Green Energy Scams Costing Taxpayers Billions

Wake

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Green energy really shouldn't be any sort of subject to Canadians. You are really too far to the north and your weather doesn't promote use of most of the so-called methods of green energy.

Let me give you and example: California mid-state lies along the 37th parallel. This is really the limit for solar cells and California mid-state winds are the closest thing to perfect for wind power.

Our local energy supplier is Pacific Gas and Electricity. They have been TRYING to get "green" energy to work for 30 years. They have wind and solar farms so large that if they were ALL working at once at full efficiency that they could develop 19% of the peak demand on the system. This is ONE HELL of a lot of wind and solar farms. The land under the solar farms is useless. And the ground around the windmills is littered with some of the countries most endangered bird species. Their latest try is windmills with 49 meter long blades. These appear to turn much slower but I haven't seen any real information on the blade tip speed at operating speed. And these HUGE blades are a definite danger to the adjacent farms, roads and freeways should these composite blades break.

BUT two years ago we had the absolute BEST condition for these green resources that they ever had. It was a drought year with very light clouds if any and wind speeds normally just in the range of the sweet spot for the windmills.

And the result? They developed 3% of the total yearly requirement. Their normal production? 2%. The energy customer has spend millions and millions on these facilities and the American taxpayer has paid huge tax subsidies to allow PG&E to build this system in the first place.

What's more - these thousands of small energy sources have completely destroyed the "exact frequency standard" that the power company used to maintain. There are now so many sources coming on line and off line that the frequency is no long nearly perfect. Old standard electric clocks gain and lose time and in some seasons cab get 5 minutes off in less than a month.

When people say "renewable resources" and they are not talking about hydroelectricity kick them in the crotch.
 

Bar Sinister

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Green energy really shouldn't be any sort of subject to Canadians. You are really too far to the north and your weather doesn't promote use of most of the so-called methods of green energy.

Let me give you and example: California mid-state lies along the 37th parallel. This is really the limit for solar cells and California mid-state winds are the closest thing to perfect for wind power.

Our local energy supplier is Pacific Gas and Electricity. They have been TRYING to get "green" energy to work for 30 years. They have wind and solar farms so large that if they were ALL working at once at full efficiency that they could develop 19% of the peak demand on the system. This is ONE HELL of a lot of wind and solar farms. The land under the solar farms is useless. And the ground around the windmills is littered with some of the countries most endangered bird species. Their latest try is windmills with 49 meter long blades. These appear to turn much slower but I haven't seen any real information on the blade tip speed at operating speed. And these HUGE blades are a definite danger to the adjacent farms, roads and freeways should these composite blades break.

BUT two years ago we had the absolute BEST condition for these green resources that they ever had. It was a drought year with very light clouds if any and wind speeds normally just in the range of the sweet spot for the windmills.

And the result? They developed 3% of the total yearly requirement. Their normal production? 2%. The energy customer has spend millions and millions on these facilities and the American taxpayer has paid huge tax subsidies to allow PG&E to build this system in the first place.

What's more - these thousands of small energy sources have completely destroyed the "exact frequency standard" that the power company used to maintain. There are now so many sources coming on line and off line that the frequency is no long nearly perfect. Old standard electric clocks gain and lose time and in some seasons cab get 5 minutes off in less than a month.

When people say "renewable resources" and they are not talking about hydroelectricity kick them in the crotch.

Actually Canada has multiple sources of green energy. The region east of the Rockies features a westerly flow of air that is perfect for wind turbines. The Bay of Fundy has tides that generate enormous natural energy. And Canada has thousands of rivers for Hydro power. Let's face it - if a nation like Germany can generate green energy then a nation like Canada, which is about 30 times the size should have no problem at all.
 

pgs

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Actually Canada has multiple sources of green energy. The region east of the Rockies features a westerly flow of air that is perfect for wind turbines. The Bay of Fundy has tides that generate enormous natural energy. And Canada has thousands of rivers for Hydro power. Let's face it - if a nation like Germany can generate green energy then a nation like Canada, which is about 30 times the size should have no problem at all.
Yeah here in B.C. we get the majority of our electricity from clean green hydro power ,but are still paying a carbon tax . Go figure .
 

DaSleeper

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Yeah here in B.C. we get the majority of our electricity from clean green hydro power ,but are still paying a carbon tax . Go figure .
Do they charge carbon tax to the U.S. for the hydro they sell them...
I'm also wondering if Ontario Hydro charge carbon tax for the electricity they sell the eastern states?
 

taxslave

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Green energy really shouldn't be any sort of subject to Canadians. You are really too far to the north and your weather doesn't promote use of most of the so-called methods of green energy.

Let me give you and example: California mid-state lies along the 37th parallel. This is really the limit for solar cells and California mid-state winds are the closest thing to perfect for wind power.

