February 9th, 2007, 04:23 PM
Quoting hermanntrude
I'm still waiting for his reply. Maybe he really is thinking about it? Nah. LOL
that's my point. His right to dictate the terms of when it's OK notwithstanding, I say we do NOT have birth control in 100% terms.
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February 9th, 2007, 04:24 PM
never expect people to think. you'd just be setting yourself up for disappointment. that's true of me too.
never expect people to think. you'd just be setting yourself up for disappointment. that's true of me too.
February 9th, 2007, 04:29 PM
Quoting hermanntrude
Posting here has both lowered my veiw of my fellow humans and rasised it at the same time.
never expect people to think. you'd just be setting yourself up for disappointment. that's true of me too.
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February 9th, 2007, 04:33 PM
hahaha ditto
hahaha ditto
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February 9th, 2007, 04:42 PM
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LOL I was a newbie once too LOLLLLLLL
This is a quick self proxie, go to start - control panel - network connections - open the properties for your ethernet connection then open the properties for the TCP-IP stack. Manually set your ip address to 127.0.0.1 close the windows and your good to go.
If that doesn't work hit alt F-4 repeatedly. If your comp crashes turn back on and repeat above procedure. It sometimes take a number of times to get the comp to understand.
If that doesn't work hit alt F-4 repeatedly. If your comp crashes turn back on and repeat above procedure. It sometimes take a number of times to get the comp to understand.
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February 9th, 2007, 04:43 PM
i have no idea what that stuff means
i have no idea what that stuff means
February 9th, 2007, 04:53 PM
Quoting hermanntrude
That's good. Don't do it. As a learniong adventure you could try the alt F-4 thing. Won't hurt any.
i have no idea what that stuff means
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February 9th, 2007, 04:55 PM
lol i know what alt F4 does. I know most of the keyboard shortcuts. I just dont really understand what a proxy is or why i'd need it.
lol i know what alt F4 does. I know most of the keyboard shortcuts. I just dont really understand what a proxy is or why i'd need it.
February 9th, 2007, 04:59 PM
Quoting hermanntrude
Actully I don't either, I know it's used for online gamming but those settings are the alt F-4 equivalent for you ethernet connection. LOL <grin>
lol i know what alt F4 does. I know most of the keyboard shortcuts. I just dont really understand what a proxy is or why i'd need it.
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February 9th, 2007, 05:03 PM
so i'm assuming westmanguy was asking for something he shouldnt really have, and so the response from durkadurka was to give him somethign that'd temporarily mess him up, right?
so i'm assuming westmanguy was asking for something he shouldnt really have, and so the response from durkadurka was to give him somethign that'd temporarily mess him up, right?
February 9th, 2007, 05:06 PM
Quoting hermanntrude
Yeah, it was the Rawisbetter dude who started the thread. Durka told him it was not a good thing to do, download a free proxie, but he kept asking so Durka gave those instructions, but he asked again so I took it upon myself to give it to him again.
so i'm assuming westmanguy was asking for something he shouldnt really have, and so the response from durkadurka was to give him somethign that'd temporarily mess him up, right?
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February 9th, 2007, 05:08 PM
ok i see
why is a free proxy a bad thing? is it bad for you or bad in that it allows naughtiness to be performed?
ok i see
why is a free proxy a bad thing? is it bad for you or bad in that it allows naughtiness to be performed?
February 9th, 2007, 05:13 PM
Quoting hermanntrude
Security risk. You have to open a port to do it and that is a hole to your comp. so if it's free whats in it for them? I am not sure. I'm sure Durka will set us straight in the long run.
ok i see
why is a free proxy a bad thing? is it bad for you or bad in that it allows naughtiness to be performed?
why is a free proxy a bad thing? is it bad for you or bad in that it allows naughtiness to be performed?
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February 10th, 2007, 12:35 AM
[quote=westmanguy;782802]Ok, if we didn't have birth control like today, then abortion would be valid.
