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September 12th, 2007, 10:07 AM
Morale boosting has been in vogue from pre historic days. People used to blow pipes, beat drums and sing song etc. for the purpose. Such activities have been going on to boost up morale of armies, civilizations and other groups based on races, religions etc. Almost all groups arrange yearly or occasional ceremonies to exhibit their pomp and show. Such functions help their groups to be united and retain their separate identities.
When a human baby comes into being, he/she is a human and nothing more. Then this he or she is taught about all grouping by concerned elders. This human is taught to have a separate history, traditions, language, race and religion. Such groups not only strive to maintain these distinctions but to prosper by an increase in number, power etc. so they very justly require morale boosting.
We shall discuss here morale boosting of religions with reference to faith in the God. All religions make their followers believe that only they are to be blessed on preferential bases, even though they themselves are more inhuman than other humans. They arrange ceremonies in purpose built buildings daily, weekly, yearly or occasionally. Such buildings are also magnificently built to boost up morale of worshipers. All groups try to hold such activities with full dignity because with out such dignified ceremonies their followers may loose morale. Religions also arrange pilgrimages to their exclusive holy places to make their followers exclusively blessed. Big congregations certainly have an impact on minds of participants.
Rhetoric by concerned clergies plays an important role and rhetoric by Hitler to boost the morale of Germans is very well known. These clergies lay stress on religious preferences of their followers other wise they will not be accepted as clergies in their community and will certainly loose jobs. Their ability for the purpose proves a scale of measurement for listing. Rhetoric is an art and ability which had/has been used by concerned group leaders and contributes a lot in successful grouping.
I am a Muslim by birth. People used to say and believe that the Milky Way in sky is the way on which the prophet went on a night to meet Allah. I also believed so in my childhood. I do not know whether people still believe it as I haven’t discussed. I believe that people are inclined to believe what they like to believe; and they are not inclined or willing to believe what they do not like to believe. All religions have many such wishful beliefs and are not willing to depart with because such beliefs are necessary to boost morale and to keep their separate identities. They were/are always ready to accept which gives them an edge over others. Propaganda and sources of communication are much vital.
Finance helps a lot in morale boosting. Religions also allowed looting others and collecting booties in wars as they were aware of finance’s importance. This is a fact that power and finance changed religions of many, and are still very effective. People are much impressed by power and wealth and even do not like to pray in poorly built worship places.
I believe that all these morale boosting activities and beliefs are to block the way of true faith and have to be gotten rid of before seeking guidance from the God. This morale boosting is actually pride boosting and humbleness is necessary to seek guidance. This leads humans to be inhuman and provides base for grouping. No pride, no such grouping and no real faith with any sort of pride. The God is the God of universe, the God of humans and not of religions, communities or groups; so who so ever claims preferences from general humanity is definitely unfaithful. Some time people plunge into depression when they loose their base of pride and distinction based on riches, power, race or religion etc. Only a true faith in the God provides much deep contentment which may never be shattered in any circumstances. True faith seeks shelter under the benevolence of God Almighty who never and never disappoints.
Some time morale boosting is used though very rarely for good purposes. Such morale boosting is used to provide relief to oppressed, down trodden, helpless, weak and also depressed persons. This is on human grounds to provide hope. Sincere and selfless devoted help gives much relief. Best morale boosting is to help concerned person to have faith in the God’s benevolence and there by beating depression very effectively but the needy should also be helped materially.
Morale boosting has been in vogue from pre historic days. People used to blow pipes, beat drums and sing song etc. for the purpose. Such activities have been going on to boost up morale of armies, civilizations and other groups based on races, religions etc. Almost all groups arrange yearly or occasional ceremonies to exhibit their pomp and show. Such functions help their groups to be united and retain their separate identities.
When a human baby comes into being, he/she is a human and nothing more. Then this he or she is taught about all grouping by concerned elders. This human is taught to have a separate history, traditions, language, race and religion. Such groups not only strive to maintain these distinctions but to prosper by an increase in number, power etc. so they very justly require morale boosting.
