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December 4th, 2007, 06:01 AM
Dove is owned by Unilever, who also owns Axe.
So the Dove ad is just Unilever "complaining" about how its objectifying women in its own ads, running at that very same moment.
Quoting Zan
Sadly on a side note, thats all just empty marketing buzz. The market wants to talk about the evil beauty industry, so Dove talks about it the evil beautry industry.
I like the tact Dove ™ has been taking in recent years - I hope they can help establish a new standard - they've aimed their advertising towards a process of celebrating what makes all women unique and real - which is a great first step. Check this out.
Dove is owned by Unilever, who also owns Axe.
So the Dove ad is just Unilever "complaining" about how its objectifying women in its own ads, running at that very same moment.
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December 4th, 2007, 07:04 AM
Cool sequence on You Tube. Nothing sinister, just the fact Jack. When the truth is told, and the consumer still complains, the consumer has been tested and proved to prefer a lie.
Mind you, I have no sound, too 21st century, so maybe the audio may be evil.
Cool sequence on You Tube. Nothing sinister, just the fact Jack. When the truth is told, and the consumer still complains, the consumer has been tested and proved to prefer a lie.
Mind you, I have no sound, too 21st century, so maybe the audio may be evil.
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December 4th, 2007, 08:47 AM
Quoting Zzarchov
Isn't that a strange thing for a responsible corporation to be involved in?
Sadly on a side note, thats all just empty marketing buzz. The market wants to talk about the evil beauty industry, so Dove talks about it the evil beautry industry.
Dove is owned by Unilever, who also owns Axe.
So the Dove ad is just Unilever "complaining" about how its objectifying women in its own ads, running at that very same moment.
Dove is owned by Unilever, who also owns Axe.
So the Dove ad is just Unilever "complaining" about how its objectifying women in its own ads, running at that very same moment.
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December 4th, 2007, 10:08 AM
"... all women should cease shaving their legs and underarms immediately to protest the media circus that surrounds image."
I think that armpit hair is sexy, if it is attached to the right woman. In fact, I think that just about everything is sexy, if it is attached to the right woman.
It is only logical, by Karrie channeling DB extension, that women should stop bathing and perhaps smear s..t all over themselves. Make the media pay! Ya, that'll do it. They'll be sorry, those media bastards!
That's too dark Karrie. Getting anything a little more beavery?
"... all women should cease shaving their legs and underarms immediately to protest the media circus that surrounds image."
I think that armpit hair is sexy, if it is attached to the right woman. In fact, I think that just about everything is sexy, if it is attached to the right woman.
It is only logical, by Karrie channeling DB extension, that women should stop bathing and perhaps smear s..t all over themselves. Make the media pay! Ya, that'll do it. They'll be sorry, those media bastards!
That's too dark Karrie. Getting anything a little more beavery?
December 4th, 2007, 04:19 PM
I've been encouraged to stop shaving by friends before for various reasons.... "It's liberating", etc. I just smiled and nodded... no way in hell I'm gonna quit shaving anything that I currently shave. Nuh-uh.
Quoting jimshort19
I think doing anything with your appearance simply because someone else told you you should is a bit ridiculous.
"... all women should cease shaving their legs and underarms immediately to protest the media circus that surrounds image."
I think that armpit hair is sexy, if it is attached to the right woman. In fact, I think that just about everything is sexy, if it is attached to the right woman.
It is only logical, by Karrie channeling DB extension, that women should stop bathing and perhaps smear s..t all over themselves. Make the media pay! Ya, that'll do it. They'll be sorry, those media bastards!
That's too dark Karrie. Getting anything a little more beavery?
I think that armpit hair is sexy, if it is attached to the right woman. In fact, I think that just about everything is sexy, if it is attached to the right woman.
It is only logical, by Karrie channeling DB extension, that women should stop bathing and perhaps smear s..t all over themselves. Make the media pay! Ya, that'll do it. They'll be sorry, those media bastards!
That's too dark Karrie. Getting anything a little more beavery?
I've been encouraged to stop shaving by friends before for various reasons.... "It's liberating", etc. I just smiled and nodded... no way in hell I'm gonna quit shaving anything that I currently shave. Nuh-uh.
