Gobsmacked
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December 2nd, 2007, 09:08 PM
I like the tact Dove ™ has been taking in recent years - I hope they can help establish a new standard - they've aimed their advertising towards a process of celebrating what makes all women unique and real - which is a great first step. Check this out.
I like the tact Dove ™ has been taking in recent years - I hope they can help establish a new standard - they've aimed their advertising towards a process of celebrating what makes all women unique and real - which is a great first step. Check this out.
Bright Spark
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December 3rd, 2007, 08:18 AM
Zen, thanks for the welcome. I must have come in through the back door. I didn't see an intro thread.
L Gilbert, I was quoting McLuhan but not meaning anything so enigmatic. English in its own context, a work of language written for an English professor - I have spoken literally.
Perhaps Warrior got out of the wrong side of the bed. Surely we needn't resort to a misogenistic interpretation of his bitterness against feminism. He has simply missed the end of the battle of the sexes. A penile napoleonic complex is a blinding thing.
Finally Amber gets some better balanced grist for her essay. Surely enough is here. But what is the word count target, and when do we see the next draft? I guess it's a popular subject.
I posit that the battle of the sexes ended in profound symbolism at 11:39 A.M. EST January 28, 1986 when a school teacher named Christa McAuliffe rode the rocket to death and stopped the American space program in front of the whole world in the Challenger disaster.
Now we are just cleaning up, acknowledging error, taking additional precaution, and making the path straight for half the human race. Women are not always their own best allies, and the entertainment media is too often a dead ender, abetted by women to the point of self-destruction.
Zen, thanks for the welcome. I must have come in through the back door. I didn't see an intro thread.
L Gilbert, I was quoting McLuhan but not meaning anything so enigmatic. English in its own context, a work of language written for an English professor - I have spoken literally.
Perhaps Warrior got out of the wrong side of the bed. Surely we needn't resort to a misogenistic interpretation of his bitterness against feminism. He has simply missed the end of the battle of the sexes. A penile napoleonic complex is a blinding thing.
Finally Amber gets some better balanced grist for her essay. Surely enough is here. But what is the word count target, and when do we see the next draft? I guess it's a popular subject.
I posit that the battle of the sexes ended in profound symbolism at 11:39 A.M. EST January 28, 1986 when a school teacher named Christa McAuliffe rode the rocket to death and stopped the American space program in front of the whole world in the Challenger disaster.
Now we are just cleaning up, acknowledging error, taking additional precaution, and making the path straight for half the human race. Women are not always their own best allies, and the entertainment media is too often a dead ender, abetted by women to the point of self-destruction.
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December 3rd, 2007, 09:57 AM
very good essay. i agree with all of it.
there is, however a simple solution to the problem: don't read it, and don't let your kids read it.
also, i'd like to point out that "it's" is a contraction of "it is" and not the way to show that something belongs to "it" (you use "its" there).
very good essay. i agree with all of it.
there is, however a simple solution to the problem: don't read it, and don't let your kids read it.
also, i'd like to point out that "it's" is a contraction of "it is" and not the way to show that something belongs to "it" (you use "its" there).
Sunshine
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Location: Vancouver Island
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December 3rd, 2007, 11:12 AM
There was no word count, it was supposed to be about a 6 page essay, double spaced. It was not meant to be the final word, and with such a small limit there's no way I could stuff anything else into it. It was a draft, the final copy is in the hands of my english professor. The essay posted was already proofread, and so whatever punctuation/spelling errors were present were already eliminated way before I put it up for scrutiny.
There was no word count, it was supposed to be about a 6 page essay, double spaced. It was not meant to be the final word, and with such a small limit there's no way I could stuff anything else into it. It was a draft, the final copy is in the hands of my english professor. The essay posted was already proofread, and so whatever punctuation/spelling errors were present were already eliminated way before I put it up for scrutiny.
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December 3rd, 2007, 02:56 PM
Quoting jimshort19
Hi I'm darkbeaver, nice to met you, can I get you some tea or coffee. I was curious about your suggestion that a profoundly symbolic event for women had occured 11.39 AM EST January 28/86. I posit that Margaret Meade or Golda Mier or one of thousands of other women throughout history would have preceeded the wreak victim.
Zen, thanks for the welcome. I must have come in through the back door. I didn't see an intro thread.
L Gilbert, I was quoting McLuhan but not meaning anything so enigmatic. English in its own context, a work of language written for an English professor - I have spoken literally.
Perhaps Warrior got out of the wrong side of the bed. Surely we needn't resort to a misogenistic interpretation of his bitterness against feminism. He has simply missed the end of the battle of the sexes. A penile napoleonic complex is a blinding thing.
Finally Amber gets some better balanced grist for her essay. Surely enough is here. But what is the word count target, and when do we see the next draft? I guess it's a popular subject.
I posit that the battle of the sexes ended in profound symbolism at 11:39 A.M. EST January 28, 1986 when a school teacher named Christa McAuliffe rode the rocket to death and stopped the American space program in front of the whole world in the Challenger disaster.
Now we are just cleaning up, acknowledging error, taking additional precaution, and making the path straight for half the human race. Women are not always their own best allies, and the entertainment media is too often a dead ender, abetted by women to the point of self-destruction.
L Gilbert, I was quoting McLuhan but not meaning anything so enigmatic. English in its own context, a work of language written for an English professor - I have spoken literally.