If you don't believe in abortion, it should have nothing to do with birth control being available or not.
I would think you would be thinking of the life of the embryo first.
But if your just a stupid person who got drunk and got pregnant, you should have the baby, then give it up.
A stupid drunk person becoming pregnant is the last person who should be having a baby, choosing
an early abortion is wise, then get pregnant after you get over your drunken stupid life.
People that defend the right to choose abortion, usually, themselves would NEVER EVER do that to their own child.
I am the mother of four daughters and would choose abortion for me if it was the right choice at
that time "for me".
Most woman, most, (unless they are rapes), wouldn't want to abort, but have the baby and give it up or keep it.
You can't decide what other people think, you don't know.
People defend the right, but they know themselves they could never bring themselves to abort personally.
Again, choosing for others, you don't know what they would do.
So we ALL defend the right of abortion, if your forced, ill, or mentally uncapable.
You don't know what all people do.
But people fluff on abortion for people who did not protect themselves or submitted themselves under the influence.
Again, people have the right to choose what is right for them, (in the first 6 weeks)
To me if your that stupid, don't make the baby the next mistake.
I don't get this! You only bare responsibilty to the baby while its in you.
I would agree, after 6 wks into pregnancy.
After its born you can put it in social services and never look back BUT PEOPLE RATHER KILL IT AND NOT GO THROUGH 9 MONTHS.
Too many people when giving their opinion on this issue,skip right through the nine months pregnancy and birth, and don't have a clue to the impact it has on the mother to be, and when a full term baby is born, I would think that in most cases a new mother could never give her baby up for adoption, that "also" is said far too "lightly' as though one can do that with a "ho hum" attitude. The difference between a "6 wk pregnancy" and anew born baby is like "night and day".
What amazes me is that "most people agree with birth control 6 wks before pregnancy" but would
not believe in an "abortion up to 6 wks after pregnancy", if you think about it there isn't much
difference, as sperm is "alive' and the egg is "alive", and birth control kills a potential pregnancy,
and spermacidal products kills sperm.
This is where the catholic religion is at least "consistant with their belief" as they don't believe in
either, as it is hypocritical to believe in one and not the other, and I am not religious, just sensible and fair.
[quote=westmanguy;782802]Ok, if we didn't have birth control like today, then abortion would be valid.
If you don't believe in abortion, it should have nothing to do with birth control being available or not.
I would think you would be thinking of the life of the embryo first.
But if your just a stupid person who got drunk and got pregnant, you should have the baby, then give it up.
A stupid drunk person becoming pregnant is the last person who should be having a baby, choosing
an early abortion is wise, then get pregnant after you get over your drunken stupid life.
People that defend the right to choose abortion, usually, themselves would NEVER EVER do that to their own child.
I am the mother of four daughters and would choose abortion for me if it was the right choice at
that time "for me".
Most woman, most, (unless they are rapes), wouldn't want to abort, but have the baby and give it up or keep it.
You can't decide what other people think, you don't know.
People defend the right, but they know themselves they could never bring themselves to abort personally.
Again, choosing for others, you don't know what they would do.
So we ALL defend the right of abortion, if your forced, ill, or mentally uncapable.
You don't know what all people do.
But people fluff on abortion for people who did not protect themselves or submitted themselves under the influence.
Again, people have the right to choose what is right for them, (in the first 6 weeks)
To me if your that stupid, don't make the baby the next mistake.
I don't get this! You only bare responsibilty to the baby while its in you.
I would agree, after 6 wks into pregnancy.
After its born you can put it in social services and never look back BUT PEOPLE RATHER KILL IT AND NOT GO THROUGH 9 MONTHS.
Too many people when giving their opinion on this issue,skip right through the nine months pregnancy and birth, and don't have a clue to the impact it has on the mother to be, and when a full term baby is born, I would think that in most cases a new mother could never give her baby up for adoption, that "also" is said far too "lightly' as though one can do that with a "ho hum" attitude. The difference between a "6 wk pregnancy" and anew born baby is like "night and day".
