Persecution

herald
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Around the world, Christians are being persecuted for their faith. My grandparents went to China as missionaries. The Communists went to every house in the village and killed all foreigners, except their house. My grandfather was arrested by Mao Tse Tung, put on trial, with a gun held to his head. He was ordered to renounce his faith. Instead, he preached the gospel to thousands of Communist Chinese. They threw him into a dungeon. Meanwhile, my grandmother fled into the wilderness with the three children. My father, a very cerebral Pathologist said, bandits would ride up, slit your clothes and kill you. Out of nowhere, there was a sound of a bugle and it scared them off.

My grandfather prayed to the Lord, to take him home, or, set him free. That day "someone" came and opened the door. He thought he was going to be executed. Instead, he led him to the Hong Kong Harbor. He found his family and went to Singapore.

We are living in the last days, persecution is going to arise
. When the church was being persecuted by Saul, the Lord said, "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me? And he said, who art Thou Lord? And the Lord said I AM Jesus, whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks...Arise and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do." Acts 9:4-6.

Jesus said, "Blessed are ye when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for My sake." Matt 5:11.

Jesus said, "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them that despitefully use you and persecute you." Matt 5:44.

There are Christians all over the world, that have experienced persecution. Radical Islam and radical Hindus are persecuting Christians in their own countries. But we hear them say, "Persecution only makes us stronger." Can we say that? Muslims in Iran are having dreams and visions of Jesus and are coming to Him. I heard a testimony by a former Muslim the other day, he said, that, over 15 million Muslims are now Christians. There are Christian meetings of over 2 million strong in Nigeria. In Israel, there are over 180 Messianic congregations - those who claim, that, Jesus is the Messiah. God is pouring out His Spirit so much in China, that, they do not have enough pastors. Thousands of Christians disappear every year in North Korea. God is pouring out His Spirit in Northern Europe, and in Cuba, and in South America. We are approaching the end of all things.

Jesus said, "But he that received the seed in stony places, the same is he that heareth the Word, and anon with joy he receiveth it. Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for awhile: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the Word, by and by he is offended." Matt 13:21.

The Apostle Paul said, "Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." 2 Cor 12:10.

The Apostle Paul wrote, "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ, shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written For Thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height nor depth nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Rom 8:35-39.

The Apostle Paul wrote, "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." 2 Tim 3:12.

"And I saw under the altar the souls of them that were martyred for the Word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried out with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost Thou not judge, and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?" Rev 6:9,10.

Are we ready to be persecuted for our Lord Jesus Christ?
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by heraldView Post

God destroyed those in Sodom and Gomorrah for their homosexuality. But, there is a way out...Exodus International has been around for decades and they have delivered thousands of Homosexuals out of homosexuality...They have married wives, and have children.

Jesus said, "Ye must be born again, to enter into the kingdom of God. John 3. When His Spirit is within us, we are empowered to obey His Word.

Thou shalt practice as thou preaches
 
herald
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When you are born of His Spirit, you have the power to obey His Word/His law. John 3.
 
Liberalman
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how many times must you be born again in a lifetime?
 
Serryah
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"Exodus International has been around for decades and they have delivered thousands of Homosexuals out of homosexuality...They have married wives, and have children."

Three points:

1. These people either were never gay to begin with
2. They're Bisexual, which means it wouldn't matter what sex they were with
3. They're still gay, but deluded themselves into thinking otherwise out of fear which makes this "Organization" full of it.

That they have wives/husbands and children means nothing. Many gay people have wives or husbands, and kids, before they "come out", because complying with society was easier for them than being out and being true to themselves.

These people who say they were gay but aren't anymore, are either lying now, or were lying before.
 
Niflmir
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Also, life is a passing condition which we can cure a person of as well.
 
Lou Garu
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Quote: Originally Posted by SerryahView Post

"Exodus International has been around for decades and they have delivered thousands of Homosexuals out of homosexuality...They have married wives, and have children."

Three points:

1. These people either were never gay to begin with
2. They're Bisexual, which means it wouldn't matter what sex they were with
3. They're still gay, but deluded themselves into thinking otherwise out of fear which makes this "Organization" full of it.

That they have wives/husbands and children means nothing. Many gay people have wives or husbands, and kids, before they "come out", because complying with society was easier for them than being out and being true to themselves.

These people who say they were gay but aren't anymore, are either lying now, or were lying before.

Look for a little rationality and this is what you get...........
 
Serryah
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lou GaruView Post

Look for a little rationality and this is what you get...........

Meaning what, exactly?

Unless you actually believe people who are gay can be "cured" of their oh so horrible disease...

