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March 29th, 2007, 04:09 PM

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Empty anger??

Believe me. There are plenty of things that anger me about the Liberal party of Canada.

I could start a list, but I would be typing for about a week and half.
Sounds about right, accept you will be a week and half behind the conservatives and they have only been in power one year.
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March 29th, 2007, 04:12 PM

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I see, do you have any links for this claim?

I'd like to read them.
Not everything in the known world fits on to a web page. Go figure out what FA Hayek would say about Harper setting up a competitive government business where there's no natural monopoly and take it from there. For my part suffice it to say that Strahl's vision for the Wheat Board couldn't be further from classical liberalism if you put an il Duce T-shirt on it.
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March 29th, 2007, 04:15 PM

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I have to say, the last half a year or so the Conservatives have looked awfully Liberal to me, in regards to their free spendings, their sudden focus on the environment, and pandering to the other left wing parties to gain support for motions to pass. I'm surprised that many of the staunch Conservative supporters are in favour of this style of 'right-wing party doing left-wing actions', because they sure weren't supporting it when the same actions were being done by the party across the floor. But I guess if your party's name is at the top, that's good enough."
I think conservatives do not realize that they are walking around with knives in their back. Quebec knives that is.

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While I have been in favour of some of the actions taken by this government, they have also come across as smug, arrogant and quite babyish in their interviews and in the HoC debates, and it's a real turn-off; I can't remember the last time I heard a Harper, Baird, Ambrose, etc. quote without the words "but the Liberals" or "compared to the Liberals" being used to justify whatever the government is doing at the current time. We get it, and you know what, we don't care anymore; it's old news. I want to see you lead and move the country forward, not listen to you drone on with a skewed history lesson from 13 years ago. Until this party starts acting like they're in government, and not playing the same tune they did while in opposition (which comes across as quite sad on both the national and the international stage), they won't be seeing my vote.
I agree, the conservatives need to be bottle fed right now, yet babys grow. The only way they will trully grow as a government is too clean up their government, starting with Emerson, Baird, and Day.
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March 29th, 2007, 04:38 PM

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If an election was called today it would be a liberal minority!
Keep drinking that kool aid. It would be pretty tough for the Liberals to win an election with 22% support.
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March 29th, 2007, 04:41 PM

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I agree, the conservatives need to be bottle fed right now, yet babys grow. The only way they will trully grow as a government is too clean up their government, starting with Emerson, Baird, and Day.
The Liberals were booted from power to clean up their act. But all they did was vote in another lawyer from Quebec with ties to Chretien and Martin.

Nice job. Have fun looking across the floor at the government. You'll be looking for a long time.
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March 29th, 2007, 04:42 PM

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Actually, it was the other way around. As the Liberals downloaded costs to Ontario, he was forced to do the same. The Feds paid 50 cents of every healthcare dollar into Ontario before Cretin and Martin. 2 years later the 50 cents became 17 cents.

The Liberals never returned any money back to the provinces. Are you going to claim just as the Liberals do that the fiscal imbalance is a myth?
Forced to do the same eh? So if they were forced to why weren't the Libs who faced a huge deficit like Ontario, you can't claim one was right while the other wasn't.

Health care transfers were increased after the books were balanced.

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Yes of course. It's easy to prophesize the future oh great one. Just like if we give the Liberals another majority they will take the rest of our tax dollars instead of just skimming.
It's easy to ask for some sort of proof.

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I give credit, where credit is due. The Liberals did do some things right. Mostly Martin (as finance minister), less so Chretien. Hell I voted Liberal my whole life up until the red book fiasco.
See, now was that so hard?


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Still hanging on to the hidden agenda boogey man I see? Boo!!
No, never did, but I'm not foolish enough to assume that the new Liberal Harper isn't abandoning everything he believes trying to get full power for nothing.

I'll wait and see instead, it could be wrong, it could be right.
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March 29th, 2007, 04:43 PM

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Not everything in the known world fits on to a web page. Go figure out what FA Hayek would say about Harper setting up a competitive government business where there's no natural monopoly and take it from there. For my part suffice it to say that Strahl's vision for the Wheat Board couldn't be further from classical liberalism if you put an il Duce T-shirt on it.
I see.....

You have no evidence to back up your claim.
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March 29th, 2007, 04:45 PM

what?

you really think Smith would consider it a good idea?

I'm assuming you can at least figure out why Marx would blackball it.
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March 29th, 2007, 04:47 PM

I was asking for something written about it and you provided nothing.

