Green Energy Scams Costing Taxpayers Billions


EagleSmack
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What fools.

Green Energy Scandals Cost Taxpayers Billions (external - login to view)

Billions!
 
EagleSmack
#2
Crickets... lmao
 
Wake
#3
Green energy really shouldn't be any sort of subject to Canadians. You are really too far to the north and your weather doesn't promote use of most of the so-called methods of green energy.

Let me give you and example: California mid-state lies along the 37th parallel. This is really the limit for solar cells and California mid-state winds are the closest thing to perfect for wind power.

Our local energy supplier is Pacific Gas and Electricity. They have been TRYING to get "green" energy to work for 30 years. They have wind and solar farms so large that if they were ALL working at once at full efficiency that they could develop 19% of the peak demand on the system. This is ONE HELL of a lot of wind and solar farms. The land under the solar farms is useless. And the ground around the windmills is littered with some of the countries most endangered bird species. Their latest try is windmills with 49 meter long blades. These appear to turn much slower but I haven't seen any real information on the blade tip speed at operating speed. And these HUGE blades are a definite danger to the adjacent farms, roads and freeways should these composite blades break.

BUT two years ago we had the absolute BEST condition for these green resources that they ever had. It was a drought year with very light clouds if any and wind speeds normally just in the range of the sweet spot for the windmills.

And the result? They developed 3% of the total yearly requirement. Their normal production? 2%. The energy customer has spend millions and millions on these facilities and the American taxpayer has paid huge tax subsidies to allow PG&E to build this system in the first place.

What's more - these thousands of small energy sources have completely destroyed the "exact frequency standard" that the power company used to maintain. There are now so many sources coming on line and off line that the frequency is no long nearly perfect. Old standard electric clocks gain and lose time and in some seasons cab get 5 minutes off in less than a month.

When people say "renewable resources" and they are not talking about hydroelectricity kick them in the crotch.
 
Bar Sinister
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#4
Quote: Originally Posted by WakeView Post

Green energy really shouldn't be any sort of subject to Canadians. You are really too far to the north and your weather doesn't promote use of most of the so-called methods of green energy.
Let me give you and example: California mid-state lies along the 37th parallel. This is really the limit for solar cells and California mid-state winds are the closest thing to perfect for wind power.
Our local energy supplier is Pacific Gas and Electricity. They have been TRYING to get "green" energy to work for 30 years. They have wind and solar farms so large that if they were ALL working at once at full efficiency that they could develop 19% of the peak demand on the system. This is ONE HELL of a lot of wind and solar farms. The land under the solar farms is useless. And the ground around the windmills is littered with some of the countries most endangered bird species. Their latest try is windmills with 49 meter long blades. These appear to turn much slower but I haven't seen any real information on the blade tip speed at operating speed. And these HUGE blades are a definite danger to the adjacent farms, roads and freeways should these composite blades break.
BUT two years ago we had the absolute BEST condition for these green resources that they ever had. It was a drought year with very light clouds if any and wind speeds normally just in the range of the sweet spot for the windmills.
And the result? They developed 3% of...

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Actually Canada has multiple sources of green energy. The region east of the Rockies features a westerly flow of air that is perfect for wind turbines. The Bay of Fundy has tides that generate enormous natural energy. And Canada has thousands of rivers for Hydro power. Let's face it - if a nation like Germany can generate green energy then a nation like Canada, which is about 30 times the size should have no problem at all.
 
pgs
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#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

Actually Canada has multiple sources of green energy. The region east of the Rockies features a westerly flow of air that is perfect for wind turbines. The Bay of Fundy has tides that generate enormous natural energy. And Canada has thousands of rivers for Hydro power. Let's face it - if a nation like Germany can generate green energy then a nation like Canada, which is about 30 times the size should have no problem at all.

Yeah here in B.C. we get the majority of our electricity from clean green hydro power ,but are still paying a carbon tax . Go figure .
 
Bar Sinister
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by pgsView Post

Yeah here in B.C. we get the majority of our electricity from clean green hydro power ,but are still paying a carbon tax . Go figure .

Well, you do drive automobiles.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgsView Post

Yeah here in B.C. we get the majority of our electricity from clean green hydro power ,but are still paying a carbon tax . Go figure .

Such a ripoff
 
DaSleeper
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by pgsView Post

Yeah here in B.C. we get the majority of our electricity from clean green hydro power ,but are still paying a carbon tax . Go figure .

Do they charge carbon tax to the U.S. for the hydro they sell them...
I'm also wondering if Ontario Hydro charge carbon tax for the electricity they sell the eastern states?
 
EagleSmack
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Do they charge carbon tax to the U.S. for the hydro they sell them...
I'm also wondering if Ontario Hydro charge carbon tax for the electricity they sell the eastern states?


Good question.
 
Ludlow
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Good question.

STFU Eaglecrack you don't know. Ye just like to flap yer lips.
 
