The Original Sin

MHz
#121
It's a seed bank for the start of the new earth. If man was destined to enter that place after knowing about good and evil then eating from the tree was always fully intended. The existence of the tree of life and it's healing fruit was meant to be the next event after eating, Adam and Eve jumped the gun.
 
55Mercury
#122

Ken Nordine - Original Sin - YouTube



I'm pretty sure megahootz poisoned the dog.
 
darkbeaver
#123
As the body is an extension of nature into the human system, this special form of pietism had to attack it there where its power over the spirit was most gripping. The devilish power of
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nature could not be tolerated in such close and dangerous access to the spirit. Great Pan was the deadly enemy. Nature had to be throttled at its source, rooted by original sin in the deepest nooks of manís constitution.
All this chaos in the religious area was attended, accentuated, if not largely inspired by, one of the most staggering phenomena in the history of the race. This was--and is--the presence, power, and influence of a--Book. This momentous tome appears to be a collection of ancient documents, of predominantly hagiographic nature, about which the tradition of their personal authorship by God himself, ostensibly using "holy men of old" as amanuenses for purposes of dictation, has tenaciously clung. It gained the name and renown of being the sole transmission of Godís wisdom in literary form to his children on earth. To all intents and purposes, it was regarded as Godís manual of instruction, knowledge, wisdom and truth. Under the power of such a persuasion, which spread to virtual universality in the West, this extraordinary volume gained a veritable homage and reverence that would not be erroneously described as the worship of a fetish.


Original sin of the soul was union and worship of the flesh (mater). The soul is considered defiled while in union with the material body.


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bluebyrd35
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#124
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Did you read any of the books by Sylvia Browne? A lot of detail about numerous incarnations, but I think she broke through the "bullsh*t barrier".

How true. There are always rotten apples to spoil any barrel. I place her right up there with the average Christian evangelist. Do as I say not as I do and send the cheque.

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Cliffy IS an intolerant bigot.


I don't read your posts so much.




"told them where she put the family treasures before she died".... lmao.


Yup.......I can imagine you doing the exact same thing, when you first heard about the moon landing. In your opinion is it God who is sending all those signals down from space to your TV, phone or pc as well??


You have my blessings, as far as not reading my posts. LOL.
 
EagleSmack
#125
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35View Post


Yup.......I can imagine you doing the exact same thing, when you first heard about the moon landing.

Doing what exactly?

I don't remember the first moon landing.

Quote:

In your opinion is it God who is sending all those signals down from space to your TV, phone or pc as well??

No, I do not believe that at all.

What other dumb questions do you have for me?
 
darkbeaver
#126
Original sin of the soul was union and worship of the flesh (mater). The soul is considered defiled while in union with the material body.

I have to add that while in the flesh or the sea (water) the soul is charged with attaining redemption, a higher state, and that until this is accomplished we remain in a state of sin as in (ain't it a sin we ain't in heaven), (ain't it a sin I don't have wings yet) (aint it a sin I still have to use doors) etc.
 
bluebyrd35
#127
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Doing what exactly?

I don't remember the first moon landing.



No, I do not believe that at all.

What other dumb questions do you have for me?

Geez, & here I hoped you would continue to not bother with my posts.....Oh well c'est la vie.


So, you have managed not become aware of one of the major events in your country's history or is that not what you implied? You might look up the footage on the internet or perhaps not, there are enough people around who think it was all fake anyway. I give you carte blanche to skip over all my posts, in fact I can return the favour and skip over yours as well LOL.
 
EagleSmack
#128
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35View Post

Geez, & here I hoped you would continue to not bother with my posts.....Oh well c'est la vie.


So, you have managed not become aware of one of the major events in your country's history or is that not what you implied? You might look up the footage on the internet or perhaps not, there are enough people around who think it was all fake anyway. I give you carte blanche to skip over all my posts, in fact I can return the favour and skip over yours as well LOL.

So what was I doing or supposed to be doing when I became old enough to be aware of the first moon landing?
 
SLM
+1
#129
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

So what was I doing or supposed to be doing when I became old enough to be aware of the first moon landing?

Well geez, just what were ya doing? I was one, so I was probably napping. What's your excuse?

Lol
 
EagleSmack
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#130
Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Well geez, just what were ya doing? I was one, so I was probably napping. What's your excuse?

Lol

I could have been taking a nap as well!
 
SLM
#131
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

I could have been taking a nap as well!

Story of my life there friend, slept through all the important stuff. Lol.


P.S. I don't feel like going back over 130 posts, what's the moon landing got to do with original sin anyway?
 
EagleSmack
#132
Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Story of my life there friend, slept through all the important stuff. Lol.


P.S. I don't feel like going back over 130 posts, what's the moon landing got to do with original sin anyway?

When I was about 4 or 5 years old I remember finishing off my older brother's coloring book about the first moon landing. Maybe that is when I became aware?

"Hey mom? What is this sh*t all about?"

Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

P.S. I don't feel like going back over 130 posts, what's the moon landing got to do with original sin anyway?

