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June 8th, 2007, 03:57 PM
Fellow CC Citizens,
I just read an article at Ars comparing the effectiveness of various AV packages at detecting various forms of new malware and viruses. There results are not in favor of AVG... in fact, it came last in the list with only 8 percent detection rate and alot of false positives. What's surprising is that AVG didn't detect any of the new viruses.
The link to the Ars article is here:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...microsoft.html
The original article is located at this site (I'm not allowed to link directly to it):
http://www.av-comparatives.org
(Click on the comparatives link and choose the latest article).
Fellow CC Citizens,
I just read an article at Ars comparing the effectiveness of various AV packages at detecting various forms of new malware and viruses. There results are not in favor of AVG... in fact, it came last in the list with only 8 percent detection rate and alot of false positives. What's surprising is that AVG didn't detect any of the new viruses.
The link to the Ars article is here:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...microsoft.html
The original article is located at this site (I'm not allowed to link directly to it):
http://www.av-comparatives.org
(Click on the comparatives link and choose the latest article).
World Police
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June 8th, 2007, 04:38 PM
While disturbing that AVG misses that many viri, I'm not too concerned. I can re-image my machine pretty damn quick.
While disturbing that AVG misses that many viri, I'm not too concerned. I can re-image my machine pretty damn quick.
World Police
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June 8th, 2007, 05:41 PM
It has been years though, since I have had a virus infect any pc of mine. Common sense in what you open/downoload usually prevents most infections from ocurring. A harware based firewall helps too.
It has been years though, since I have had a virus infect any pc of mine. Common sense in what you open/downoload usually prevents most infections from ocurring. A harware based firewall helps too.
Chief Mogrifier
Posts: 8,810
June 8th, 2007, 05:48 PM
I'm not going to panic right away. As I've said earlier, I've used AVG for about ten years and it seems to have caught every virus that came near my computer, while other people I know, using Norton, etc, have had virus and worm infestations. I get free automatic updates from AVG at least once a day and, knock wood, I haven't had a virus problem. For now, I'll stick with AVG.
I'm not going to panic right away. As I've said earlier, I've used AVG for about ten years and it seems to have caught every virus that came near my computer, while other people I know, using Norton, etc, have had virus and worm infestations. I get free automatic updates from AVG at least once a day and, knock wood, I haven't had a virus problem. For now, I'll stick with AVG.
June 8th, 2007, 06:08 PM
Quoting DurkaDurka
I agree with your statement that your Internet habits go a long way towards determining if you will get infected. Also one can't say that because his antivirus software hasn't spotted anything that he is virus free. Only a secondary scan once in a while by an on line scanner will provide a bit more assurance, without slowing down your PC. There are several free ones, I just prefer Trend Micro because it was recommended to me by a technician that I trust.
It has been years though, since I have had a virus infect any pc of mine. Common sense in what you open/downoload usually prevents most infections from ocurring. A harware based firewall helps too.
Newbie
Posts: 36
June 8th, 2007, 08:11 PM
"The sky is falling, the sky is falling."
Even though most people believe that the internet is regulated like most of the things in their daily life, it isn't.
The internet is LAWLESS, WITHOUT RULES, like the wild west.
Did you know that every time you surf the net, every site you visits there's a thing call a cookies and it track your movements, those cookies are downloaded to your computer w/o your consent.
Those cookies could be modify in to a virus or a trojan worm easily.
So the best way to be virus-free is not to surf the internet and pull the computer power cord from the wall socket.
Quoting cdn_bc_ca
What I see is Chicken Little running around shouting
Fellow CC Citizens,
I just read an article at Ars comparing the effectiveness of various AV packages at detecting various forms of new malware and viruses. There results are not in favor of AVG... in fact, it came last in the list with only 8 percent detection rate and alot of false positives. What's surprising is that AVG didn't detect any of the new viruses.
The link to the Ars article is here:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...microsoft.html
The original article is located at this site (I'm not allowed to link directly to it):
http://www.av-comparatives.org
(Click on the comparatives link and choose the latest article).