I'm not asking for much here.
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March 29th, 2007, 04:53 PM

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Forced to do the same eh? So if they were forced to why weren't the Libs who faced a huge deficit like Ontario, you can't claim one was right while the other wasn't.
Are we talking about the same defecit that was created by the accounting firm "hired" by the provincial Liberals? How convenient. I guess SARS, storms and a black out which shut down Ontario for 3 days could have nothing to do with it either.

All Mcguinty needed was a tax grab of $900 per Ontario resident for 4 straight years to balance that sucker out. $22 billion in extra revenue to balance a bogus 3.5 billion dollar defecit.

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It's easy to ask for some sort of proof.
I've provided the exact same amount of proof as you did. Thanks for proving my point.
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March 29th, 2007, 05:01 PM

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I'm not asking for much here.


only senseless pedantry. either you understand the horse Harper rode in on or you don't. I couldn't care less. if its that important to you I'll go back and edit my original statement by prefixing it with IMO even though it will be obviously redundant.
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March 29th, 2007, 05:05 PM

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Are we talking about the same defecit that was created by the accounting firm "hired" by the provincial Liberals? How convenient. I guess SARS, storms and a black out which shut down Ontario for 3 days could have nothing to do with it either.
No, I'm talking about the deficit the Tory's had when they took power from the NDP and the reccession.

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All Mcguinty needed was a tax grab of $900 per Ontario resident for 4 straight years to balance that sucker out. $22 billion in extra revenue to balance a bogus 3.5 billion dollar defecit.
Mcguinty is a doink and a liar.

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I've provided the exact same amount of proof as you did. Thanks for proving my point.
Proof of what, that Iraq didn't have WMD's, unmaned drones, mobile weapons factories, nuclear programs links to Al Queada, links to 9/11....all of it bs and the evidence was flimsy supporting any of it.

A proof is not a proof until it is proven, good thing Cretien knew this.
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March 29th, 2007, 05:07 PM

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only senseless pedantry. either you understand the horse Harper rode in on or you don't. I couldn't care less. if its that important to you I'll go back and edit my original statement by prefixing it with IMO even though it will be obviously redundant.
Then it's only you that believes this.

To bad, I was looking forward to reading about this sounds interesting but most fiction is.
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March 29th, 2007, 05:10 PM

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The Liberals never returned any money back to the provinces. Are you going to claim just as the Liberals do that the fiscal imbalance is a myth?
Please explain to me how giving money to provinces solves the fiscal imbalance. I thought the whole idea of the fiscal imbalance was getting to federal government OUT of issues that are provincial jurisdiction. How about not giving the provinces any money, and letting them raise taxes. The myth of the fiscal imbalance is nothing more than provincial governments wanting to pass the buck because they can't don't want to take the heat for raising taxes.
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March 29th, 2007, 05:10 PM

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Keep drinking that kool aid. It would be pretty tough for the Liberals to win an election with 22% support.
Your not in touch with your government. Some people get 100 bucks a month if they have kids. I Eat popcorn and drink beer while you work!
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March 29th, 2007, 05:12 PM

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The Liberals were booted from power to clean up their act. But all they did was vote in another lawyer from Quebec with ties to Chretien and Martin.

Nice job. Have fun looking across the floor at the government. You'll be looking for a long time.
I'm looking at another government that needs to be booted to clean up their act. At least the liberals are still in the house unlike the previous corrupt conservative government.
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March 29th, 2007, 05:22 PM

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Proof of what, that Iraq didn't have WMD's, unmaned drones, mobile weapons factories, nuclear programs links to Al Queada, links to 9/11....all of it bs and the evidence was flimsy supporting any of it.
I'm talking about the proof that Harper would send us into Iraq if he had a majority. It's pure speculation on your part and you know it.

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Your not in touch with your government. Some people get 100 bucks a month if they have kids. I Eat popcorn and drink beer while you work!
I'm not at all surprised. Drinking beer while others work to support your lifestyle is an exemplary trait of the leftists. I'm sure you would be all for welfare paying out $100K per year.

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I'm looking at another government that needs to be booted to clean up their act. At least the liberals are still in the house unlike the previous corrupt conservative government.
If dreaming of the good ol days of 20 years ago makes you feel better, go right ahead. The fact remains that the Liberals are a corrupt and bankrupt party that's sporting a leader that has a greater allegiance to the country of France than Canada. Good luck in the next election. lol
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March 29th, 2007, 05:27 PM

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The fact remains that the Liberals are a corrupt and bankrupt party that's sporting a leader that has a greater allegiance to the country of France than Canada. Good luck in the next election. lol
That line is almost as tired and lame as the hidden agenda line. Theres so much more you could say about Dion, but not that he has greater allegiance to France.
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