I'm trying to figure that out. Do you think she has a point?
 
Angstrom
#133
The original sin. That's the very first boggy man.

All other boggy men after that where not the original.
 
SLM
#134
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

When I was about 4 or 5 years old I remember finishing off my older brother's coloring book about the first moon landing. Maybe that is when I became aware?

"Hey mom? What is this sh*t all about?"

Lol. I don't remember exactly when either, I presume at some point in childhood someone told me it happened.

Quote:

I'm trying to figure that out. Do you think she has a point?

I don't know, this isn't the kind of thread I normally bother with, but it kept popping up at the top of the forum feed, lol, so I opened it.
 
MHz
#135
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35View Post

Yup.....Have to get people accustomed to the idea that if this Universe is the handiwork of an actual entity, that entity cannot possibly be as horrid as portrayed by the authors of our sacred books. OR perhaps, that entity just grew up and left it's toys just hanging about. (us)
.

The book is so vivid that most readers don't stick it out to where the good things start to happen. If they fold reading about it I would hold little hope that they would fare better when it is literally happening right before them.
 
bluebyrd35
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#136
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

The book is so vivid that most readers don't stick it out to where the good things start to happen. If they fold reading about it I would hold little hope that they would fare better when it is literally happening right before them.

The book? Now why do I think you mean the "Bible" I was about 10 when I found a beautifully illustrated one in the school library. LOL I asked my father all sorts of questions about incest, women of the temple and why a priest would spill womb blood on the temple floor. He wanted to know exactly what I had been reading....he was stunned when I told him what.


The explanation was short and sharp.....not at all like I got when I asked about space in the old paper Amazing SiFi books. That explanation ran a full 1/2 hour. Pretty long for a 10 year old.
 
Motar
#137
Quote: Originally Posted by s_loneView Post

Can someone explain me the notion of Original Sin? I simply don't understand it.

This question is primarily focused on the Christian notion of original sin. But any type of opinion and contribution is welcome, be it from a atheist, Christian or any other point of view.

Please stick to the subject though...

I accessed a Bible search portal and typed in "original sin", and this is what I found, sl:

"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." (Psalm 51:5 NIV)

This is the qualifier at the beginning of this psalm:

For the director of music. A psalm of David. When the prophet Nathan came to him after David had committed adultery with Bathsheba.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#138
Original sin is how Gawd gets to torture babies who never did no harm forever.
 
Twila
#139
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Original sin is how Gawd gets to torture babies who never did no harm forever.

not gawd...people. It's the excuse people use to torture and abuse babies. Gawd doesn't do anything but maybe appear in a piece of fruit or toast here and there...
 
Spade
#140
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

I accessed a Bible search portal and typed in "original sin", and this is what I found, sl:

"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." (Psalm 51:5 NIV)

This is the qualifier at the beginning of this psalm:

For the director of music. A psalm of David. When the prophet Nathan came to him after David had committed adultery with Bathsheba.

Since the myths surrounding David has his having 700 wives of royal birth and 300 concubines, David's affair with Bathsheba certainly put him over the top (i.e., the deadly sin of greed).
 
MHz
#141
And now for the bad news, the original sin was via the serpent, he lied and he killed on that fateful day. I didn't realize that would be news to anybody, let alone a group. Luckily the Bible is the only wisdom you are missing, . . . right?

Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

not gawd...people. It's the excuse people use to torture and abuse babies. Gawd doesn't do anything but maybe appear in a piece of fruit or toast here and there...

Be interesting what happens if they ate it instead of putting it on the mantle for generations to come.
 
Twila
#142
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

And now for the bad news, the original sin was via the serpent, he lied and he killed on that fateful day. I didn't realize that would be news to anybody, let alone a group. Luckily the Bible is the only wisdom you are missing, . . . right?

the bible being wisdom is subjective.



 
MHz
#143
Perhaps the world is the way it is because stings as easy to understand as the verse below is taken to mean anything but what the words actually say.

Joh:8:44:
Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the father of it.

You heard of the money-changers being tossed out of the temple twice by Jesus, what isn't included is the same money-changers were part of the reason God exiled them to Babylon. The corrupt banking practices never got fixed so while the Jewish bankers can be all hot about them being 'qualified' it is true, unfortunately it is also against the same religion they say they belong too. If that makes Gentiles a bit stupid what does it say about the Jews who let a corrupt practice operate using their name? I can assure you it doesn't work out to their advantage, in the past or in the future.
 
Motar
#144
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Since the myths surrounding David has his having 700 wives of royal birth and 300 concubines, David's affair with Bathsheba certainly put him over the top (i.e., the deadly sin of greed).

"The Lord sent Nathan to David. When he came to him, he said, 'There were two men in a certain town, one rich and the other poor. The rich man had a very large number of sheep and cattle, but the poor man had nothing except one little ewe lamb he had bought. He raised it, and it grew up with him and his children. It shared his food, drank from his cup and even slept in his arms. It was like a daughter to him.