We shall discuss here morale boosting of religions with reference to faith in the God. All religions make their followers believe that only they are to be blessed on preferential bases, even though they themselves are more inhuman than other humans. They arrange ceremonies in purpose built buildings daily, weekly, yearly or occasionally. Such buildings are also magnificently built to boost up morale of worshipers. All groups try to hold such activities with full dignity because with out such dignified ceremonies their followers may loose morale. Religions also arrange pilgrimages to their exclusive holy places to make their followers exclusively blessed. Big congregations certainly have an impact on minds of participants.
Rhetoric by concerned clergies plays an important role and rhetoric by Hitler to boost the morale of Germans is very well known. These clergies lay stress on religious preferences of their followers other wise they will not be accepted as clergies in their community and will certainly loose jobs. Their ability for the purpose proves a scale of measurement for listing. Rhetoric is an art and ability which had/has been used by concerned group leaders and contributes a lot in successful grouping.
I am a Muslim by birth. People used to say and believe that the Milky Way in sky is the way on which the prophet went on a night to meet Allah. I also believed so in my childhood. I do not know whether people still believe it as I haven’t discussed. I believe that people are inclined to believe what they like to believe; and they are not inclined or willing to believe what they do not like to believe. All religions have many such wishful beliefs and are not willing to depart with because such beliefs are necessary to boost morale and to keep their separate identities. They were/are always ready to accept which gives them an edge over others. Propaganda and sources of communication are much vital.
Finance helps a lot in morale boosting. Religions also allowed looting others and collecting booties in wars as they were aware of finance’s importance. This is a fact that power and finance changed religions of many, and are still very effective. People are much impressed by power and wealth and even do not like to pray in poorly built worship places.
I believe that all these morale boosting activities and beliefs are to block the way of true faith and have to be gotten rid of before seeking guidance from the God. This morale boosting is actually pride boosting and humbleness is necessary to seek guidance. This leads humans to be inhuman and provides base for grouping. No pride, no such grouping and no real faith with any sort of pride. The God is the God of universe, the God of humans and not of religions, communities or groups; so who so ever claims preferences from general humanity is definitely unfaithful. Some time people plunge into depression when they loose their base of pride and distinction based on riches, power, race or religion etc. Only a true faith in the God provides much deep contentment which may never be shattered in any circumstances. True faith seeks shelter under the benevolence of God Almighty who never and never disappoints.
Some time morale boosting is used though very rarely for good purposes. Such morale boosting is used to provide relief to oppressed, down trodden, helpless, weak and also depressed persons. This is on human grounds to provide hope. Sincere and selfless devoted help gives much relief. Best morale boosting is to help concerned person to have faith in the God’s benevolence and there by beating depression very effectively but the needy should also be helped materially.
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September 12th, 2007, 12:52 PM
Akbar...I like you.....i really do....i do not have your same belief in God...But you are giving yourself a chance to explore new vistas...you are questioning the very fibre of your religion it seems....that to me is the most healthy thing a person can do who has been indoctrinated at birth into a belief system.....
I f you read this and my other post in your betrayal thread...ask me what i think prayer is and how would i pray.....
Akbar...I like you.....i really do....i do not have your same belief in God...But you are giving yourself a chance to explore new vistas...you are questioning the very fibre of your religion it seems....that to me is the most healthy thing a person can do who has been indoctrinated at birth into a belief system.....
I f you read this and my other post in your betrayal thread...ask me what i think prayer is and how would i pray.....
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September 13th, 2007, 01:24 PM
Open mindedness is the key to understanding.
Challenging ones own beliefs is norm and or exploring other beliefs as well.
If humanity is left to itself, then that is all one is going to get, is self.
But when humanity is married (Coupled) to a spiritual entity, then self is decreased and the spiritual is increased.
Thus, the words, love one another, for where love is practiced, self is giving.
Love is an ingredient common to all mankind, whether we have a god or not.
How we practice it determines who our god is.
We are judged by humanity by what we believe.
If our God is love, then love emanates from within.
Peace>>>AJ
Open mindedness is the key to understanding.
