Do you believe in a source of all that exists?


Ludlow
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I use to be Christian. I still like parts of the religion like the Sermon on the mount. But I've come to a point in my life where I do not believe in the Abrahamic god. Still, when I look at pictures of the universe with all the brilliant lights and colors, and activity, I can't help but think that there is something much more complex than we could possibly comprehend. But is that "something" too big to be concerned with each individual on this little speck of a planet? Such as Spinozas god. What type of beliefs existed before the so called axial age and the beginning of the Abrahamic religions? Personally I believe there is something. Beyond that feeling, I simply cannot know or affirm. Is it a god, or gods, or entities from a different realm? I don't know. Maybe in the future when we evolve to a certain degree of growth and maturity, we'll be allowed to understand more, little by little.
 
mentalfloss
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Nah.

Maybe there is but the real question is does it matter?
 
EagleSmack
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Geez.... yet ANOTHER whiny thread by Ludlow.
 
Ludlow
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Nah.

Maybe there is but the real question is does it matter?

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows?
 
Twila
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If something were capable of all that we see before us, I can't imagine it would care about us on an individual basis.

We might be observed but that'd be about it.

There is so much going on in our universe and if you want to include the multiverse, then it would make it even bigger.

Man seems bent on expecting that individual lives matter to something greater then themselves, but I believe that is just fear.

No man is an island.
 
lone wolf
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Maybe in the future when we evolve to a certain degree of growth and maturity, we'll be allowed to understand more, little by little.

Evolve is one thing. Wisdom is completely different ... and seems to be stuck in reverse.
 
Jinentonix
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Darwin struggled with those very thoughts his whole life. Some people call him the "Great Atheist" but the reality is, Darwin was an agnostic right up until his death.
He'd look at the reproductive cycle of certain insects that implant their eggs in a living host who would be eaten from the inside out once the eggs hatched, and wonder what kind of god would create such a horrifying reproductive cycle.
And then later that night, be staring up at the heavens, enjoying its wondrous beauty and wondering how something like that could exist without some sort of creator.

But we all also all know that the concept of "gods" came about so the average human thousands of years ago had an explanation for events that were inexplicable to them. That belief/superstition is a strong one and has been with us ever since in one form or another. Even with the advent of true science it didn't go away.

Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

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No man is an island.

Until he farts.
 
Ludlow
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Geez.... yet ANOTHER whiny thread by Ludlow.

Theological thread stupid. The only one whining about it is you. Your cookie cutter sameness is not only getting old, but a great deal of the time makes no sense.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

Theological thread stupid. The only one whining about it is you. Your cookie cutter sameness is not only getting old, but a great deal of the time makes no sense.

Can you ever stop wailing on here?
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Evolve is one thing. Wisdom is completely different ... and seems to be stuck in reverse.

STuck in reverse or do you think we've just given ourselves so much to do, that there is no time to sit and contemplate?

Even 50 yrs ago, people didn't have as much to do and look after as we do now. Between the home computers, the lap tops, the smart phones, smart tv's, tablets, light bulbs you program from an app, to getting your coffee just the way you want it, collecting the points so you can save money on the next thing that will require your time, etc etc etc. We no longer sit without being entertained by some external stimulation.

I think we are evolving into busy busy creatures with very little time for contemplation.

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Can you ever stop wailing on here?


I enjoy reading his posts. I don't think it's wailing.

You could always NOT read them if you feel the way you say you do, then you wouldn't have to wail against them...
 
lone wolf
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Some are very busy ... thinking up new ways to dominate and fleece they who can't be bothered with thinking
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Some are very busy ... thinking up new ways to dominate and fleece they who can't be bothered with thinking

yep. I think the invention of sin was the most brilliant of business schemes. You can charge what ever you want and there is no way for anyone to prove them wrong and collect a refund. Brilliant.

Look at Joel Olsteen. Lives an extravagant life all on the dime of those who are afraid that death might be the end and that life is hard for no reason other then it is hard.
 
Ludlow
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Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

STuck in reverse or do you think we've just given ourselves so much to do, that there is no time to sit and contemplate?

Even 50 yrs ago, people didn't have as much to do and look after as we do now. Between the home computers, the lap tops, the smart phones, smart tv's, tablets, light bulbs you program from an app, to getting your coffee just the way you want it, collecting the points so you can save money on the next thing that will require your time, etc etc etc. We no longer sit without being entertained by some external stimulation.

I think we are evolving into busy busy creatures with very little time for contemplation.




I enjoy reading his posts. I don't think it's wailing.

You could always NOT read them if you feel the way you say you do, then you wouldn't have to wail against them...

Eaglecrack is a broken record. If I posted a thread on a good lasagna recipe he'd say I was whining. I think his neuro transmitters must have some sort of glitch. Or, maybe he is simply retarded. .
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

Eaglecrack is a broken record. If I posted a thread on a good lasagna recipe he'd say I was whining. I think his neuro transmitters must have some sort of glitch. Or, maybe he is simply retarded. .

