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February 6th, 2007, 11:43 AM
The five senses are what directs us to Him, in the form of sufferings or experience.
Meaning that we must be in the flesh to learn who God is.
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Quoting MikeyDB
When the spirits heart inhabits the creator, the resultant is displayed through the five senses.
Great gobs of hawgwash in that post my friend...
To think spiritually the senes don't apply....?
How do you know you love someone, do you feel it or do you just believe that faith in love will mean it's really there?
To think spiritually the senes don't apply....?
How do you know you love someone, do you feel it or do you just believe that faith in love will mean it's really there?
The five senses are what directs us to Him, in the form of sufferings or experience.
Meaning that we must be in the flesh to learn who God is.
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February 6th, 2007, 11:45 AM
very trite. but it doesnt lead us any closer to an explanation.
very trite. but it doesnt lead us any closer to an explanation.
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February 6th, 2007, 11:47 AM
Logic is a natural understanding.
For example: Love your enemies. Natural logic is,"hey he kicks me, I'm going to kick back".
But spiritually looking at that same situation is: Forgiveness which goes against natural logic.
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Quoting hermanntrude
Spiritual can only be understood spiritually.
so you're saying spirituality defies logic and is in fact irrational?
Logic is a natural understanding.
For example: Love your enemies. Natural logic is,"hey he kicks me, I'm going to kick back".
But spiritually looking at that same situation is: Forgiveness which goes against natural logic.
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February 6th, 2007, 11:51 AM
that's not true. it's perfectly logical to forgive and love one's enemies. It reduces the hatred in the world and leads to a peaceful life. I discovered that the hard, illogical way.
that's not true. it's perfectly logical to forgive and love one's enemies. It reduces the hatred in the world and leads to a peaceful life. I discovered that the hard, illogical way.
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February 6th, 2007, 11:55 AM
But because we had no choice, then we must learn by experiencing suffering, who we are. Why are we here and the injustice done us by making us be born.
When we learn why, than our hearts change to that of love an appreciation for being born, and we become like our creator,able to be kings over our own existence.
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Quoting hermanntrude
It does if we but could understand why we were created in the first place. If we had a choice and knew before hand what this world had in store for us, we might decide not to be born.
very trite. but it doesnt lead us any closer to an explanation.
But because we had no choice, then we must learn by experiencing suffering, who we are. Why are we here and the injustice done us by making us be born.
When we learn why, than our hearts change to that of love an appreciation for being born, and we become like our creator,able to be kings over our own existence.
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February 6th, 2007, 11:57 AM
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Quoting hermanntrude
If you are able to forgive someone who is beating you up, why? Is it a natural thing to let someone beat us up?
that's not true. it's perfectly logical to forgive and love one's enemies. It reduces the hatred in the world and leads to a peaceful life. I discovered that the hard, illogical way.
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February 6th, 2007, 11:57 AM
Quoting look3467
That's one thing i'm resigned to probably never knowing.
It does if we but could understand why we were created in the first place. If we had a choice and knew before hand what this world had in store for us, we might decide not to be born.
But because we had no choice, then we must learn by experiencing suffering, who we are. Why are we here and the injustice done us by making us be born.
When we learn why, than our hearts change to that of love an appreciation for being born, and we become like our creator,able to be kings over our own existence.
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But because we had no choice, then we must learn by experiencing suffering, who we are. Why are we here and the injustice done us by making us be born.
When we learn why, than our hearts change to that of love an appreciation for being born, and we become like our creator,able to be kings over our own existence.
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February 6th, 2007, 11:59 AM
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Quoting hermanntrude
The gift is there. All we have to do is accept it! Nothing more!
That's one thing i'm resigned to probably never knowing.
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February 6th, 2007, 11:59 AM
no. it's natural to run or defend one's self, but it is a rational thing to either run or offer passive resistance, IMO. Violence to me is irrational. firstly i'm quite weak and don't like to hurt people, which makes me a bad fighter, secondly i truly believe that the man who offers the least violence and pain to the other is the true winner. I'd rather be beaten up than beat someone else. if those were the only two choices. it's rarely the case, though. usually u have another option, like run or talk, or not get involved in the first place
no. it's natural to run or defend one's self, but it is a rational thing to either run or offer passive resistance, IMO. Violence to me is irrational. firstly i'm quite weak and don't like to hurt people, which makes me a bad fighter, secondly i truly believe that the man who offers the least violence and pain to the other is the true winner. I'd rather be beaten up than beat someone else. if those were the only two choices. it's rarely the case, though. usually u have another option, like run or talk, or not get involved in the first place
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February 6th, 2007, 12:01 PM
Quoting look3467
i'll accept it when i know it's there. If i handed you an invisible gift, would u reach out to take it or would u look at me like i was an idiot?
