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December 15th, 2007, 01:01 AM
Quoting MikeyDB
Because they are cheap and no one asks questions. In high school I was offered a revolver for a hundred bucks, the seller wanted to buy crack. I am sure the gun was not registered and was probably smuggled or stolen.
Why would any Canadian want to purchase a smuggled gun?
Super Genius
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December 15th, 2007, 07:29 AM
Some people might be interested to know that many states here still have open carry laws, some with hand guns, and others that only pertain to rifles and shotguns. Which means, barring any city or county ordinances, you can walk down mainstreet with your handgun in a holster, visible on your hip, or with your shotgun hanging from your shoulder.
I wouldn't recommend either however, I suspect it would make the unarmed very nervous, or just might get you preemptively shot by one of the thousands of concealed carriers roaming the streets. Common sense should dictate where a person should carry, but thats just not an option for some people.
Some people might be interested to know that many states here still have open carry laws, some with hand guns, and others that only pertain to rifles and shotguns. Which means, barring any city or county ordinances, you can walk down mainstreet with your handgun in a holster, visible on your hip, or with your shotgun hanging from your shoulder.
I wouldn't recommend either however, I suspect it would make the unarmed very nervous, or just might get you preemptively shot by one of the thousands of concealed carriers roaming the streets. Common sense should dictate where a person should carry, but thats just not an option for some people.
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December 15th, 2007, 09:05 AM
Could you imagine what the media circus that would surround that? The headlines would read something like this: Canadian Government Seeks To Lynch Law Abiding American Citizens!
Wouldn't be good for relations, I'd bet.
Quoting Unforgiven
Why would the U.S. extradite a law abiding citizen? Good luck trying to get the U.S. to extradite an American citizen who didn't do anything wrong.
Why don't we have the US extradite those gun store owners who we feel are selling guns illegally that find their way into Canada? It's not a secret that you can fairly easily go to a gun store or gun show and buy a weapon to smuggle over the border. The CBC or CTV did a show on that not too long ago.
I would see about changing Canadian law to include the dealer of the weapon brought into Canada to stand trial as an accomplice to any homicide committed with those weapons.
I would see about changing Canadian law to include the dealer of the weapon brought into Canada to stand trial as an accomplice to any homicide committed with those weapons.
Could you imagine what the media circus that would surround that? The headlines would read something like this: Canadian Government Seeks To Lynch Law Abiding American Citizens!
Wouldn't be good for relations, I'd bet.
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December 15th, 2007, 09:08 AM
And those are really the people that we're concerned about, right? We're not concerned with law abiding citizens having guns for subsistence or recreation. We're concerned with criminals having guns for unlawful purposes.
The answer to the question, by the way, is twofold:
1) They're cheaper. Especially if they've already been used in a crime prior to sale.
2) It's the only way most criminals can get a gun.
Quoting MikeyDB
Better question: Why would any criminal buy a smuggled gun?
Why would any Canadian want to purchase a smuggled gun?
And those are really the people that we're concerned about, right? We're not concerned with law abiding citizens having guns for subsistence or recreation. We're concerned with criminals having guns for unlawful purposes.
The answer to the question, by the way, is twofold:
1) They're cheaper. Especially if they've already been used in a crime prior to sale.
2) It's the only way most criminals can get a gun.
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December 15th, 2007, 09:16 AM
Reason 3? An illegal, unregistered, smuggled gun can't be seized.
Quoting warrior_won
A lot of people are criminals only because of the guns they possess. My guess is only about 70% of the long guns in Canada have been registered, and there are a hell of a lot of unregistered restricted weapons out there too...........I remember when the government banned the "riot gun" model of the Benelli semi-auto shotgun back in the early 90s, and then bragged about how some 40 of these dangerous weaponss had been duly registered with the gov't........funny thing is, I knew a small gunshop owner in rural NB......he told me he ALONE had sold 15 of the weapons..........
Better question: Why would any criminal buy a smuggled gun?
And those are really the people that we're concerned about, right? We're not concerned with law abiding citizens having guns for subsistence or recreation. We're concerned with criminals having guns for unlawful purposes.
The answer to the question, by the way, is twofold:
1) They're cheaper. Especially if they've already been used in a crime prior to sale.