Challenging ones own beliefs is norm and or exploring other beliefs as well.
If humanity is left to itself, then that is all one is going to get, is self.
But when humanity is married (Coupled) to a spiritual entity, then self is decreased and the spiritual is increased.
Thus, the words, love one another, for where love is practiced, self is giving.
Love is an ingredient common to all mankind, whether we have a god or not.
How we practice it determines who our god is.
We are judged by humanity by what we believe.
If our God is love, then love emanates from within.
Peace>>>AJ
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September 21st, 2007, 11:13 AM
To unite in the name of any religion,
To unite in the name of any nation,
To unite in the name of any region,
To unite in the name of co-operation,
Many claim it as in the name of God,
Definitely not, it is definitely not,
All it is, but for any selfish cause,
To unite to prosper, or for any mistaken path.
unite to struggle for the justice's sake,
To highten the love and lowering the hate,
Praise the God who blessed us with values great,
To defeat the evil and every good is humane.
To unite in the name of any religion,
To unite in the name of any nation,
To unite in the name of any region,
To unite in the name of co-operation,
Many claim it as in the name of God,
Definitely not, it is definitely not,
All it is, but for any selfish cause,
To unite to prosper, or for any mistaken path.
unite to struggle for the justice's sake,
To highten the love and lowering the hate,
Praise the God who blessed us with values great,
To defeat the evil and every good is humane.
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September 21st, 2007, 11:31 AM
Nice stuff.....just a note it's common courtesy here, and i know yer new so it's best to have this done quickly...if you post stuff like this....which is really nice by the way.....if you post it...sign it by you if it's yours or tell all where it is from....
good to see ya back
Quoting akbar
hey where ya been?
To unite in the name of any religion,
To unite in the name of any nation,
To unite in the name of any region,
To unite in the name of co-operation,
Many claim it as in the name of God,
Definitely not, it is definitely not,
All it is, but for any selfish cause,
To unite to prosper, or for any mistaken path.
unite to struggle for the justice's sake,
To highten the love and lowering the hate,
Praise the God who blessed us with values great,
To defeat the evil and every good is humane.
To unite in the name of any nation,
To unite in the name of any region,
To unite in the name of co-operation,
Many claim it as in the name of God,
Definitely not, it is definitely not,
All it is, but for any selfish cause,
To unite to prosper, or for any mistaken path.
unite to struggle for the justice's sake,
To highten the love and lowering the hate,
Praise the God who blessed us with values great,
To defeat the evil and every good is humane.
Nice stuff.....just a note it's common courtesy here, and i know yer new so it's best to have this done quickly...if you post stuff like this....which is really nice by the way.....if you post it...sign it by you if it's yours or tell all where it is from....
good to see ya back
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October 9th, 2007, 12:39 AM
As you asked let me tell you that each and every word wgich I post is my own and I believe it. I am author of a book, Faith Not Religions. As tou know my name is Ajbar Chatha amd I am an ordinory farmer from Punjab, pakistan. Is anybogy here who understands pujabi language. Sorry to respond late.
As you asked let me tell you that each and every word wgich I post is my own and I believe it. I am author of a book, Faith Not Religions. As tou know my name is Ajbar Chatha amd I am an ordinory farmer from Punjab, pakistan. Is anybogy here who understands pujabi language. Sorry to respond late.
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October 9th, 2007, 01:49 PM
Quoting akbar
Welcome akbar. You may be a farmer from Punjab, Pakistan and me a woman from Ontario, Canada but I think we have a similar belief system.
As you asked let me tell you that each and every word wgich I post is my own and I believe it. I am author of a book, Faith Not Religions. As tou know my name is Ajbar Chatha amd I am an ordinory farmer from Punjab, pakistan. Is anybogy here who understands pujabi language. Sorry to respond late.
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October 9th, 2007, 06:13 PM
that the large great religions of our time may all hold part of truth but none hold all. Neither are they the only path to take.There are many great teachings within them and they may also bring you peace. However, if one does not wish to merely accept but to search then look within, seek God on your own. He will make himself known. All the large religions would have you believe they are the only one "true way", yet that is untrue.
