Should I or shouldn't I.......


DaSleeper
#1
Instal windows ten.........

Three PCs in the house.... getting failed update codes all the time for reserved windows 10 upgrade....
I downloaded and burned windows 10 to a DVD....
And wait for online reports on the results of others who use windows 10


Should I now cancel the reservation???
 
skookumchuck
+1
#2  Top Rated Post
It depends on your system, if it has problems they would need to be addressed, also which OS you have matters, nothing before windows 7 will work. I downloaded windows 10 over 8.1 and love it, no problems at all and took about 45 minutes. I did not bother with a disc.
 
DaSleeper
#3
I have three PC's in the house approved for windows 10 getting error messages several times a day because the bloody update won't download.
That's what prompted me to download and burn to a disk, then install at my leisure using the product key on every one of them since they are registered with Microsoft as approved...
Maybe I'll create a partition (If I can remember how) and keep both operating systems...Or create a restore point big enough for me to go back if I don't like the browser etc...
I'll probably use "Classic shell" as I do with 8.1 since I just hate those damned apps...


Thanks for your input.....
 
skookumchuck
+1
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

I have three PC's in the house approved for windows 10 getting error messages several times a day because the bloody update won't download.
That's what prompted me to download and burn to a disk, then install at my leisure using the product key on every one of them since they are registered with Microsoft as approved...
Maybe I'll create a partition (If I can remember how) and keep both operating systems...Or create a restore point big enough for me to go back if I don't like the browser etc...
I'll probably use "Classic shell" as I do with 8.1 since I just hate those damned apps...


Thanks for your input.....

Sounds like WIFI problems with the download. Been there had that. Also could be your anti virus or anti malware program blocking the download.
I used the browser (Edge) for a time and saw nothing interesting at all so went back to FireFox, beside i am used to having no script, ghostery, adblock, etc. Micro$ wants to sell me chit like all the others LOL. When i see that any page may have over 20 tracking scripts and cookies i am glad to have FireFox add ons.
Good luck!
 
gerryh
+1
#5
installed windows 10 over 8.1. no problems so far. Using edge and have not had any compatibility problems so far. This is with an older gateway laptop, Pentium dual core 2.2ghz with 6gb ram.
 
DaSleeper
#6
I'm in the process of installing on the oldest PC in the house, the one rarely used in the laundry room, a windows seven notebook.....I think I spend more time updating that one than my wife does playing games on it while she does the laundry lol
 
Dexter Sinister
#7
I would say you shouldn't install Windows 10, at least not in its present form. Everything I've read about it indicates that installing it gives Microsoft permission to spy on everything you do, record all your searches, both online and on your own computer, and upload any or all of your data to its cloud, OneDrive, without your knowledge or consent. It blocks the installation of Classic Shell, the best way to tame the massive shortcomings in the Win7 and 8 and 8.1 interfaces, essentially on the grounds that it'll prevent Microsoft from spying on you, though they put it more gently: it will make such changes to the system that the very valuable information from users will not be available to Microsoft. Win10 looks like spyware to me and I'm not touching it.

Microsoft's Windows 10 has permission to spy on you (external - login to view)
Last edited by Dexter Sinister; Aug 4th, 2015 at 12:57 PM..
 
DaSleeper
#8
One of the reasons I'm installing it on a computer that is only used for playing games And classic shell is one of the first programs going on it
It's one of the best interfaces for finding stuff fast on your PC.
 
Dexter Sinister
#9
I haven't tried it to verify it, but what I've read indicates you can't install Classic Shell on it. I'll be interested to know what happens when you try.
 
DaSleeper
#10
I'll give this a try... Microsoft to block Classic Shell in Windows 10: here is why (external - login to view)

It better work with Malwarebytes too......

Quote: Originally Posted by skookumchuckView Post

It depends on your system, if it has problems they would need to be addressed, also which OS you have matters, nothing before windows 7 will work. I downloaded windows 10 over 8.1 and love it, no problems at all and took about 45 minutes. I did not bother with a disc.

Been at it almost 1.5 hrs now.....with a disk......Maybe without a disk it prepares it a little bit at a time?
 