Bar Sinister
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Do they charge carbon tax to the U.S. for the hydro they sell them...
I'm also wondering if Ontario Hydro charge carbon tax for the electricity they sell the eastern states?

You can't tax another nation unless it is an import tax.
 
EagleSmack
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#12
Such a scam.
 
taxslave
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by WakeView Post

Green energy really shouldn't be any sort of subject to Canadians. You are really too far to the north and your weather doesn't promote use of most of the so-called methods of green energy.
Let me give you and example: California mid-state lies along the 37th parallel. This is really the limit for solar cells and California mid-state winds are the closest thing to perfect for wind power.
Our local energy supplier is Pacific Gas and Electricity. They have been TRYING to get "green" energy to work for 30 years. They have wind and solar farms so large that if they were ALL working at once at full efficiency that they could develop 19% of the peak demand on the system. This is ONE HELL of a lot of wind and solar farms. The land under the solar farms is useless. And the ground around the windmills is littered with some of the countries most endangered bird species. Their latest try is windmills with 49 meter long blades. These appear to turn much slower but I haven't seen any real information on the blade tip speed at operating speed. And these HUGE blades are a definite danger to the adjacent farms, roads and freeways should these composite blades break.
BUT two years ago we had the absolute BEST condition for these green resources that they ever had. It was a drought year with very light clouds if any and wind speeds normally just in the range of the sweet spot for the windmills.
And the result? They developed 3% of...

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There are other "green" energy sources besides solar. Granted most do not work on a large scale. Geothermal, biomas, wave power, which is pretty much hydro. Even wind which has the added benefit of providing a steady supply of fresh fowl.

Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Do they charge carbon tax to the U.S. for the hydro they sell them...
I'm also wondering if Ontario Hydro charge carbon tax for the electricity they sell the eastern states?

BC doesn't even charge carbon tax to Indians. Cause their cars are pollution free.
 
Wake
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#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

Actually Canada has multiple sources of green energy. The region east of the Rockies features a westerly flow of air that is perfect for wind turbines. The Bay of Fundy has tides that generate enormous natural energy. And Canada has thousands of rivers for Hydro power. Let's face it - if a nation like Germany can generate green energy then a nation like Canada, which is about 30 times the size should have no problem at all.

Excuse me - you think that wind power is going to give you any significant power source with any reliability?

Damming off the Bay of Fundy would most certainly give you hydroelectric power (as I said in my original posting) but at what cost? The ENTIRE ecosystem in the Bay of Fundy is totally dependent upon the huge tides. Are you willing to destroy the ecosystem and the livelihoods of the entire region so that you can turn your lights on without burning some fossil fuels? If so then be very vocal about it so that you can be rapidly lynched and we can stop suffering from your entries.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by WakeView Post

Excuse me - you think that wind power is going to give you any significant power source with any reliability?

Of course not and they don't even care.

All they want is money. They want a steady stream of taxes, fees, and fines and nothing more.
 
Jinentonix
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by WakeView Post

Excuse me - you think that wind power is going to give you any significant power source with any reliability?

Damming off the Bay of Fundy would most certainly give you hydroelectric power (as I said in my original posting) but at what cost? The ENTIRE ecosystem in the Bay of Fundy is totally dependent upon the huge tides. Are you willing to destroy the ecosystem and the livelihoods of the entire region so that you can turn your lights on without burning some fossil fuels? If so then be very vocal about it so that you can be rapidly lynched and we can stop suffering from your entries.

You don't need to dam off the bay. You just need something that can use the ebb and flow of the tide to generate power. The Brits have been experimenting with similar technology along the Thames because of the powerful tides that roll in and out.
 
Wake
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Quote: Originally Posted by JinentonixView Post

You don't need to dam off the bay. You just need something that can use the ebb and flow of the tide to generate power. The Brits have been experimenting with similar technology along the Thames because of the powerful tides that roll in and out.

There is only one way to draw power off of the tides in the bay Fundy and that is the partial or total damming of the flow which in EITHER case would cause VAST ecological damage. This is quite different than using the Thames which was once a vast sewer.

www.ielts-mentor.com/reading-...ding-sample-28 (external - login to view)
 
Wake
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Of course not and they don't even care.

All they want is money. They want a steady stream of taxes, fees, and fines and nothing more.

Another joke - the numbers of whales on the Pacific coast is HUGE and growing. In the annual migration of Grey and Humpback whales to Alaska waters after breeding in the warmer waters off of Mexico, if a mother whale's baby is getting too tired she will bring it into the San Francisco bay where conditions are such that the baby can rest and recuperate.

So what are the "environmentalists" talking about? Damming the Golden Gate for power. This would of course destroy the entire ecosystem of the bay, delta and river systems but who cares when you can call yourself an environmentalist?
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by WakeView Post

Another joke - the numbers of whales on the Pacific coast is HUGE and growing. In the annual migration of Grey and Humpback whales to Alaska waters after breeding in the warmer waters off of Mexico, if a mother whale's baby is getting too tired she will bring it into the San Francisco bay where conditions are such that the baby can rest and recuperate.