Peace back AJ. What is your thought?
Quoting look3467
Which is...
Which is?
Peace>>>AJ
Peace>>>AJ
that the large great religions of our time may all hold part of truth but none hold all. Neither are they the only path to take.There are many great teachings within them and they may also bring you peace. However, if one does not wish to merely accept but to search then look within, seek God on your own. He will make himself known. All the large religions would have you believe they are the only one "true way", yet that is untrue. Peace back AJ. What is your thought?
Mighty Intellect
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October 9th, 2007, 07:52 PM
They need religion to keep them going hopefully in the right direction.
Some evolve out of them and many don't, and that is life.
Rescuers (Free thinkers)are not out there to proselytize, but to help in need without declaring a religious affiliation.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting Sal
I agree, but the problem exists where many folks are not free thinkers.
Which is... that the large great religions of our time may all hold part of truth but none hold all. Neither are they the only path to take.There are many great teachings within them and they may also bring you peace. However, if one does not wish to merely accept but to search then look within, seek God on your own. He will make himself known. All the large religions would have you believe they are the only one "true way", yet that is untrue.
Peace back AJ. What is your thought?
that the large great religions of our time may all hold part of truth but none hold all. Neither are they the only path to take.There are many great teachings within them and they may also bring you peace. However, if one does not wish to merely accept but to search then look within, seek God on your own. He will make himself known. All the large religions would have you believe they are the only one "true way", yet that is untrue. Peace back AJ. What is your thought?
They need religion to keep them going hopefully in the right direction.
Some evolve out of them and many don't, and that is life.
Rescuers (Free thinkers)are not out there to proselytize, but to help in need without declaring a religious affiliation.
Peace>>>AJ
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October 9th, 2007, 08:13 PM
Let's be clear - my objection is to what you wrote, and let's stick to that.
First: what is religion but an attempt to stifle free inquiry and freedom of thought and action? "Do this because I have had a private conversation with an invisible guy in the sky, and he says you'll be tortured forever after you die if you don't."
What a load! How do I know you aren't just crazy and you have silly voices in your head? How do I know you aren't just a power mad con artist and you figured out a really good scam? Both have happened - over and over and over.
What is any supernatural system of belief but a collection of dogmas proclaimed by some powerful "selectperson" and unsupported by a single shred of evidence?
"The grass grows by the will of Allah." What kind on nonsensical BS is that? How does that leave me any smarter about the world? "God created the heavens and the earth. . ." - huh? What, exactly does that explain? It does tell you not to look through a telescope and learn anything for yourself. Free thinking indeed!
"Rescuers (free thinkers) are not out there to proselytize. . ." What else do you do? What are your posts if not evangelizing? To thine own self be true, AJ. Self-deception is unbecoming.
Listen: I'm not here to debate fairy tales, I just stumbled upon this full-of-baloney post of yours and had to call B.S.
Pangloss
Quoting look3467
Free thinkers? Man, I was gonna leave this thread alone but what a load of crap you just wrote.
I agree, but the problem exists where many folks are not free thinkers.
They need religion to keep them going hopefully in the right direction.
Some evolve out of them and many don't, and that is life.
Rescuers (Free thinkers)are not out there to proselytize, but to help in need without declaring a religious affiliation.
Peace>>>AJ
They need religion to keep them going hopefully in the right direction.
Some evolve out of them and many don't, and that is life.
Rescuers (Free thinkers)are not out there to proselytize, but to help in need without declaring a religious affiliation.
Peace>>>AJ
Let's be clear - my objection is to what you wrote, and let's stick to that.
First: what is religion but an attempt to stifle free inquiry and freedom of thought and action? "Do this because I have had a private conversation with an invisible guy in the sky, and he says you'll be tortured forever after you die if you don't."
What a load! How do I know you aren't just crazy and you have silly voices in your head? How do I know you aren't just a power mad con artist and you figured out a really good scam? Both have happened - over and over and over.
What is any supernatural system of belief but a collection of dogmas proclaimed by some powerful "selectperson" and unsupported by a single shred of evidence?