Perhaps Warrior got out of the wrong side of the bed. Surely we needn't resort to a misogenistic interpretation of his bitterness against feminism. He has simply missed the end of the battle of the sexes. A penile napoleonic complex is a blinding thing.
Finally Amber gets some better balanced grist for her essay. Surely enough is here. But what is the word count target, and when do we see the next draft? I guess it's a popular subject.
I posit that the battle of the sexes ended in profound symbolism at 11:39 A.M. EST January 28, 1986 when a school teacher named Christa McAuliffe rode the rocket to death and stopped the American space program in front of the whole world in the Challenger disaster.
Now we are just cleaning up, acknowledging error, taking additional precaution, and making the path straight for half the human race. Women are not always their own best allies, and the entertainment media is too often a dead ender, abetted by women to the point of self-destruction.
Bright Spark
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December 3rd, 2007, 03:29 PM
Yes, of course, but not at the end of things, not so graphically, not so symbollically. The majority of Americans heard the news within perhaps 30 minutes, a million a minute, then tens of millions an hour, and the whole of them and half the human race had seen it with their own eyes before the day was out. It was a human sacrifice on a technological altar, an innocent yet aware young school marm, on a missile made by men. Like Franklin of the north or Scott of the south, her mission was lost, and may be forgotten by many, but her mission was larger, symbolic from the outset, and it was felt.
I heard men say before she left, "She's not even a pilot. She doesn't belong." Then the fire. The battle was finished. I saw them choke, and it became symbolic for me.
Yes, of course, but not at the end of things, not so graphically, not so symbollically. The majority of Americans heard the news within perhaps 30 minutes, a million a minute, then tens of millions an hour, and the whole of them and half the human race had seen it with their own eyes before the day was out. It was a human sacrifice on a technological altar, an innocent yet aware young school marm, on a missile made by men. Like Franklin of the north or Scott of the south, her mission was lost, and may be forgotten by many, but her mission was larger, symbolic from the outset, and it was felt.
I heard men say before she left, "She's not even a pilot. She doesn't belong." Then the fire. The battle was finished. I saw them choke, and it became symbolic for me.
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December 3rd, 2007, 05:38 PM
Quoting jimshort19
I didn't know she was the first female fatality of the space race. Come to think of it I can remember the media lead-up to the launch and the post accident feeding frenzy. I quess I wasn't looking for any deeper symbolism. Thank-you
Yes, of course, but not at the end of things, not so graphically, not so symbollically. The majority of Americans heard the news within perhaps 30 minutes, a million a minute, then tens of millions an hour, and the whole of them and half the human race had seen it with their own eyes before the day was out. It was a human sacrifice on a technological altar, an innocent yet aware young school marm, on a missile made by men. Like Franklin of the north or Scott of the south, her mission was lost, and may be forgotten by many, but her mission was larger, symbolic from the outset, and it was felt.
I heard men say before she left, "She's not even a pilot. She doesn't belong." Then the fire. The battle was finished. I saw them choke, and it became symbolic for me.
I heard men say before she left, "She's not even a pilot. She doesn't belong." Then the fire. The battle was finished. I saw them choke, and it became symbolic for me.
December 3rd, 2007, 06:03 PM
I love the net. So many views of things that you wouldn't get anywhere else.
Warrior... you pointed out that media isn't the only one to blame, that women have been modifying themselves for ages without a 'media' influence, and it's a very good point. While I don't think it erases the issue, it does show that media works hand in hand with insecurities and compulsions that are there to begin with. Something I never would have really thought about despite my knowledge of the anthropological history of the female image.
And Jim, wow... a way of looking at the explosion that I'd really never considered.
Always nice to have my brain bent in a new direction. Thanks guys.
I love the net. So many views of things that you wouldn't get anywhere else.
Warrior... you pointed out that media isn't the only one to blame, that women have been modifying themselves for ages without a 'media' influence, and it's a very good point. While I don't think it erases the issue, it does show that media works hand in hand with insecurities and compulsions that are there to begin with. Something I never would have really thought about despite my knowledge of the anthropological history of the female image.
And Jim, wow... a way of looking at the explosion that I'd really never considered.
Always nice to have my brain bent in a new direction. Thanks guys.
Hawkings former plumber
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December 3rd, 2007, 08:04 PM
December 3rd, 2007, 08:48 PM
Ooo, that sounds like a fun idea.
"What point was darkbeaver trying to make about the beauty backlash?"
I think he was saying that all women should cease shaving their legs and underarms immediately to protest the media circus that surrounds image.
Yeah, that's what it was.
Ooo, that sounds like a fun idea.
"What point was darkbeaver trying to make about the beauty backlash?"
I think he was saying that all women should cease shaving their legs and underarms immediately to protest the media circus that surrounds image.
Yeah, that's what it was.
Gobsmacked
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Location: Edmonton AB
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December 3rd, 2007, 09:12 PM
ohhhh speaking of shaving, perhaps DarkBeaver was trying to relay this news to us:
Women world wide who are opposed to President Bush have been making a "hidden" beauty statement by shaving their nether regions in solidarity of their message: "No more Bush"
Oh dear, this isn't wreck beach is it?
ohhhh speaking of shaving, perhaps DarkBeaver was trying to relay this news to us:
Women world wide who are opposed to President Bush have been making a "hidden" beauty statement by shaving their nether regions in solidarity of their message: "No more Bush"
Oh dear, this isn't wreck beach is it?
