandal, and the Liberals corruptness shines through, I will never bring myself to ever vote Liberal again, unless things change drastically.. to which I would vote independent, lol.

And why are people saying "O just wait and see what he does if hes in a majority."

Thats the same retrick we have been hearing all along: LAST ELECTION: "Harper has a hidden agenda don't let him in power!"

He has a good minority government and the Liberals once again will say this election: "SURE, Harper put on a mask during his minority government, but don't give him the chance to reveal his hidden agenda in a majority government."

Thats all you Liberals can say!! Conservatives = evil. What will you say when we have a good period of time under a Conservative majority?

"oh, oh, hes just, um..."

Give it up, this nation is fed up with the LPoC, and slowly BUT SURELY this nation is making a tilt to the right, and guess what people, the right isn't as evil as the left will make them out to be.

March 29th, 2007, 06:24 PM

My friend, that's not a "retrick", that's the only trick, as in one trick pony. That's all they got, so they'll be beating that dead horse till the votes are tallied.

March 29th, 2007, 06:31 PM

not scrap it. change it. its the best he could contrive out of the farmers. it'll eventually tank by design. On our nickel no less.

Strahl has ordered the Wheat Board to put together a business plan defining operations in a dual marketing system. Not two-tiered. Dual. From a man who's party is supposed to represent minimal government.

heh

and so far the opposition is so seriously asleep at the wheel nobody's told Harper the farmers had better find a different angel. currently the Wheat Board contracts are guaranteed by the Treasury Board. In a dual marketing system, that's a very perverse form of fascism. The irony is its only a matter of time before the incoming oligarchy invokes Chapter 11 of NAFTA to put a stop to it.

March 29th, 2007, 06:36 PM

Because even at their new peak of phone-based questionaire popularity, 41% is not a majority. It's called basic math. 100% is the entire population; and 50% +1 would be a majority of people. Thus a majority of people do not prefer Conservatives. In fact, even at those numbers, 59% of people polled do not prefer the Conservatives; they prefer the left wing parties in all of their different suits.

March 29th, 2007, 06:46 PM

Why is it so hard to believe that Harper is only playing moderate because he has a minority? We all know the real Stephen Harper, from his days at the NCC & Reform/Alliance parties. We all know his true feelings on healthcare, Iraq, and many other issues. He has been a hard-right Conservative for many years, and all of a sudden, in the last few years he has changed and become a moderate? Riiiiiight, that's about as likely as Chretien turning into an honest man

March 29th, 2007, 06:49 PM

A man can have his personal beliefs and rule a country on them.

Or a even greater man can have his personal beliefs, and run a country to the most neutral advantage between the 2 pulling forces.

I think Harper can be the latter one.

March 29th, 2007, 06:52 PM

How about as likely as Scott Brison being a Tory, oops I mean Liberal???

I know what you're saying and I agree completely, I'm just hoping his first budget with a majority will reflect his roots.

March 29th, 2007, 06:58 PM

People obviously embrace and accept Harper's "scary, far right" side? eh?

And what I meant was Harper has the most support by a wide margin over all other parties.

I guess 64% of the nation was against Chretien when he got his majority.

Runs both ways snowles, runs both ways.

March 29th, 2007, 07:14 PM

You may very well be correct...but I think many Canadians are not willing to take that chance. I don't blame them.

March 29th, 2007, 07:19 PM

Well, considering the right has no party splitting it, my comparison still stands as valid. You're trying to compare the two when they have little in common.

Chretien won 3 majorities, and never had the 36% support you're talking about. They did win a majority in 1997 with 38.5% (though they increased it after that), so I suppose that 61.5% were against the governing party. However, if you want to break down the left/right comparison crap like I did earlier (and you are trying to compare though it has little to do with the original argument), only 34% voted for right wing parties in 1993, 29% in 1997, and 37% in 2000, which echoes what I said earlier. Nary a majority to be found there.

Slice it any way you want, but despite what you think, the numbers say that left wing ideology is very much alive - even in today's politics where we fellate the Conservatives - and has still constitutes the majority of the popular opinion, onwards from the crumbling days of the Mulroney empire.

March 29th, 2007, 07:33 PM

Imagine if it were a two party mainstream in Canada like it is in the States....

March 29th, 2007, 07:42 PM

That's the biggest reason why I don't want a Conservative majority, especially a dynasty like Chretien. The last thing Canadian politics needs is the left uniting and turning into a two-party race. We are so polarized already, and it would do nothing but harm.

It sure would be nice to see the actual PC Conservatives to grow a set and set themselves apart from this lame duck version of 'Tory' Conservatism. Despite your political stripe, uniting the right really took a lot of voices out of power.

March 29th, 2007, 07:45 PM

please

compromise is one thing

record spending from a Conservative is another.