"The grass grows by the will of Allah." What kind on nonsensical BS is that? How does that leave me any smarter about the world? "God created the heavens and the earth. . ." - huh? What, exactly does that explain? It does tell you not to look through a telescope and learn anything for yourself. Free thinking indeed!
"Rescuers (free thinkers) are not out there to proselytize. . ." What else do you do? What are your posts if not evangelizing? To thine own self be true, AJ. Self-deception is unbecoming.
Listen: I'm not here to debate fairy tales, I just stumbled upon this full-of-baloney post of yours and had to call B.S.
Pangloss
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October 9th, 2007, 09:34 PM
Ouch!
Not much for moral boosting, huh?
My friend, what I mean by free thinkers is that they are open minded and willing to venture out of the religious dogmatic world to find a more suitable answer to some of the questions that are not available by standard religious organizations.
Also meaning that free thinkers are more tolerant of those who are bound up in religious thinking.
Since you pointed me out amongst them, I will say that even though I believe in a sovereign deity over all humanity, I am open minded, tolerant and willing to talk about anything; basing all my responses in what I believe to be to the best of my knowledge and understanding of the bible I have.
I had no problem agreeing with Sal and his views.
As for your views, well, though different than mine, I still respect them, and won't speak ill of you or of them either.
"Rescuers (free thinkers) are not out there to proselytize. . ." What else do you do? What are your posts if not evangelizing? To thine own self be true, AJ. Self-deception is unbecoming>>>Pangloss
Hey, I am stasrting a church here, by the way, I need you to help with the collection plate.
Now, have I ever mentioned a word to you about jioning my beliefs?
I'll share my beliefs as you share yours.
If you are not here to debate fairy tales, why are you here for then?
I mean this thread has to do with spirituality, phylosophy and faith discussion.
I'm sure that under those tiltles are nothing but fairy tales.
Peace>>>AJ
Ouch!
Not much for moral boosting, huh?
My friend, what I mean by free thinkers is that they are open minded and willing to venture out of the religious dogmatic world to find a more suitable answer to some of the questions that are not available by standard religious organizations.
Also meaning that free thinkers are more tolerant of those who are bound up in religious thinking.
Since you pointed me out amongst them, I will say that even though I believe in a sovereign deity over all humanity, I am open minded, tolerant and willing to talk about anything; basing all my responses in what I believe to be to the best of my knowledge and understanding of the bible I have.
I had no problem agreeing with Sal and his views.
As for your views, well, though different than mine, I still respect them, and won't speak ill of you or of them either.
"Rescuers (free thinkers) are not out there to proselytize. . ." What else do you do? What are your posts if not evangelizing? To thine own self be true, AJ. Self-deception is unbecoming>>>Pangloss
Hey, I am stasrting a church here, by the way, I need you to help with the collection plate.
Now, have I ever mentioned a word to you about jioning my beliefs?
I'll share my beliefs as you share yours.
If you are not here to debate fairy tales, why are you here for then?
I mean this thread has to do with spirituality, phylosophy and faith discussion.
I'm sure that under those tiltles are nothing but fairy tales.
Peace>>>AJ
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October 10th, 2007, 05:32 AM
I am your friend also,
May not be of your skin,
May not be of your nation,
May not be of your language,
May not be of your standard,
Yet I can live as you live,
Yet I can sing as you sing,
Can love your art and ways of life,
The land you live in or any sight,
I can join you in sad and glad,
Can share your hopes and wear as you clad,
Can join you in prayers where you pray,
Though I shall say silently what I have to say,
The God I pray is your God also,
May be more yours than mine also,
The God of universe and mankind also,
I am your friend also.
I can join you to defend the just,
If you are to help weak or oppressed,
But if I happen to meet the others,
If they claim to behave as human brothers,
I may be very easily inspired also,
No restraint shall then I abide by also,
I shall embrace and say to them also,
I am your friend also.
Quoting Sal
I hope we would remain agree if we do not then either you or I am not true to our humanity.
Welcome akbar. You may be a farmer from Punjab, Pakistan and me a woman from Ontario, Canada but I think we have a similar belief system.