I just read an article at Ars comparing the effectiveness of various AV packages at detecting various forms of new malware and viruses. There results are not in favor of AVG... in fact, it came last in the list with only 8 percent detection rate and alot of false positives. What's surprising is that AVG didn't detect any of the new viruses.
The link to the Ars article is here:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...microsoft.html
The original article is located at this site (I'm not allowed to link directly to it):
http://www.av-comparatives.org
(Click on the comparatives link and choose the latest article).
"The sky is falling, the sky is falling."
Even though most people believe that the internet is regulated like most of the things in their daily life, it isn't.
The internet is LAWLESS, WITHOUT RULES, like the wild west.
Did you know that every time you surf the net, every site you visits there's a thing call a cookies and it track your movements, those cookies are downloaded to your computer w/o your consent.
Those cookies could be modify in to a virus or a trojan worm easily.
So the best way to be virus-free is not to surf the internet and pull the computer power cord from the wall socket.
June 8th, 2007, 08:45 PM
Quoting ChilliCheeseDog
Half the world would curl up and die. We're so addicted!
So the best way to be virus-free is not to surf the internet and pull the computer power cord from the wall socket.
Newbie
Posts: 36
June 8th, 2007, 09:16 PM
People who surf the internet should just accept the fact that they're gonna get infected sooner or later.
There's no way way to avoid it, you can just minimize it.
A lot of people don't realize that **** like this Warning is contributing problems to the issue of viruses and worms.
Some idiots see this article so they freak out and MASS EMAILED the article to everybody in their Address Book, not realizing that they spreading the virus, they just created the first step of a Trojan worm, somewhere down the line a virus/trojan writer will modify that email then resend it and ......
Ta-da , a new virus is born !
Quoting triedit
no kidding.
Half the world would curl up and die. We're so addicted!
People who surf the internet should just accept the fact that they're gonna get infected sooner or later.
There's no way way to avoid it, you can just minimize it.
A lot of people don't realize that **** like this Warning is contributing problems to the issue of viruses and worms.
Some idiots see this article so they freak out and MASS EMAILED the article to everybody in their Address Book, not realizing that they spreading the virus, they just created the first step of a Trojan worm, somewhere down the line a virus/trojan writer will modify that email then resend it and ......
Ta-da , a new virus is born !
World Police
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June 8th, 2007, 11:19 PM
Cookies cannot "modify" into viri or trojans. A cookie is a text file, a text file is not executable on it's own, in order for contents of a text file to execute, it would need to have a file extension ending in .bat , .exe , .js etc.
Quoting ChilliCheeseDog
Did you know that every time you surf the net, every site you visits there's a thing call a cookies and it track your movements, those cookies are downloaded to your computer w/o your consent.
Those cookies could be modify in to a virus or a trojan worm easily.
Those cookies could be modify in to a virus or a trojan worm easily.
Cookies cannot "modify" into viri or trojans. A cookie is a text file, a text file is not executable on it's own, in order for contents of a text file to execute, it would need to have a file extension ending in .bat , .exe , .js etc.
Dark Overlord
Posts: 2,587
June 9th, 2007, 12:39 AM
That is on my old computer, so I decided not to bother trying to get it fixed. Since then, I have gone back to Norton and have no plans on going back to McAfee.
In answer to your question, I found that McAfee did load up slower. My dad's computer took a looong time to load up.
Quoting snfu73
My dad had McAfee on his computer, but was having problems getting the program to work. After a few hours, he just decided to uninstall it and get Norton instead. I have had both programs(McAfee and Norton) installed on various computers and the only problem I have ever had with either one of them occurred when I tried to install the version of Zonealarm that had the firewall with it. It fubared my Windows by creating an error whenever I tried to boot up my computer. Windows would start to load and then it would freeze as soon as McAfee attempted to load up.
What are thoughts on McAfee? We just got a new laptop with it installed and it just seems to slow things down SO much, especially on start up.