What amazes me is that "most people agree with birth control 6 wks before pregnancy" but would
not believe in an "abortion up to 6 wks after pregnancy", if you think about it there isn't much
difference, as sperm is "alive' and the egg is "alive", and birth control kills a potential pregnancy,
and spermacidal products kills sperm.
This is where the catholic religion is at least "consistant with their belief" as they don't believe in
either, as it is hypocritical to believe in one and not the other, and I am not religious, just sensible and fair.
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February 10th, 2007, 02:01 PM
Choices are not allowed if they hurt someone else.
I can't CHOOSE to kill someone. Because its a CHOICE that HURTS someone else
I can't CHOOSE to rape someone. Because its a CHOICE that HURTS someone else
So.
I can't CHOOSE to abort my baby. Because its a CHOICE that HURTS someone else
Now the different situations are valid:
If your raped, or if you lover lies to you about himself, and you become pregnent, then you are valid for an abortion. If the boyfriend lies about a visectomy, or he tampers with your birth control, or he lies to you about safe sex. That is not your choice. You have had a baby forced upon you, but in different aspects. One physically harmful, another deceitful.
If your mentally challenged you can't grasp right and wrong, and you can't consent to sex. So if your mentally unchallenged, the person, or its caregiver should have the option to have the child aborted.
If a woman is very ill, and sick and becomes pregnant, and the odds are against her and/or her baby, then an abortion should be valid.
This covers all FAIR circumstances.
BUT:
If you put yourself under the influence to a substance and get pregnant, you should not be able to abort. You should go through the 9 months, have the baby, and put it into social services.
If you were silly and forgot to use protection, or "were in the moment" - same thing.
If their was no deceit or wrong-doing and you had a mishap with the birth control - thats the risks you take when you consent to sex, and you should not be able to abort.
In all these cases a woman can still work for 6-7 months through the pregnancy and then is put out for the last 3-4 months of the pregnancy and birth. Then you bare no responsibilty and you can put it in social services.
Now some might ask: What type of circumstance is that for a child to be brought into the world only to be given up to social services?
To me its better to give a life a chance at something then denying them no chance at all.
I don't understand this, if your not under those 3 categories, why would people want to abort their child instead of temporary inconfort, where you can still work for most of it, then have the birth, and then you bare no more responsibilty?
And don't give me Human Rights, or rights, etc. RIGHTS apply to both sides of this arguement:
1) Denying a woman the right to choose what to do with her body
2) The right to cause cruel and inhuman death to a living being inside you
Rights go both ways here.
A life with bad circumstances is better then no life at all (referring to the baby).
Abortion is probably the biggest genocide of our time. Millions upon millions of lives haven't been given the chance at a life. This is why me and others are so passionate about the issue.
I don't care if I am a man. You may not know this, but there is alot of woman who have the same feelings as me.
And I am not over the top here either: My stance is reasonable. Others would rather see abortion illegal under all circumstances. I don't believe that.
Edit: Other issue to address, that I forgot:
The if you make it illegal, woman will find a way, and an unsafe way.
Do you realize rate now 85% of ALL physicians REFUSE to perform abortions due to ethical standings?
And if abortion is illegal (with some exceptions), then it WILL save more lives, then will be lost, for women taking unsafe routes to rid themselves of it.
And their is always that (disgraceful) Morning after pill, that the women that would want to abort but couldn't because of laws, would get off the black market.
Choices are not allowed if they hurt someone else.
I can't CHOOSE to kill someone. Because its a CHOICE that HURTS someone else
I can't CHOOSE to rape someone. Because its a CHOICE that HURTS someone else
So.