I think it's machismo.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

Eaglecrack is a broken record. If I posted a thread on a good lasagna recipe he'd say I was whining. I think his neuro transmitters must have some sort of glitch. Or, maybe he is simply retarded. .

More whining
 
Ludlow
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Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

yep. I think the invention of sin was the most brilliant of business schemes. You can charge what ever you want and there is no way for anyone to prove them wrong and collect a refund. Brilliant.

Look at Joel Olsteen. Lives an extravagant life all on the dime of those who are afraid that death might be the end and that life is hard for no reason other then it is hard.

People like Osteen depend on guilt and fear to make their fortunes. I believe Jesus taught just the opposite. But his teachings were bastardized by those who came after him.

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

More whining

more stupidity
 
Danbones
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lol
maybe those are the ones that are here before him
Go, god, goth, dog, an' all
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Evolve is one thing. Wisdom is completely different ... and seems to be stuck in reverse.

Take your eyes off the right wing religious nut cases. There are two things going on at all times; Yin/Yang. The Universe is always seeking balance. For every one who lowers his IQ to that of a knuckle dragger, one other raises above it all. There is no god separate from everything in the Universe. The Universe created itself and we are made of the same stuff as the Universe.
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

People like Osteen depend on guilt and fear to make their fortunes. I believe Jesus taught just the opposite. But his teachings were bastardized by those who came after him.

I don't see how his "flock" can't see what's going on. He must be very careful which things he gives sermons on...
 
Danbones
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god wants one to be successful with the root of all evil
 
Curious Cdn
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Do you believe in a source of all that exists?

How about a singularity, fourteen billion years back?
 
Danbones
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AN AGE CRISIS?

If we compare the two age determinations, there is a potential crisis. If the universe is flat, and dominated by ordinary or dark matter, the age of the universe as inferred from the Hubble constant would be about 9 billion years. The age of the universe would be shorter than the age of oldest stars. This contradiction implies that either 1) our measurement of the Hubble constant is incorrect, 2) the Big Bang theory is incorrect or 3) that we need a form of matter like a cosmological constant that implies an older age for a given observed expansion rate.
https://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_age.html
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Take your eyes off the right wing religious nut cases. There are two things going on at all times; Yin/Yang. The Universe is always seeking balance. For every one who lowers his IQ to that of a knuckle dragger, one other raises above it all. There is no god separate from everything in the Universe. The Universe created itself and we are made of the same stuff as the Universe.

Maybe some day you'll meet the happy Cliffy?
 
Ludlow
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Quote: Originally Posted by DanbonesView Post

AN AGE CRISIS?

If we compare the two age determinations, there is a potential crisis. If the universe is flat, and dominated by ordinary or dark matter, the age of the universe as inferred from the Hubble constant would be about 9 billion years. The age of the universe would be shorter than the age of oldest stars. This contradiction implies that either 1) our measurement of the Hubble constant is incorrect, 2) the Big Bang theory is incorrect or 3) that we need a form of matter like a cosmological constant that implies an older age for a given observed expansion rate.
https://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_age.html

Yes that's all very impressive.

Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

I don't see how his "flock" can't see what's going on. He must be very careful which things he gives sermons on...

Because people want to believe in something and are vulnerable prey for the parasites.
 
petros
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All you have to do is believe. No more, no less.

Why is that so hard.
 
Danbones
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you do the best you can with what you got
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

Yes that's all very impressive.


Because people want to believe in something and are vulnerable prey for the parasites.

 
Ludlow
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Hope and forgiveness for sale.
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post


Because people want to believe in something and are vulnerable prey for the parasites.

Exactly. What started off as superstition to explain natural events has morphed into a crutch for a few billion people. And just like any crutch, this one is likely to cost you as well.
I mean think about it for a minute. People throwing "offerings" into the collection plate aren't all that far removed from cave men killing an elk and sacrificing it as an offering to some now unknown god(s). In the literal sense today's fool may not be slaughtering an animal but he/she is still "sacrificing" some of their hard-earned dough to appease a non-existent entity.
And considering the scale of our universe, even if there is some kind of creator out there I'm pretty sure it's not keeping attendance at churches/mosques/synagogues. And I'm pretty damn sure it doesn't give a flying fig how much money you think you're giving it.

Galileo, despite being a fairly devout believer also said, "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
Now, it's one thing to believe in something more than just what we experience here on Earth as physical entities. But to blindly put your faith in a religion, or any single ideology for that matter, one has to forego one's sense, reasoning and intellect.
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post



Because people want to believe in something and are vulnerable prey for the parasites.

Yes, I think you're right. I've read several times from believers "if you don't believe in a god, then what have you to live for?" I guess is gives some a reason to continue on.

Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

Hope and forgiveness for sale.

Humans are so smart and yet...
 

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