That is on my old computer, so I decided not to bother trying to get it fixed. Since then, I have gone back to Norton and have no plans on going back to McAfee.
In answer to your question, I found that McAfee did load up slower. My dad's computer took a looong time to load up.
June 9th, 2007, 05:12 AM
The last virus I had was the Nasser Worm and that was when I was running Norton. But like Durka I can reload my machine any time and not loose much due to the fact I have a second hard drive. All my docs, pics etc. get stowed there and are safe and sound after a reload. I find McAfee a little slow but it seems to catch things and I don't have the problems I had with Norton, errors galore with that.
I want to go the image route. Is Alcohol 120 suitable for that or can someone recomend a better app.?
Hey there's my sig. Hi Mr. Sig long time no see. LOL
The last virus I had was the Nasser Worm and that was when I was running Norton. But like Durka I can reload my machine any time and not loose much due to the fact I have a second hard drive. All my docs, pics etc. get stowed there and are safe and sound after a reload. I find McAfee a little slow but it seems to catch things and I don't have the problems I had with Norton, errors galore with that.
I want to go the image route. Is Alcohol 120 suitable for that or can someone recomend a better app.?
Hey there's my sig. Hi Mr. Sig long time no see. LOL
Newbie
Posts: 36
June 9th, 2007, 08:30 AM
Quoting DurkaDurka
oh please, how easy is it to slip in a javascript virus along with a cookies ?
Cookies cannot "modify" into viri or trojans. A cookie is a text file, a text file is not executable on it's own, in order for contents of a text file to execute, it would need to have a file extension ending in .bat , .exe , .js etc.
Chief Mogrifier
Posts: 8,810
June 9th, 2007, 09:23 AM
Here is a link to a comparison chart that is fairly easy to read.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,12...1/article.html
Here is a link to a comparison chart that is fairly easy to read.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,12...1/article.html
World Police
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June 9th, 2007, 09:40 AM
Here is an example of what a cookie looks like:
EAGamesForum_data
a%3A0%3A%7B%7D
forum.eagames.co.uk/
1536
1461876480
29931870
1614487984
29858446
*
Quoting ChilliCheeseDog
Do you even know what a cookie looks like? Also, I will say it again, cookies are not executable, they are text files.
oh please, how easy is it to slip in a javascript virus along with a cookies ?
Here is an example of what a cookie looks like:
EAGamesForum_data
a%3A0%3A%7B%7D
forum.eagames.co.uk/
1536
1461876480
29931870
1614487984
29858446
*
Newbie
Posts: 36
June 9th, 2007, 10:09 AM
Yes, I know that cookies are text files.
what do you think writers use when they write a virus ?
hippa-jippa binaries ?
Inside a text file you can hide/add a .js virus that can be activated with the most common use program like WinAmp.exe which a lot of people have
There are thousands of virus-writing programs out there for any one who want to do damage, you just have to look for it.
The point of my original post is "Warning Thread" like this does no good except cause panics to people who don't know any better.
If people are going to surf the internet then they should expect to be "infected"
Quoting DurkaDurka
OK . Whatever.
Do you even know what a cookie looks like? Also, I will say it again, cookies are not executable, they are text files.
Here is an example of what a cookie looks like:
EAGamesForum_data
a%3A0%3A%7B%7D
forum.eagames.co.uk/
1536
1461876480
29931870
1614487984
29858446
*
Here is an example of what a cookie looks like:
EAGamesForum_data
a%3A0%3A%7B%7D
forum.eagames.co.uk/
1536
1461876480
29931870
1614487984
29858446
*
Yes, I know that cookies are text files.
what do you think writers use when they write a virus ?
hippa-jippa binaries ?
Inside a text file you can hide/add a .js virus that can be activated with the most common use program like WinAmp.exe which a lot of people have
There are thousands of virus-writing programs out there for any one who want to do damage, you just have to look for it.
The point of my original post is "Warning Thread" like this does no good except cause panics to people who don't know any better.
If people are going to surf the internet then they should expect to be "infected"