DaSleeper
#11
All done as of an hour ago...Dunno if it's changing the name that did it but Classic shell works good.....so does the live essentials without Messenger or cloud..... maybe using a disk for the install is different but I managed to deselect a whole bunch of reporting back to microsoft, all except error reports...
Malwarebytes only found an insignificant PUP file that could have been there before .
I was still busy arranging everything to my liking when up pops a questionnaire that asked me how I liked windows 10 so far..... wrote down.....I'm busy....ask me again in a week.....don't much like the new browser but can still use explorer or Firefox
Even managed to get cortana out of the task bar for now...may find a use for it later..
Dunno yet if it's better than windows 8, will wait a few weeks before installing on the other two PCs
 
Goober
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

All done as of an hour ago...Dunno if it's changing the name that did it but Classic shell works good.....so does the live essentials without Messenger or cloud..... maybe using a disk for the install is different but I managed to deselect a whole bunch of reporting back to microsoft, all except error reports...
Malwarebytes only found an insignificant PUP file that could have been there before .
I was still busy arranging everything to my liking when up pops a questionnaire that asked me how I liked windows 10 so far..... wrote down.....I'm busy....ask me again in a week.....don't much like the new browser but can still use explorer or Firefox
Even managed to get cortana out of the task bar for now...may find a use for it later..
Dunno yet if it's better than windows 8, will wait a few weeks before installing on the other two PCs

One thing it comes with is WiFi- Unless you type in OPTOUT it is left open for nay one to use on the new Win 10.
 
Ludlow
#13
get rid of the fackin computer and read books and hang out at the library.

and,,,,,,sit at the park and feed the fackin birds and change your name to Mr. Grudgemeyer.
 
DaSleeper
+1
#14
Second computer set up on windows 10..
Since I already had "classic shell" on it because I had 8.1 on it....hate working with apps on a PC....didn't have to do a thing...just wait for it to update itself....
Just my wife's PC left to do.....

And I got a month before it gets impossible to go back......
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#15
I still have Windows 7. Will keep it. If I had 8 or 8.1, I would upgrade. It can't be any worse.
 
DaSleeper
#16
Their browser "edge" feels like spyware to me but may be good for web developing...Took me a while but managed to make explorer my default browser...when in doubt look in page after page of settings to set your preferences...
That was mainly for my wife when she does the laundry......I use the one that you don't like
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Their browser "edge" feels like spyware to me but may be good for web developing...Took me a while but managed to make explorer my default browser...when in doubt look in page after page of settings to set your preferences...
That was mainly for my wife when she does the laundry......I use the one that you don't like

Since Chrome disabled direct Java, I switched to FF. Seems not as bad as I remember.
 
DaSleeper
#18
I have three notebooks, the first two windows edge was installed, didn't like it put explorer as my default browser but windows ten slowed them down slightly...
Don't know how I managed to do it on the third one but windows edge is nowhere to be found, and that notebook speeded up tremendously....don't ask me how I did it.....
That was my wife's notebook......she's quite happy....lol
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

Since Chrome disabled direct Java, I switched to FF. Seems not as bad as I remember.

What I did was download firefox portable that you can use on a usb stick to use in any computer you happen to use but on my own notebook I copied the Firefox folder in my documents and put a shortcut on my taskbar for quick use...it opens up faster than explorer.
I don't know about regular firefox but with "portable" I have to re-enable java every session.
Last edited by DaSleeper; Aug 6th, 2015 at 08:42 PM..
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

What I did was download firefox portable that you can use on a usb stick to use in any computer you happen to use but on my own notebook I copied the Firefox folder in my documents and put a shortcut on my taskbar for quick use...it opens up faster than explorer.
I don't know about regular firefox but with "portable" I have to re-enable java every session.

I use the regular and I have never had to enable java. It has just been enabled.
 
DaSleeper
#20
I'm sorry, I meant the flash player the one that allows you to watch videos posted on the forum, some weeks ago, maybe longer firefox had a warning about security issue with adobe flash and I had it on manual....forgot to check for an update until this morning,
They had one which is now installed....my bad!
 
