Quote: Originally Posted by El Barto
This is such a flaw that goes miles above a religious mind set. To think some one has no God in their life they are lost an immoral yet everything they do is to 'please' their god? It is the Christian thing to do? Wouldn't it have way more meaning to do good for the sake of doing good , because you found it in your heart to do good then to do it for some other reason?
Why did you do this good deed?
--- Because I was told to.
--- Because I felt it in my heart it was the best thing to do.
Which has more depth and meaning?
There may be an unsaid fear about atheists, for there is nothing restricting how they should think and fear. Hell life has its own baggage's who needs to add more to it?
The reason why I do not believe in the concept of god is that you always hear what he is about through the word of man...... how many times have we were steered wrong by that? The moment you first hear about that the feeling a fear sets in. There are so many unseen things to fear, what to do?
The concept of God right off the bat separates you. You are meant to be nothing , not worthy, shame, for what? Being human? Being born? No , I do not buy this. Someone is always around to tell you how it should be.... yeah right , my trust in humanity and how it thinks is in an all time low.
For those who think this is our life and when it is done that is it ! I don't buy that too. If you base your thoughts on science no energy is ever lost, it is just transformed into something else.... wouldn't that be possible with the consciousness also?
Creation or the big bang.... bottom line we all came from the same source. Our elements that make our bodies are renewed , recycled by the ingestion of the elements around us, elements that are form of energy and that energy that was always around.
Believing in something is a choice, if that choice imprisons you to think and make you feel in a certain way as to discriminate, ridicule, and hate your fellow man/ woman, then maybe just maybe it is just flawed to the core. There is so much to explore about the world and the universe, it is wide open to the things we can add to our knowledge, so why funnel a mind into a very narrow form of thinking?
hhmmm It's a bit scary to me that I just thought how much knowledge and understanding could have been gained by humans if their minds had been open to accept discoveries that challenged the dogmas of religions. EG, would those researchers that found the building blocks of life on meteorite fragments that landed here on Earth gone any farther if they had been religionists? Or would they have killed the information because it challenged the religious idea of creation of life here? We may not have been introduced to the idea that those bits of protein and RNA and stuff actually were what created life on this planet.
Anyway, politics and religion to me, generate and harbor ignorance or at least have the potential to do so.
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream
Right irrational. With out an origin or destination.. without a pattern or grammar or reference point onto which a rational structure can adhere.. everything devolves into a subjective, amorphous, relativistic swamp of superstition.
Nah. It only seems like that to you. The superstition here originates with humans' tendency to blame everything we don't understand on some god or other. Science shows us the basis of the universe is real and laws (the REAL natural laws) govern everything in it. So cling desperately to your imaginary father figure if you wish, but it isn't reason that causes you to cling to it.
One of the great deceptions of atheism is that its proponents see everything with a clarity unburdened by the 'invisible' and therefor nonexistent supernatural sphere. What really happens is atheism becomes a free floating sophistry, a closed, solely self-referenced solitude.. utterly illogical. This now defines such pseudo sciences as modern cosmology.. as well as the occult systems you referenced. All of them are products of atheism
lmao Sorry, but the occult beliefs, beliefs in the invisible, nonexistent, and intangible are the purvues of the faithful. Indeed, why would they need faith if they knew their gremlins were real?
GK Chesterton, the great Catholic journalist and novelist of the early 20th Century, rightly asserted that those who choose to believe in Nothing.. end up believing in Anything.
He's probably right.Personally, I believe in reality and the spirit of science to keep humanity from the depths of ignorance. And I would believe in anything if this anything followed the laws of the universe.
And if you are so happy and confident in your (dis)Belief, LG, one wonders why you become so defensive and discombobulated by the notion of a God.. it seems that you are far more threatened by the prospect of a 'Judgement Day' than I am.
It's not me that's discombobulated, pilgrim. But yes, I will defend science and reality against ignorance, irrationality, and foolishness.
So keep lying to yourself and others that your fictions are real and logical. Keep believing in the supernatural and inexplicable. It's entertaining and keeps drawing me back to point out the inconsistencies and fallibilities.
Last edited by L Gilbert; Feb 1st, 2014 at 04:20 PM..