Our local energy supplier is Pacific Gas and Electricity. They have been TRYING to get "green" energy to work for 30 years. They have wind and solar farms so large that if they were ALL working at once at full efficiency that they could develop 19% of the peak demand on the system. This is ONE HELL of a lot of wind and solar farms. The land under the solar farms is useless. And the ground around the windmills is littered with some of the countries most endangered bird species. Their latest try is windmills with 49 meter long blades. These appear to turn much slower but I haven't seen any real information on the blade tip speed at operating speed. And these HUGE blades are a definite danger to the adjacent farms, roads and freeways should these composite blades break.

BUT two years ago we had the absolute BEST condition for these green resources that they ever had. It was a drought year with very light clouds if any and wind speeds normally just in the range of the sweet spot for the windmills.

And the result? They developed 3% of the total yearly requirement. Their normal production? 2%. The energy customer has spend millions and millions on these facilities and the American taxpayer has paid huge tax subsidies to allow PG&E to build this system in the first place.

What's more - these thousands of small energy sources have completely destroyed the "exact frequency standard" that the power company used to maintain. There are now so many sources coming on line and off line that the frequency is no long nearly perfect. Old standard electric clocks gain and lose time and in some seasons cab get 5 minutes off in less than a month.

When people say "renewable resources" and they are not talking about hydroelectricity kick them in the crotch.
There are other "green" energy sources besides solar. Granted most do not work on a large scale. Geothermal, biomas, wave power, which is pretty much hydro. Even wind which has the added benefit of providing a steady supply of fresh fowl.

Do they charge carbon tax to the U.S. for the hydro they sell them...
I'm also wondering if Ontario Hydro charge carbon tax for the electricity they sell the eastern states?

BC doesn't even charge carbon tax to Indians. Cause their cars are pollution free.
 

Wake

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Actually Canada has multiple sources of green energy. The region east of the Rockies features a westerly flow of air that is perfect for wind turbines. The Bay of Fundy has tides that generate enormous natural energy. And Canada has thousands of rivers for Hydro power. Let's face it - if a nation like Germany can generate green energy then a nation like Canada, which is about 30 times the size should have no problem at all.
Excuse me - you think that wind power is going to give you any significant power source with any reliability?

Damming off the Bay of Fundy would most certainly give you hydroelectric power (as I said in my original posting) but at what cost? The ENTIRE ecosystem in the Bay of Fundy is totally dependent upon the huge tides. Are you willing to destroy the ecosystem and the livelihoods of the entire region so that you can turn your lights on without burning some fossil fuels? If so then be very vocal about it so that you can be rapidly lynched and we can stop suffering from your entries.
 

EagleSmack

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Excuse me - you think that wind power is going to give you any significant power source with any reliability?

Of course not and they don't even care.

All they want is money. They want a steady stream of taxes, fees, and fines and nothing more.
 

Jinentonix

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Excuse me - you think that wind power is going to give you any significant power source with any reliability?

Damming off the Bay of Fundy would most certainly give you hydroelectric power (as I said in my original posting) but at what cost? The ENTIRE ecosystem in the Bay of Fundy is totally dependent upon the huge tides. Are you willing to destroy the ecosystem and the livelihoods of the entire region so that you can turn your lights on without burning some fossil fuels? If so then be very vocal about it so that you can be rapidly lynched and we can stop suffering from your entries.
You don't need to dam off the bay. You just need something that can use the ebb and flow of the tide to generate power. The Brits have been experimenting with similar technology along the Thames because of the powerful tides that roll in and out.
 

Wake

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You don't need to dam off the bay. You just need something that can use the ebb and flow of the tide to generate power. The Brits have been experimenting with similar technology along the Thames because of the powerful tides that roll in and out.
There is only one way to draw power off of the tides in the bay Fundy and that is the partial or total damming of the flow which in EITHER case would cause VAST ecological damage. This is quite different than using the Thames which was once a vast sewer.

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Wake

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Of course not and they don't even care.

All they want is money. They want a steady stream of taxes, fees, and fines and nothing more.
Another joke - the numbers of whales on the Pacific coast is HUGE and growing. In the annual migration of Grey and Humpback whales to Alaska waters after breeding in the warmer waters off of Mexico, if a mother whale's baby is getting too tired she will bring it into the San Francisco bay where conditions are such that the baby can rest and recuperate.

So what are the "environmentalists" talking about? Damming the Golden Gate for power. This would of course destroy the entire ecosystem of the bay, delta and river systems but who cares when you can call yourself an environmentalist?
 

EagleSmack

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Another joke - the numbers of whales on the Pacific coast is HUGE and growing. In the annual migration of Grey and Humpback whales to Alaska waters after breeding in the warmer waters off of Mexico, if a mother whale's baby is getting too tired she will bring it into the San Francisco bay where conditions are such that the baby can rest and recuperate.

So what are the "environmentalists" talking about? Damming the Golden Gate for power. This would of course destroy the entire ecosystem of the bay, delta and river systems but who cares when you can call yourself an environmentalist?

One need only look at the Dakota Access Protest Camp to see how ecotards really feel about the environment.

The US Government is in a race against time to clean up these savage's trash before the spring thaw melts and poisons the water supply.

 

Jinentonix

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