Now a traveler came to the rich man, but the rich man refrained from taking one of his own sheep or cattle to prepare a meal for the traveler who had come to him. Instead, he took the ewe lamb that belonged to the poor man and prepared it for the one who had come to him. David burned with anger against the man and said to Nathan, 'As surely as the Lord lives, the man who did this must die! He must pay for that lamb four times over, because he did such a thing and had no pity.'

Then Nathan said to David, 'You are the man!" (2 Samuel 12:1-7 NIV)
 
Spade
+1
#145
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

"The Lord sent Nathan to David. When he came to him, he said, 'There were two men in a certain town, one rich and the other poor. The rich man had a very large number of sheep and cattle, but the poor man had nothing except one little ewe lamb he had bought. He raised it, and it grew up with him and his children. It shared his food, drank from his cup and even slept in his arms. It was like a daughter to him.

Now a traveler came to the rich man, but the rich man refrained from taking one of his own sheep or cattle to prepare a meal for the traveler who had come to him. Instead, he took the ewe lamb that belonged to the poor man and prepared it for the one who had come to him. David burned with anger against the man and said to Nathan, 'As surely as the Lord lives, the man who did this must die! He must pay for that lamb four times over, because he did such a thing and had no pity.'

Then Nathan said to David, 'You are the man!" (2 Samuel 12:1-7 NIV)

Did David share his wives and concubines with travellers, Sister? The true test of generosity.
 
Motar
#146
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Did David share his wives and concubines with travellers, Sister? The true test of generosity.

Absolutely, Brother. Read the rest of 2 Samuel 12.
 
bluebyrd35
#147
Joh:8:44:
Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the father of it.

Now I truly resent my father being called "The Devil" and he was faithful husband for all my parents' marriage. He never murdered anyone and was truthful. I don't know who Biblical John was supposed to be chatting up, but if he tried that tactic today, he would probably be sued for defamation of character.


As a species, humans are evolving from that tribal state and no longer believe in magic, and are developing reasoning skills. These will eventually be the demise of many harmful beliefs; if we manage to survive long enough, that is.


A quote I could not fine a source for says it all for me. " Philosophy is the mother of science and Religion the mother of politics. " One goes for imagination and investigation, the other for control and threats, in my opinion.


So, I would give those long ago politicians high marks. They set the tone for religion which unfortunately still hangs on today.
 
MHz
#148
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35View Post

Joh:8:44:
Now I truly resent my father being called "The Devil" and he was faithful husband for all my parents' marriage. He never murdered anyone and was truthful. I don't know who Biblical John was supposed to be chatting up, but if he tried that tactic today, he would probably be sued for defamation of character.

As a species, humans are evolving from that tribal state and no longer believe in magic, and are developing reasoning skills. These will eventually be the demise of many harmful beliefs; if we manage to survive long enough, that is.

A quote I could not fine a source for says it all for me. " Philosophy is the mother of science and Religion the mother of politics. " One goes for imagination and investigation, the other for control and threats, in my opinion.

So, I would give those long ago politicians high marks. They set the tone for religion which unfortunately still hangs on today.

Do what you must, since I use a particular edition the one you want to look up is the Queen of England as she is the copyright holder. Biblical John was also a woman, a Disciple of John the Baptist, her Lawyer is Christ, the Judge of mankind. I don't expect any headlines on the verdict anytime soon.

Science still teaches the big bang is true but controlled demolition on 9/11 is false. Global warming come with more ice. Take away their funding (from anything) and it breaks, so what hobbies will still make bigger strides in things society really finds important.
Theology is not based in fact, it is probability based, so far the probability factor has been losing and the trend to have rigid rules that cannot easily be updated is more hindrance than help. Like most of the 'old ways'. Religion and politics are the magicians hands so while one has your attention the other is straling something from somebody, most often it's you.

Without them taking the fall your 'usual ways' would be fount revolting by a sane and informed population.
 
Ludlow
#149
original sin is the creation of fruitcake
 
bluebyrd35
#150
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Do what you must, since I use a particular edition the one you want to look up is the Queen of England as she is the copyright holder. Biblical John was also a woman, a Disciple of John the Baptist, her Lawyer is Christ, the Judge of mankind. I don't expect any headlines on the verdict anytime soon.

Science still teaches the big bang is true but controlled demolition on 9/11 is false. Global warming come with more ice. Take away their funding (from anything) and it breaks, so what hobbies will still make bigger strides in things society really finds important.
Theology is not based in fact, it is probability based, so far the probability factor has been losing and the trend to have rigid rules that cannot easily be updated is more hindrance than help. Like most of the 'old ways'. Religion and politics are the magicians hands so while one has your attention the other is straling something from somebody, most often it's you.

Without them taking the fall your 'usual ways' would be fount revolting by a sane and informed population.

Who the heck cares if John was a woman, or whichever version of the Bible it is taken from!! It is a terrible fictional book that smart con artists have managed to convince the gullible is not only possible but true!!

As for the big bang........you can google pictures taken soon after the big bang........time can show so much!! LOL. Imagine being able to go back in time with a telescope and actually see the spewing out of debris from a cosmic explosion. Thing is you can.
 

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