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December 4th, 2007, 05:58 PM
Karrie you mentioned an interest in anthropology some time ago. You know that little Venus figurine from the neolithic. That was at one time considered femenine perfection. What can we attribute to the difference between todays industrial women and yesterdays goddess? Can we discuss the last thirty or forty thousand with respect to feminine beauty over the eons.
When humans had fine pelts women must have been nice then as well.
Karrie you mentioned an interest in anthropology some time ago. You know that little Venus figurine from the neolithic. That was at one time considered femenine perfection. What can we attribute to the difference between todays industrial women and yesterdays goddess? Can we discuss the last thirty or forty thousand with respect to feminine beauty over the eons.
When humans had fine pelts women must have been nice then as well.
December 4th, 2007, 06:20 PM
lol... I'll have to come back to it on a day when I'm thinking clearer beaver.
My best explanation is that society tends to idealize the average women in their era. They are the ideal, because they're available and represent health by being neither the biggest nor the smallest.
The problem we've run into is that now, due to the way we staff our entertainment and advertising industry, the small percentage of extremely well built, slim women, are the ones that we see throughout the day, moreso than the typical person on the street. Thus, they become the average in our minds, the ones to idealize.
lol... I'll have to come back to it on a day when I'm thinking clearer beaver.
My best explanation is that society tends to idealize the average women in their era. They are the ideal, because they're available and represent health by being neither the biggest nor the smallest.
The problem we've run into is that now, due to the way we staff our entertainment and advertising industry, the small percentage of extremely well built, slim women, are the ones that we see throughout the day, moreso than the typical person on the street. Thus, they become the average in our minds, the ones to idealize.
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December 4th, 2007, 06:22 PM
Quoting karrie
O/K take it easy, but think about a slide presentation of archilogical exhibits representing the feminine ideal at intervals of whatever you know
lol... I'll have to come back to it on a day when I'm thinking clearer beaver.
My best explanation is that society tends to idealize the average women in their era. They are the ideal, because they're available and represent health by being neither the biggest nor the smallest.
The problem we've run into is that now, due to the way we staff our entertainment and advertising industry, the small percentage of extremely well built, slim women, are the ones that we see throughout the day, moreso than the typical person on the street. Thus, they become the average in our minds, the ones to idealize.
My best explanation is that society tends to idealize the average women in their era. They are the ideal, because they're available and represent health by being neither the biggest nor the smallest.
The problem we've run into is that now, due to the way we staff our entertainment and advertising industry, the small percentage of extremely well built, slim women, are the ones that we see throughout the day, moreso than the typical person on the street. Thus, they become the average in our minds, the ones to idealize.
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December 5th, 2007, 06:10 AM
As a side note: Venus was not an average women.
Most people at those time periods were scrawny and malnurished, attaining the perfection of beauty then was hard for anyone but the wealthy.
Definitions of beauty tend to follow what looks like (even if not true) you are healthiest. In a time where obesity is common and constantly reinforced as a sign of ill health, it is no wonder perceptions for many have shifted to "Thin = fit = beautiful". Whether or not its true , its what goes into peoples minds.
As a side note: Venus was not an average women.
Most people at those time periods were scrawny and malnurished, attaining the perfection of beauty then was hard for anyone but the wealthy.
Definitions of beauty tend to follow what looks like (even if not true) you are healthiest. In a time where obesity is common and constantly reinforced as a sign of ill health, it is no wonder perceptions for many have shifted to "Thin = fit = beautiful". Whether or not its true , its what goes into peoples minds.
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December 5th, 2007, 12:31 PM
Anyway, the test proved conclusively that infants gravitated toward the people that were generally deemed beutiful by discerning adults. The study found that our ideas of beauty are not learned, but a condition of our being.
Interesting, huh?
Quoting Zzarchov
Interesting thing about beauty, is that we are born with our ideas of what is and is not beautiful. I recall a study on beauty that used infants as test subjects. The test was to see whether infants would find the same people beautiful as adults do. The idea being that infants would have little or no external influences.
As a side note: Venus was not an average women.
Most people at those time periods were scrawny and malnurished, attaining the perfection of beauty then was hard for anyone but the wealthy.