2) It's the only way most criminals can get a gun.
And those are really the people that we're concerned about, right? We're not concerned with law abiding citizens having guns for subsistence or recreation. We're concerned with criminals having guns for unlawful purposes.
The answer to the question, by the way, is twofold:
1) They're cheaper. Especially if they've already been used in a crime prior to sale.
2) It's the only way most criminals can get a gun.
Reason 3? An illegal, unregistered, smuggled gun can't be seized.
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December 15th, 2007, 09:26 AM
Maybe they just checked the gun registry and saw that he wasn't a registered gun owner. The cops probably just put two and two together. You know, if he's not registered, he must not have a gun.
Quoting Colpy
I know a guy who verbally threatened to shoot someone with a firearm. He was arrested and got a 10 year firearms ban. The funny thing about it though, is that when the police arrested him, they didn't even check to see if he owned a gun. Isn't that bizzare?
A lot of people are criminals only because of the guns they possess. My guess is only about 70% of the long guns in Canada have been registered, and there are a hell of a lot of unregistered restricted weapons out there too...........I remember when the government banned the "riot gun" model of the Benelli semi-auto shotgun back in the early 90s, and then bragged about how some 40 of these dangerous weaponss had been duly registered with the gov't........funny thing is, I knew a small gunshop owner in rural NB......he told me he ALONE had sold 15 of the weapons..........
Reason 3? An illegal, unregistered, smuggled gun can't be seized.
Reason 3? An illegal, unregistered, smuggled gun can't be seized.
Maybe they just checked the gun registry and saw that he wasn't a registered gun owner. The cops probably just put two and two together. You know, if he's not registered, he must not have a gun.
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December 15th, 2007, 10:31 AM
Warrior_won
It's only bizarre if we didn't believe that this behavior was indeed plausible and possible. Because there is a market for untraceable firearms, it wouldn't matter if a person owns a registered firearm or not, the salient issue is that someone who "intends" to procure a firearm and kill someone with it is a threat.
My question regarding why anyone would purchase a smuggled gun was merely a seed...
Do the dynamics that lead-up-to the desperation of choosing to use a firearm to kill somone (or many as seen in our "learning institutions) represent the root causes of criminal violence or is it just the "gun"...?
I've said this before and I'll say it again. The government of Canada is playing fast and loose with the whole issue of "gun registries" and "gun-control" not as serious strategies to ensuring that firearms are managed and owned responsbily but as panacea for a much greater and wide-spread malaise throughout "civilized" society. The message is "Look at the gun as the source and effecter in criminality and don't look any further.."
It's a sham to focus on fireams as the causal element when drugs, a corrupt business and legal system, poverty and so many other conditions obtain in a "free and democratic society"...
It's whitewash that has the ability to bamboozle the sheeple and give their thirty second attention spans something to focus on while the greater injustices and social ills wreck havoc throughout our noble enterprise.
It's simply another iteration of the shell game...
Warrior_won
It's only bizarre if we didn't believe that this behavior was indeed plausible and possible. Because there is a market for untraceable firearms, it wouldn't matter if a person owns a registered firearm or not, the salient issue is that someone who "intends" to procure a firearm and kill someone with it is a threat.
My question regarding why anyone would purchase a smuggled gun was merely a seed...
Do the dynamics that lead-up-to the desperation of choosing to use a firearm to kill somone (or many as seen in our "learning institutions) represent the root causes of criminal violence or is it just the "gun"...?
I've said this before and I'll say it again. The government of Canada is playing fast and loose with the whole issue of "gun registries" and "gun-control" not as serious strategies to ensuring that firearms are managed and owned responsbily but as panacea for a much greater and wide-spread malaise throughout "civilized" society. The message is "Look at the gun as the source and effecter in criminality and don't look any further.."
It's a sham to focus on fireams as the causal element when drugs, a corrupt business and legal system, poverty and so many other conditions obtain in a "free and democratic society"...
It's whitewash that has the ability to bamboozle the sheeple and give their thirty second attention spans something to focus on while the greater injustices and social ills wreck havoc throughout our noble enterprise.
It's simply another iteration of the shell game...
