Les
Posts: 6,139 
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
January 23rd, 2007, 06:54 PM
Quoting Tonington
Tofu reminds me of uncooked pancake batter. I'll pass. I don't like zucchini either. It's just filler.
Mmm, that looks good. I eat tofu from time to time, and I actually don't eat that much meat, probably less than I should be eating. I do tend to eat more dairy and whole wheats than they recommend. But that's not because of ethical choices.
January 23rd, 2007, 06:54 PM
Quoting L Gilbert
Well, as some have said allready, if you are so inclined there are free range options. Ever been in a chicken barn, not pleasant conditions. It should be noted also that in modern agricultural courses, future farmers are taught ethics. Overcrowding, living conditions, if you provide a better environment for animals, their stress is lower and there is a direct correlation between stress and yield.
There are? Humans are animals. Other animals kill animals. Cougars kill deers. Bears kill bugs. Cheetahs kill impalas. What ethics?
Les
Posts: 6,139
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
January 23rd, 2007, 06:55 PM
I defy anyone to come up with a tofu dish that can emulate a good braised moose steak or elk steak.
Quoting canadarocks
And I've been eating meat for years now. So?
I eat no meat or fish-no animals life of any kind. Been eating this way for years now.
I defy anyone to come up with a tofu dish that can emulate a good braised moose steak or elk steak.
January 23rd, 2007, 06:56 PM
Quoting L Gilbert
Free range animals is one area of 'meat ethics'. Also, shipping guidelines and slaughter issues. Some slaughterhouses ship animals long distances, in intense heat or cold with no food or water, just to run them through a slaughter house that doesn't kill them efficiently or humanely. Animals raised free range, and slaughtered in areas that don't require such duress, tend to actually taste better.
There are? Humans are animals. Other animals kill animals. Cougars kill deers. Bears kill bugs. Cheetahs kill impalas. What ethics?
January 23rd, 2007, 06:59 PM
Quoting L Gilbert
There's one product I use a lot, called 'veggie ground round'.... most people can't tell it from hamburger when you put it in pasta sauce. plus, none of the fat and 'cook-off' that you get with ground meat. it's handy to have a few packs in the freezer for when I'm in a rush.
Tofu reminds me of uncooked pancake batter. I'll pass. I don't like zucchini either. It's just filler.
Les
Posts: 6,139
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
January 23rd, 2007, 07:04 PM
Quoting s_lone
I eat range beef my cousin grows. I eat chickens that come from next door (eggs, too), I eat pork that either comes from across the lake from me or down the road a bit. Other than that the most meat I eat comes from moose, elk, grouse, a bit of bison, a bit of deer, etc. Supermarket "meat" isn't that great and one has to use herbs and spices to make it taste like something. I also eat garden fresh or canned veggies and grow my own fruit for canning or eating fresh. My water is untreated and doesn't taste like swimming pool water. It sucks to be cityfied.
Meat...
How about once a week? How would YOU deal that?
How about once a week? How would YOU deal that?
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Location: Montreal
January 23rd, 2007, 07:05 PM
From what we can observe, cows, pigs and chickens have a higher suffering potential then fish.
Quoting Tonington
Eating fish is already a lot more acceptable than eating beef, pork, chicken, etc.
Do you know how much food it takes to raise one kg of fish? It's entirely dependant on the species, but some are as low as 1.1 kg, by far the most efficient animals at converting food to flesh.
From what we can observe, cows, pigs and chickens have a higher suffering potential then fish.
Les
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Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
January 23rd, 2007, 07:06 PM
Quoting Tonington
Yeah, fish is great stuff, except for farmed Atlantic salmon. It is horrid.
Do you know how much food it takes to raise one kg of fish? It's entirely dependant on the species, but some are as low as 1.1 kg, by far the most efficient animals at converting food to flesh.
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January 23rd, 2007, 07:09 PM
Quoting selfactivated
Yes I'm aware how much good and "morally acceptable" meat is expensive. This is one the reasons I rarely eat meat.
Your last statement I like. Except for one tiny problem . Are you aware of how much free range meat costs? I think your comments are quite valid but not plausable for the majority of poor.
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January 23rd, 2007, 07:11 PM
You are one lucky fellow! And it does suck to be cityfied... Not always but sometimes...
Quoting L Gilbert
I eat range beef my cousin grows. I eat chickens that come from next door (eggs, too), I eat pork that either comes from across the lake from me or down the road a bit. Other than that the most meat I eat comes from moose, elk, grouse, a bit of bison, a bit of deer, etc. Supermarket "meat" isn't that great and one has to use herbs and spices to make it taste like something. I also eat garden fresh or canned veggies and grow my own fruit for canning or eating fresh. My water is untreated and doesn't taste like swimming pool water. It sucks to be cityfied.
You are one lucky fellow! And it does suck to be cityfied... Not always but sometimes...
Les
Posts: 6,139
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
January 23rd, 2007, 07:11 PM
Quoting karrie
That sounds like processing ethics. I thought he meant ethics about eating.
Free range animals is one area of 'meat ethics'. Also, shipping guidelines and slaughter issues. Some slaughterhouses ship animals long distances, in intense heat or cold with no food or water, just to run them through a slaughter house that doesn't kill them efficiently or humanely. Animals raised free range, and slaughtered in areas that don't require such duress, tend to actually taste better.
January 23rd, 2007, 07:15 PM
Quoting L Gilbert
I guess that was kinda ambiguous, but Karrie was talking about the same kind of thing I was. I don't think it's unethical to eat meat, or I'd be a vegetarian. I was referring to the ethics of animal husbandry and the agri-food industry in general.
That sounds like processing ethics. I thought he meant ethics about eating.
Les
Posts: 6,139
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
January 23rd, 2007, 07:16 PM
Quoting Tonington
The only farmed stuff I've tried was the Atlantic salmon and both times the fish were from different farms. Then I found out they had to make the meat more appetising by dying it. I'll pass. Haddock is good stuff. I'm damned picky about farmed stuff because of how the farms treat the fish and the environment around the farms. There's a big todo about farmed fish in BC.
I haven't tried any farmed haddock, but the farmed halibut is really good. Out here the only fresh salmon is Atlantic, rarely have I seen fresh pacific. I like it anyways. It's funny I used to hate fish as a kid, and that was really the only food I didn't like.
January 23rd, 2007, 07:21 PM
Quoting L Gilbert
You can buy 'un-dyed' farmed salmon. Tastes better, and who cares how pink it is? It's still nicer looking than the breaded fish sticks I grew up with thinking they were 'good fish'.
The only farmed stuff I've tried was the Atlantic salmon and both times the fish were from different farms. Then I found out they had to make the meat more appetising by dying it. I'll pass. Haddock is good stuff. I'm damned picky about farmed stuff because of how the farms treat the fish and the environment around the farms. There's a big todo about farmed fish in BC.