DaSleeper
#21
When you install windows 10, make sure you read and make the proper selection on how your future windows updates are being delivered.
Microsoft has found a way to save on their bandwidth by having the public share their updates...
Found a website that explains it better than I could
How to stop Windows 10 from using your PC's bandwidth to update strangers' systems | PCWorld (external - login to view)
While nowhere close to being a computer geek, I'm the kind who likes to look into every nook and cranny of a system, and since I have to keep updating three computers, I had to find how it's done on that system.
A lot of people will not bother with those settings...
One thing that bothers me about that is that some hacker could purposely corrupt a downloaded update and let some unsuspecting microsoft customer download it to his PC and keep spreading it that way....

I've got mine set to Download just from from Microsoft.
It might just leave an opening for someone to get into your system........call me paranoid....but I like my security...
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#22
Sounds like a stupid option. But I am sure it saves Microsoft some money.
 
DaSleeper
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

Sounds like a stupid option. But I am sure it saves Microsoft some money.

Every new system has security loopholes that need to be found and plugged before hackers and virus writers can find them.
This one took me three days to find, because I prefer to manually download updates on my personal PC that are not security updates and it took me three days to find that settings app...
Now to see what Steve Gibson has to say about this new system.....
I like to browse this site every chance i get and when I wan to check my security...
https://www.grc.com/default.htm (external - login to view)
 
tay
#24
Windows 10's Worst Feature Installed On Windows 7 And Windows 8






Software specialist site gHacks (external - login to view) has discovered that Microsoft has pushed four new updates to both Windows 7 and Windows 8 which introduce new data collecting and user behaviour tracking features.




Furthermore gHacks notes that ” these four updates ignore existing user preferences stored in Windows 7 and Windows 8 (including any edits made to the Hosts file) and immediately starts exchanging user data with vortex-win.data.microsoft.com and settings-win.data.microsoft.com.


“ These, and maybe others, appear to be hardcoded which means that the Hosts file is bypassed automatically”, gHacks explains.


The Windows 7 and Windows 8 Advantage

While this development will inevitably amuse Windows 10 users (unless they are considering a downgrade), the clear benefit of Windows 7 and Windows 8 at this point is updates are not mandatory.


This means Windows 7 and Windows 8 users can choose not to download the updates or, if they have already been installed, they can be uninstalled and neither operating system will automatically reinstall them without user permission.


Taking this a step further, Windows 7 and Windows 8 users can right click on any updates shown by Windows Update and choose ‘Hide Update’. This will stop them being searched for and accidentally installed again.


If only Windows 10 users were so lucky….




Windows 10 Worst Feature Installed On Windows 7 And Windows 8 (external - login to view)




and




Read more – Windows 10: Should You Upgrade? (external - login to view)
 
darkbeaver
#25
Thanks for the advice, I'm getting Linux tomorrow.
 
gerryh
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Thanks for the advice, I'm getting Linux tomorrow.


Oh? you mean you have been supporting one of the largest and most intrusive ( from what I have been told) corporations in the world today? Really?
 
darkbeaver
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Oh? you mean you have been supporting one of the largest and most intrusive ( from what I have been told) corporations in the world today? Really?

No, I haven't been.
 
DaSleeper
#28
It's a conspiracy ...I tell ya......


 
DaSleeper
#29
It's been a month now, and "windows defender" is still refusing to work alongside AVG 2015 (the paid version) , on all three PCs
Currently using malwarebytes which works well with AVG..
"Windows old" folder, 30+ gigs still hasn't been removed by Microsoft after a month like they were supposed to.
I'll wait a week then use "Disk Cleanup" in administrative tools.....Both can be removed under system files ...I think?
Yup... they can!
Last edited by DaSleeper; Sep 6th, 2015 at 11:06 AM..
 
MHz
#30
Spring for a spare hd and install win 10 on that drive and save you current system as you make the change over. Might was well invest in a touch pad instead of a mouse as there a gestures a mouse will never be able to make and win 10 is meant for touch screen comps and pads rather than otical mice

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Thanks for the advice, I'm getting Linux tomorrow.

Like that would make a difference. Having the whole OS all in ram is a bit of a kick though
 

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