So what are the "environmentalists" talking about? Damming the Golden Gate for power. This would of course destroy the entire ecosystem of the bay, delta and river systems but who cares when you can call yourself an environmentalist?

One need only look at the Dakota Access Protest Camp to see how ecotards really feel about the environment.

The US Government is in a race against time to clean up these savage's trash before the spring thaw melts and poisons the water supply.

 
Jinentonix
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#20
Quote: Originally Posted by WakeView Post

There is only one way to draw power off of the tides in the bay Fundy and that is the partial or total damming of the flow which in EITHER case would cause VAST ecological damage. This is quite different than using the Thames which was once a vast sewer.

www.ielts-mentor.com/reading-...ding-sample-28 (external - login to view)

NO dude, you do NOT need to dam off the Bay, not even partially. You're still thinking inside the box.
 
Wake
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Quote: Originally Posted by JinentonixView Post

NO dude, you do NOT need to dam off the Bay, not even partially. You're still thinking inside the box.

Then by all means explain to me how your outside the box thinking works. I do grow tired of people that do not understand that drawing power slows the flow regardless of what sort of turbine you're using.

Look, read this paper: https://www.novascotia.ca/nse/ea/whi...eir.salmon.pdf (external - login to view)

What do you suppose turbines in the main flow would do? Do you think that nothing would happen or that it would be like the Windmills in Altamont Pass in the Livermore Valley with the ground beneath the windmills littered with the chopped up bodies of the rarest Raptors such as the Redtail Hawks and the Bald Eagles and migrating species such as ducks and geese?

Tell me - are you going to tell me I'm thinking inside the box if I tell you that NOTHING in this universe can fly faster than the speed of light and never will?

Without the wash of saltwater in and out the entire ecosystem of the bay would be destroyed.

But I'm sure that you will believe different because you're an outside the boxer.
 
Danbones
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me
i would go with reciprocal wave motion
i have something like it on the dock now - in conjunction with a solar panel, it charges the dock light battery
(I made this version from an old spincrank self charging flashlight, and some old toilet parts)
 
Wake
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by DanbonesView Post

me
i would go with reciprocal wave motion
i have something like it on the dock now - in conjunction with a solar panel, it charges the dock light battery
(I made this version from an old spincrank self charging flashlight, and some old toilet parts)

This is quite usable for something like a rechargeable dock-light. That's probably 25 or 30 watts. But now consider what drawing a million kilowatts off reciprocating wave motion would mean.

The only way to make this possible would be on the open ocean wave system. And then how to you prevent a storm system from tearing it to pieces?

The also have a "windmill" system that works by having a vertical rod and the wind blowing past it makes it vibrate and this vibration is converted to electrical current a number of different ways. The advantages this has is that there are no blades to cut birds to shreds. They are EXTREMELY strong and not easy to break in high winds so they could be used anywhere in the USA and would only be liable for damage from an almost direct hit from a tornado. In the minus column - they don't make much power individually so you have to have thousands of individual systems whee you have but a small field of the new super-sized windmills.

https://metaefficient.com/news/new-r...megawatts.html (external - login to view)

These units are almost the largest anywhere in the world. The blades are so huge that they appear to be moving in slow motion. But they aren't. And they have all of the same problems that the smaller versions do - they only work in a relatively narrow band of wind speeds. They spend 70% of the time when they are turning not making power because the wind speeds are too low.

Green energy is nothing more than a catch phrase.
 
Durry
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This whole "going green" thing is one of the biggest scams going these days, even the governments are part of this problem, and there is only one taxpayer picking up the cost of all this nonsense.
 
EagleSmack
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by DurryView Post

This whole "going green" thing is one of the biggest scams going these days, even the governments are part of this problem, and there is only one taxpayer picking up the cost of all this nonsense.

That is the goal.
 
Wake
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

That is the goal.

You have the entire environmental movement in a nutshell. Originally it sounded like a good idea. And they did some good. But not a lot and the good they did do was totally overblown in the media.

Then the environmental movement was taken over by a political movement that couldn't care less about the environment and most of the "green energy movement" stuff is totally worthless and was ONLY good for making politicians a LOT of money.

The climate change movement has made so few people so much money that if we had a media interested they could be caught in an instant. Why have we had a government subsidizing solar power businesses that have almost entirely gone out of business. While for small special reasons this is a worthwhile method the large scale use of solar cells is nothing more than a scam.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

All they want is money. They want a steady stream of taxes, fees, and fines and nothing more.

Walls don't come cheap
 
petros
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Walls don't come cheap

Are you high?
 
Cannuck
#29
Sniff sniffity
 
petros
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#30
Ahhhh. Sniffing glue.
 

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