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October 11th, 2007, 09:49 AM
Quoting jimmoyer
The values you have mentioned here may not be in a non believer person. You are right to say that pure happiness is happiness of soul and not flesh and it is lasting one. You would have certainly noticed that pure melody (not pop one) provides a deeper satisfaction/happiness. It does not serve any physical requirement then what is it?
You may or may not be right as I am not fully aware of Budhism but you rightfully understood my question. Thank you.
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You are gracious akbar. Let me requote your original question:
If the God is unjust there can not be justifications of any sort. If the God is unjust let there be no values, no mercy, no kindness, no charities and no ethics of any sort. If the God is unjust why humans do not avail every opportunity for their personal pleasures and progress, it may be at the cost of others blood and sufferings? ----------end of quote of akbar's question.
Answer: Even if humans do not believe in God, it does not automatically follow that humans will elect to be bad and undisciplined.
The Buddhists understood this. No matter what school of Buddhism, all branches of it subscribe to the Four Noble Truths. It does not require a belief in God to understand the nature of seeking happiness. Happiness does not lie in the pursuit of cravings, the pursuit of desires and needs.
We all know that. How many times have you tried to gratify your immediate needs but not yet be satisfied or happy ? The comedians in this group will have fun with this.
The pursuit of happiness without God does not automaticly mean a lack of discipline of desires that lead us to ruin and unhappiness. A lot of people learn this with or without God.
The first noble truth is that all life is suffering.
2. Suffering is caused by craving, desire, wants, needs, expectations.
3. To eliminate suffering, eliminate craving.
4. To eliminate craving, follow the Eight Fold Path :
right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration.
The answer here is that one does not have to believe in a God or believe that there is no God in order to find peace and happiness. Nirvana means "to blow out", as in blowing out the egoistic candle that burns in all of us.
The essential irony here, most notably observed by Zen Buddhists, is that any craving for Nirvana re-introduces suffering.
And so you get some very tricky dancing, famously expressed by what is the sound of one hand clapping, and also famously expressed in the phrase "crazy wisdom."
----------------------------------akbar-------------------------------------------------------
You are gracious akbar. Let me requote your original question:
If the God is unjust there can not be justifications of any sort. If the God is unjust let there be no values, no mercy, no kindness, no charities and no ethics of any sort. If the God is unjust why humans do not avail every opportunity for their personal pleasures and progress, it may be at the cost of others blood and sufferings? ----------end of quote of akbar's question.
Answer: Even if humans do not believe in God, it does not automatically follow that humans will elect to be bad and undisciplined.
The Buddhists understood this. No matter what school of Buddhism, all branches of it subscribe to the Four Noble Truths. It does not require a belief in God to understand the nature of seeking happiness. Happiness does not lie in the pursuit of cravings, the pursuit of desires and needs.
We all know that. How many times have you tried to gratify your immediate needs but not yet be satisfied or happy ? The comedians in this group will have fun with this.
The pursuit of happiness without God does not automaticly mean a lack of discipline of desires that lead us to ruin and unhappiness. A lot of people learn this with or without God.
The first noble truth is that all life is suffering.
2. Suffering is caused by craving, desire, wants, needs, expectations.
3. To eliminate suffering, eliminate craving.
4. To eliminate craving, follow the Eight Fold Path :
right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration.
The answer here is that one does not have to believe in a God or believe that there is no God in order to find peace and happiness. Nirvana means "to blow out", as in blowing out the egoistic candle that burns in all of us.
The essential irony here, most notably observed by Zen Buddhists, is that any craving for Nirvana re-introduces suffering.
And so you get some very tricky dancing, famously expressed by what is the sound of one hand clapping, and also famously expressed in the phrase "crazy wisdom."