I am your friend also,
May not be of your skin,
May not be of your nation,
May not be of your language,
May not be of your standard,
Yet I can live as you live,
Yet I can sing as you sing,
Can love your art and ways of life,
The land you live in or any sight,
I can join you in sad and glad,
Can share your hopes and wear as you clad,
Can join you in prayers where you pray,
Though I shall say silently what I have to say,
The God I pray is your God also,
May be more yours than mine also,
The God of universe and mankind also,
I am your friend also.
I can join you to defend the just,
If you are to help weak or oppressed,
But if I happen to meet the others,
If they claim to behave as human brothers,
I may be very easily inspired also,
No restraint shall then I abide by also,
I shall embrace and say to them also,
I am your friend also.
October 10th, 2007, 07:56 AM
Quoting Pangloss
First: what is religion but an attempt to stifle free inquiry and freedom of thought and action? "Do this because I have had a private conversation with an invisible guy in the sky, and he says you'll be tortured forever after you die if you don't."
This is not the case in my religionFirst: what is religion but an attempt to stifle free inquiry and freedom of thought and action? "Do this because I have had a private conversation with an invisible guy in the sky, and he says you'll be tortured forever after you die if you don't."
Quote:
ALso not the case in my religion. Mine is an independent relationship with my higher power (defined as I choose) without a leader.
What is any supernatural system of belief but a collection of dogmas proclaimed by some powerful "selectperson" and unsupported by a single shred of evidence?
Quote:
Again, not in my religion. In my religion the higher power encourages seeing life as universal and unending and encourages thought on that level. "Looking through a telescope" I discover more wonder that only increases my belief in what is possible, created in tandem with higher power and man.
"The grass grows by the will of Allah." What kind on nonsensical BS is that? How does that leave me any smarter about the world? "God created the heavens and the earth. . ." - huh? What, exactly does that explain? It does tell you not to look through a telescope and learn anything for yourself. Free thinking indeed!
Quote:
Proselytizing is an attempt to convert. Evangelizing is simply the profession of faith. My religion (or rather, persons who practice what I do, may evangelize but those who are true to the intent of the religion never EVER proselytize.
"Rescuers (free thinkers) are not out there to proselytize. . ." What else do you do? What are your posts if not evangelizing? To thine own self be true, AJ. Self-deception is unbecoming.
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October 10th, 2007, 11:28 AM
Quoting akbar
Very nice akbar, very nice. If we would all just embrac those ideas, the world would be a better place. Thanks for sharing.
I hope we would remain agree if we do not then either you or I am not true to our humanity.
I am your friend also,
May not be of your skin,
May not be of your nation,
May not be of your language,
May not be of your standard,
Yet I can live as you live,
Yet I can sing as you sing,
Can love your art and ways of life,
The land you live in or any sight,
I can join you in sad and glad,
Can share your hopes and wear as you clad,
Can join you in prayers where you pray,
Though I shall say silently what I have to say,
The God I pray is your God also,
May be more yours than mine also,
The God of universe and mankind also,
I am your friend also.
I can join you to defend the just,
If you are to help weak or oppressed,
But if I happen to meet the others,
If they claim to behave as human brothers,
I may be very easily inspired also,
No restraint shall then I abide by also,
I shall embrace and say to them also,
I am your friend also.
I am your friend also,
May not be of your skin,
May not be of your nation,
May not be of your language,
May not be of your standard,
Yet I can live as you live,
Yet I can sing as you sing,
Can love your art and ways of life,
The land you live in or any sight,
I can join you in sad and glad,
Can share your hopes and wear as you clad,
Can join you in prayers where you pray,
Though I shall say silently what I have to say,
The God I pray is your God also,
May be more yours than mine also,
The God of universe and mankind also,
I am your friend also.
I can join you to defend the just,
If you are to help weak or oppressed,
But if I happen to meet the others,
If they claim to behave as human brothers,
I may be very easily inspired also,
No restraint shall then I abide by also,
I shall embrace and say to them also,
I am your friend also.