I can't CHOOSE to abort my baby. Because its a CHOICE that HURTS someone else
Now the different situations are valid:
If your raped, or if you lover lies to you about himself, and you become pregnent, then you are valid for an abortion. If the boyfriend lies about a visectomy, or he tampers with your birth control, or he lies to you about safe sex. That is not your choice. You have had a baby forced upon you, but in different aspects. One physically harmful, another deceitful.
If your mentally challenged you can't grasp right and wrong, and you can't consent to sex. So if your mentally unchallenged, the person, or its caregiver should have the option to have the child aborted.
If a woman is very ill, and sick and becomes pregnant, and the odds are against her and/or her baby, then an abortion should be valid.
This covers all FAIR circumstances.
BUT:
If you put yourself under the influence to a substance and get pregnant, you should not be able to abort. You should go through the 9 months, have the baby, and put it into social services.
If you were silly and forgot to use protection, or "were in the moment" - same thing.
If their was no deceit or wrong-doing and you had a mishap with the birth control - thats the risks you take when you consent to sex, and you should not be able to abort.
In all these cases a woman can still work for 6-7 months through the pregnancy and then is put out for the last 3-4 months of the pregnancy and birth. Then you bare no responsibilty and you can put it in social services.
Now some might ask: What type of circumstance is that for a child to be brought into the world only to be given up to social services?
To me its better to give a life a chance at something then denying them no chance at all.
I don't understand this, if your not under those 3 categories, why would people want to abort their child instead of temporary inconfort, where you can still work for most of it, then have the birth, and then you bare no more responsibilty?
And don't give me Human Rights, or rights, etc. RIGHTS apply to both sides of this arguement:
1) Denying a woman the right to choose what to do with her body
2) The right to cause cruel and inhuman death to a living being inside you
Rights go both ways here.
A life with bad circumstances is better then no life at all (referring to the baby).
Abortion is probably the biggest genocide of our time. Millions upon millions of lives haven't been given the chance at a life. This is why me and others are so passionate about the issue.
I don't care if I am a man. You may not know this, but there is alot of woman who have the same feelings as me.
And I am not over the top here either: My stance is reasonable. Others would rather see abortion illegal under all circumstances. I don't believe that.
Edit: Other issue to address, that I forgot:
The if you make it illegal, woman will find a way, and an unsafe way.
Do you realize rate now 85% of ALL physicians REFUSE to perform abortions due to ethical standings?
And if abortion is illegal (with some exceptions), then it WILL save more lives, then will be lost, for women taking unsafe routes to rid themselves of it.
And their is always that (disgraceful) Morning after pill, that the women that would want to abort but couldn't because of laws, would get off the black market.
February 10th, 2007, 02:38 PM
Well regardless of how those who think it is wrong feel, it is legal. It's not genocide unless it is being forced on an entire group of people(ethnicity, race, creed, culture) systematically, which it isn't.
There are lots of other choices that hurt babies which aren't being paid attention to, and these are choices that will affect those babies which are born. Smoking, drinking, ignorant use of prescription drugs, these all affect those babies which will be born.
I think if there is going to be an abortion, it should be done before late term. Really I'd like to see them done before the 40 day mark, but that's not always possible.
The women I know who have had the procedure done are in school, and all of them were using birth control. No method save abstinence is 100% effective. Perhaps they want to avoid post traumatic stress disorder. Anyways, these decisions are theirs to be made not ours.
Well regardless of how those who think it is wrong feel, it is legal. It's not genocide unless it is being forced on an entire group of people(ethnicity, race, creed, culture) systematically, which it isn't.
There are lots of other choices that hurt babies which aren't being paid attention to, and these are choices that will affect those babies which are born. Smoking, drinking, ignorant use of prescription drugs, these all affect those babies which will be born.
I think if there is going to be an abortion, it should be done before late term. Really I'd like to see them done before the 40 day mark, but that's not always possible.
The women I know who have had the procedure done are in school, and all of them were using birth control. No method save abstinence is 100% effective. Perhaps they want to avoid post traumatic stress disorder. Anyways, these decisions are theirs to be made not ours.