Definitions of beauty tend to follow what looks like (even if not true) you are healthiest. In a time where obesity is common and constantly reinforced as a sign of ill health, it is no wonder perceptions for many have shifted to "Thin = fit = beautiful". Whether or not its true , its what goes into peoples minds.
Most people at those time periods were scrawny and malnurished, attaining the perfection of beauty then was hard for anyone but the wealthy.
Definitions of beauty tend to follow what looks like (even if not true) you are healthiest. In a time where obesity is common and constantly reinforced as a sign of ill health, it is no wonder perceptions for many have shifted to "Thin = fit = beautiful". Whether or not its true , its what goes into peoples minds.
Anyway, the test proved conclusively that infants gravitated toward the people that were generally deemed beutiful by discerning adults. The study found that our ideas of beauty are not learned, but a condition of our being.
Interesting, huh?
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December 5th, 2007, 12:57 PM
I don't have conventional ideas about beauty in women, beauty is not just a surface condition I have found that paint and clothes are to often substituted for personality , humour and grace.
I don't have conventional ideas about beauty in women, beauty is not just a surface condition I have found that paint and clothes are to often substituted for personality , humour and grace.
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December 5th, 2007, 01:27 PM
Quoting warrior_won
That's quite fascinating. I wonder if it's somehow related to an inherent recognition of the 'healthiest' members of the gene pool? I'd be very interested to read that study - do you by any chance have a link or a name of the organization that sponsored that study?
Interesting thing about beauty, is that we are born with our ideas of what is and is not beautiful. I recall a study on beauty that used infants as test subjects. The test was to see whether infants would find the same people beautiful as adults do. The idea being that infants would have little or no external influences.
Anyway, the test proved conclusively that infants gravitated toward the people that were generally deemed beutiful by discerning adults. The study found that our ideas of beauty are not learned, but a condition of our being.
Interesting, huh?
Anyway, the test proved conclusively that infants gravitated toward the people that were generally deemed beutiful by discerning adults. The study found that our ideas of beauty are not learned, but a condition of our being.
Interesting, huh?
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December 5th, 2007, 01:47 PM
I'm sure if you searched Google you'd find the information. I do recall the study revealing that beauty has a lot to do with symmetry. So, there ya go.
Quoting Zan
I don't recall. I actually watched it on television. CBC or Discovery or Discovery Health or something like that. I only watched with passing interest, so I didn't make mental notes on anything.
That's quite fascinating. I wonder if it's somehow related to an inherent recognition of the 'healthiest' members of the gene pool? I'd be very interested to read that study - do you by any chance have a link or a name of the organization that sponsored that study?
I'm sure if you searched Google you'd find the information. I do recall the study revealing that beauty has a lot to do with symmetry. So, there ya go.
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December 5th, 2007, 01:50 PM
I recall a similar flick and symetry was mentioned also discussed was the fact that men are responsible for building the feminine ideal and women the male ideal.
I recall a similar flick and symetry was mentioned also discussed was the fact that men are responsible for building the feminine ideal and women the male ideal.
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December 5th, 2007, 02:43 PM
You can put the shoe on the other foot as well. Men certainly have their ideas on what women are more attractive than others in their personal opinions, but men are otherwise not particular. Men are like male dogs. They just want to fornicate and they'll jump at any opportunity. To suggest that the whole "female ideal" is in anyway male driven is patently absurd. And that's putting it mildly.
Have you ever talked to a female about other females? They're vicious! The pressure on females comes from other females. Period.
Quoting darkbeaver
There's no real evidence to support that. The evidence actually indicates the opposite. Men, for example, have the idea that muscles equal good looks. Women, on the other hand, see overly muscular men as unattractive according to surveys. Yet, men persist in building muscles in their attempt to become attractive. So who is driving that? Is it women? Certainly not! It's men!
... the fact that men are responsible for building the feminine ideal and women the male ideal.
You can put the shoe on the other foot as well. Men certainly have their ideas on what women are more attractive than others in their personal opinions, but men are otherwise not particular. Men are like male dogs. They just want to fornicate and they'll jump at any opportunity. To suggest that the whole "female ideal" is in anyway male driven is patently absurd. And that's putting it mildly.
Have you ever talked to a female about other females? They're vicious! The pressure on females comes from other females. Period.