The gift is there. All we have to do is accept it! Nothing more!
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February 6th, 2007, 12:08 PM
But if after all that, I should decide to place my faith in you, than, whole heartedly, I would accept it!
But, you must give me some promises that if I do accept it, that you will be with me in spirit till the end of my life, and that you will also comfort me when I am down, and also heal my sorrows.
Those things I get now and without simply for the asking.
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Quoting hermanntrude
Well it depends? Who would you be? And has it been written of you that you would be giving out gifts? Notice the natural logic in my thinking?
i'll accept it when i know it's there. If i handed you an invisible gift, would u reach out to take it or would u look at me like i was an idiot?
But if after all that, I should decide to place my faith in you, than, whole heartedly, I would accept it!
But, you must give me some promises that if I do accept it, that you will be with me in spirit till the end of my life, and that you will also comfort me when I am down, and also heal my sorrows.
Those things I get now and without simply for the asking.
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February 6th, 2007, 12:12 PM
and then when u received this invisible gift, you felt nothing, no weight, no pressure on your hands, you might think maybe it wasnt anything at all. I notice the logic but it's a reason to make an assumption which can be tested, not a reason to take the gift as a fact.
and then when u received this invisible gift, you felt nothing, no weight, no pressure on your hands, you might think maybe it wasnt anything at all. I notice the logic but it's a reason to make an assumption which can be tested, not a reason to take the gift as a fact.
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February 6th, 2007, 12:13 PM
I'm telling you so! It's there.
But first, I should explain the evidences leading to that assumption, otherwise, there's no logic in it.
There is a scripture that says:
My people are being destroyed for lack of knowledge"
What that means is that we are not capitalizing on the benefits given us for lack of knowledge of them!
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Quoting hermanntrude
And how would you not know it's there unless some one told you so?
i'll accept it when i know it's there. If i handed you an invisible gift, would u reach out to take it or would u look at me like i was an idiot?
I'm telling you so! It's there.
But first, I should explain the evidences leading to that assumption, otherwise, there's no logic in it.
There is a scripture that says:
My people are being destroyed for lack of knowledge"
What that means is that we are not capitalizing on the benefits given us for lack of knowledge of them!
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February 6th, 2007, 12:15 PM
do you agree with me on the fact that's it's perfectly logical (although not instinctive) to love your enemy, with or without the existance of God?
do you agree with me on the fact that's it's perfectly logical (although not instinctive) to love your enemy, with or without the existance of God?
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February 6th, 2007, 12:19 PM
But the gift is not felt in the senses, but in our spirits which results in the senses feeling something.
Each of us have a spirit that defines us, who we are, how we are. That spirit has a heart. When God touches that heart with His presence, who you are and how you are changes.
That change is for the good, and the power to do evil is defeated. Whereby you can love your enemies.
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Quoting hermanntrude
If I am looking for God to hit me on the head with a 2x4, than yes, I would feel something of a gift.
and then when u received this invisible gift, you felt nothing, no weight, no pressure on your hands, you might think maybe it wasnt anything at all. I notice the logic but it's a reason to make an assumption which can be tested, not a reason to take the gift as a fact.
But the gift is not felt in the senses, but in our spirits which results in the senses feeling something.
Each of us have a spirit that defines us, who we are, how we are. That spirit has a heart. When God touches that heart with His presence, who you are and how you are changes.
That change is for the good, and the power to do evil is defeated. Whereby you can love your enemies.
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P.S. I've got to run, gotta work, so i'll be back tonight.
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February 6th, 2007, 12:21 PM
well maybe that's already happened. I did change personalities at one point in my life, and i did suddenly realise it was nice to be nice, even if others weren't. is it possible to have this transition without acknowledging God?
well maybe that's already happened. I did change personalities at one point in my life, and i did suddenly realise it was nice to be nice, even if others weren't. is it possible to have this transition without acknowledging God?
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February 6th, 2007, 10:50 PM
Godly attributes have to do with loving thy neighbor!
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Quoting hermanntrude
I would say yes!
well maybe that's already happened. I did change personalities at one point in my life, and i did suddenly realise it was nice to be nice, even if others weren't. is it possible to have this transition without acknowledging God?
Godly attributes have to do with loving thy neighbor!
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