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September 23rd, 2007, 05:33 PM
Wolf
Quoting look3467
Bible is one of those contradictions in life. Some will proclaim it is Law ... then interpret from its text. If it truly is Law - would it not be clearly defined?
The whole cocept of Job is missed!
Unless we have an eye for the spiritual, that story becomes a myth.
For me, there is no argument. I understand the concept of Job.
Fitsd perfectly with the rest of the bible.
Peace>>>AJ
Unless we have an eye for the spiritual, that story becomes a myth.
For me, there is no argument. I understand the concept of Job.
Fitsd perfectly with the rest of the bible.
Peace>>>AJ
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September 23rd, 2007, 06:02 PM
Although, the same could be said for our country's laws.... they are always being interpreted differently by lawyers and judges.... hence decisions being overturned on appeals, etc. Probably not the best example to use.... laws are very rarely black and white... if ever.
Quoting lone wolf
According to the interpreters, it is very clearly defined... however they define it.
Bible is one of those contradictions in life. Some will proclaim it is Law ... then interpret from its text. If it truly is Law - would it not be clearly defined?
Wolf
Wolf
Although, the same could be said for our country's laws.... they are always being interpreted differently by lawyers and judges.... hence decisions being overturned on appeals, etc. Probably not the best example to use.... laws are very rarely black and white... if ever.
Mighty Intellect
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September 23rd, 2007, 10:04 PM
The law of Moses was given as a witness to the world by the Jews.
The rest of the world were a law unto themselves, yet contained the same elements as the Ten Cammandments.
So, it is a matter of who you are, where you are and what you believe in that enables us to choose.
What is a right choice? One that does no evil.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting lone wolf
The true law is written in evry heart, but not everyheart chooces to do right by it.
Bible is one of those contradictions in life. Some will proclaim it is Law ... then interpret from its text. If it truly is Law - would it not be clearly defined?
Wolf
Wolf
The law of Moses was given as a witness to the world by the Jews.
The rest of the world were a law unto themselves, yet contained the same elements as the Ten Cammandments.
So, it is a matter of who you are, where you are and what you believe in that enables us to choose.
What is a right choice? One that does no evil.
Peace>>>AJ
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September 24th, 2007, 01:22 AM
Well, I don't really know if god's unjust or not, I don't even know who or what he is, or even if he exists. I strongly doubt that he does, the available evidence doesn't seem to me to point that way, but I can't definitively state that he doesn't exist either, all I can say is that I don't believe he does. Which, I hasten to add in order to forestall the most common criticisms of that position (not that it's ever really worked) is not the same as believing that he doesn't. It seems clear to me that certainly some human concepts of god are pretty unjust, like the one that allows, perhaps even requires, believers to fly airplanes full of people into buildings full of people, or more generally the one that allows, perhaps even requires, believers to kill other people who believe differently than they do. History is full of examples of that kind of behaviour. "Thou shalt not kill" doesn't seem to carry much weight these days, and it doesn't look to me like it ever did. In practical terms that rule might be more accurately rendered as "Thou shalt not kill members of thine own family or tribe or belief community," anyone else is fair game.
There's really only one thing I'm sure of in this context: God, if he exists at all (which as I said, I strongly doubt) isn't remotely what anybody thinks he is.
Well, I don't really know if god's unjust or not, I don't even know who or what he is, or even if he exists. I strongly doubt that he does, the available evidence doesn't seem to me to point that way, but I can't definitively state that he doesn't exist either, all I can say is that I don't believe he does. Which, I hasten to add in order to forestall the most common criticisms of that position (not that it's ever really worked) is not the same as believing that he doesn't. It seems clear to me that certainly some human concepts of god are pretty unjust, like the one that allows, perhaps even requires, believers to fly airplanes full of people into buildings full of people, or more generally the one that allows, perhaps even requires, believers to kill other people who believe differently than they do. History is full of examples of that kind of behaviour. "Thou shalt not kill" doesn't seem to carry much weight these days, and it doesn't look to me like it ever did. In practical terms that rule might be more accurately rendered as "Thou shalt not kill members of thine own family or tribe or belief community," anyone else is fair game.
There's really only one thing I'm sure of in this context: God, if he exists at all (which as I said, I strongly doubt) isn't remotely what anybody thinks he is.
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September 24th, 2007, 01:47 AM
Good is also a truth, much like love. The person having love will not kill or hurt, but instead would take the suffering.
These two things we all posses, but how we use them is the determing factor.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting china
Evil is a present truth, much like a gun. The person having the gun could kill and hurt, given a choice.
In Truth ,there are no choices.....Truth is Truth.
What is evil?
What is evil?
Good is also a truth, much like love. The person having love will not kill or hurt, but instead would take the suffering.
These two things we all posses, but how we use them is the determing factor.
Peace>>>AJ
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September 24th, 2007, 01:48 AM
But do something good for someone.
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Quoting Daelin
That is fine. Your choice.
Beh... words like prayer and god are pretty empty and vague to me.
I'm a pantheist. My "god" is here and now, everything and this.
I'm a pantheist. My "god" is here and now, everything and this.
But do something good for someone.
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September 24th, 2007, 09:50 AM
That’s an age old adage that has worked as well.
But it also carries with it a sense of pride. And another adage is, pride goeth before the fall!
Be good, do good humbly, and pride will never touch you.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting Daelin
Without a concept of prayer, the only way I have of getting things done is to make sure I do them myself.>>>Daelin
Most certainly.
Without a concept of prayer, the only way I have of getting things done is to make sure I do them myself.
Without a concept of prayer, the only way I have of getting things done is to make sure I do them myself.
That’s an age old adage that has worked as well.
But it also carries with it a sense of pride. And another adage is, pride goeth before the fall!
Be good, do good humbly, and pride will never touch you.
Peace>>>AJ
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September 24th, 2007, 01:03 PM
Choice is having two options, where the options are not evil, but the intent is.
Intent is the seed, that if it blossoms becomes and action, and if it is an evil choice, evil is begotten.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting lone wolf
Not quite sure how to read that. "Lived like the devil", but to live is evil?
Evil is a mirror image of live
Devil is a mirror image of lived
Only in English, huh?
Wolf
Devil is a mirror image of lived
Only in English, huh?
Wolf
Choice is having two options, where the options are not evil, but the intent is.
Intent is the seed, that if it blossoms becomes and action, and if it is an evil choice, evil is begotten.
Peace>>>AJ
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September 24th, 2007, 01:17 PM
happy thoughts for today:
happy thoughts for today:
Mighty Intellect
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September 24th, 2007, 02:55 PM
We all are tempted but not necesarly willing to yield, unless of course there is nothing to pursade us not to. (God?)
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Quoting DocDred
Thoughts are seeds, and if not acted upon, are not evil.
happy thoughts for today:
We all are tempted but not necesarly willing to yield, unless of course there is nothing to pursade us not to. (God?)
Peace>>>AJ
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September 24th, 2007, 05:22 PM
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting lone wolf
One guess! Absolutely Yes, God is our conscience. If we loose that conscience, there are no feelings of remorse and or repentance.
Is it conscience, or God, that imposes guilt when you know you have done that which is morally wrong?
Wolf
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