 
L Gilbert
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What goes around comes around. Persecute others (for being gay, non-Christian, witches, etc.) and you should expect to be persecuted right back.
 
lone wolf
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^^^^
Give that man a cee-gar!
 
herald
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When Moses struck the rock, God charged him with unbelief. Num 20:12. When the children of Israel disobeyed, they were not able to enter the Promised Land, because of unbelief. Heb 3:19. Unbelief comes out of an evil heart. Heb 3:12.

Disobedience = Unbelief
Obedience = Faith

Rom 16:26 refers to "the obedience of faith."

"Even so, faith if it hath not works is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe and tremble.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Was not Abraham our father, JUSTIFIED BY WORKS when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar (In response to God's command)?

SEEST THOU HOW FAITH WROUGHT WITH HIS WORKS, AND BY WORKS WAS FAITH MADE PERFECT?

And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD and it was imputed to him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

YE SEE THEN HOW THAT BY WORKS A MAN IS JUSTIFIED, AND NOT BY FAITH ONLY...For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." James 2.

Homosexuality is a sin against God. But, when you have His Spirit within you, you are empowered to obey His Word/His law. I would suggest that you invite His Spirit to live within you, and then you will have the power to escape homosexuality. Otherwise, you will be destroyed in the lake of fire, and not have eternal life.
 
Serryah
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Herald:

Great for your God; thankfully my "version" of "God" doesn't adhere to what men have written.
 
Cliffy
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I would suggest that you invite His Spirit to live within you

This reminds me of the scene in Ghost Busters when Segourney Weaver is is possessed by a demon and is floating horizontally through the air and speaking in a very deep voice, "I want you in my body!"

They conduct exorcisms for that sort of condition, don't they?
 
AnnaG
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Quote: Originally Posted by heraldView Post

When Moses struck the rock, God charged him with unbelief. Num 20:12. When the children of Israel disobeyed, they were not able to enter the Promised Land, because of unbelief. Heb 3:19. Unbelief comes out of an evil heart. Heb 3:12.

Disobedience = Unbelief
Obedience = Faith

Rom 16:26 refers to "the obedience of faith."

"Even so, faith if it hath not works is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe and tremble.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Was not Abraham our father, JUSTIFIED BY WORKS when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar (In response to God's command)?

SEEST THOU HOW FAITH WROUGHT WITH HIS WORKS, AND BY WORKS WAS FAITH MADE PERFECT?

And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD and it was imputed to him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

YE SEE THEN HOW THAT BY WORKS A MAN IS JUSTIFIED, AND NOT BY FAITH ONLY...For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." James 2.

Homosexuality is a sin against God. But, when you have His Spirit within you, you are empowered to obey His Word/His law. I would suggest that you invite His Spirit to live within you, and then you will have the power to escape homosexuality. Otherwise, you will be destroyed in the lake of fire, and not have eternal life.

"Homosexuality is a sin against god". I didn't see that in the 10 Commandments. But I did see "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". Now, when anyone derogates anyone else because of their beliefs, expounds on their own faith as the only true faith, that is bearing false witness because there is nothing conclusive suggesting that there is only one true faith.
 
Cliffy
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I would like to see herald and eanassir duke it out. The bible verses the quran: Friday night live on CNN, brought to you by Procter and Gamble (owned and operated by the Moonies).
 
lone wolf
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We can offer Harpo, Iggy, Layton and Dion's souls as incentive....
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

We can offer Harpo, Iggy, Layton and Dion's souls as incentive....

... but are they worth anything?
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

... but are they worth anything?

Might be to the winner. They've seldom been used....
 
Dexter Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

I would like to see herald and eanassir duke it out...

Duelling Bozos? I think that debate might be at the level of "Is so!" "Is not!" "Is so!" "Is not!" That's about the depth of thought they bring to most of their claims, it'd be just one long logically fallacious argument from different authorities.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Might be to the winner. They've seldom been used....

And I was under the impression they didn't have one. Hmmm! They were just hiding them then?
 
herald
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If you are an homosexual, you will be destroyed in the lake of fire, but, there is a way out...Invite the Spirit of God to live within you, and you will have eternal life.
 
lone wolf
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You're really fascinated by hot water ain'cha?
 
Cliffy
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From studying psychology it is my understanding that homophobes like herald are actually closet queens. He is probably so terrified of his attraction to men that he beats himself with a cat of nine tails every time he has "impure thoughts".
 
herald
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That isn't true...I walk in His Spirit and teach the Word.He gives us the power to obey His Word/His law. Those who break the Ten Commandments will be cast into the lake of fire and be destroyed.

"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have RIGHT to the tree of life, AND MAY ENTER IN through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14.

You, either, serve the Lord, or, you serve the Devil...if you serve the Devil, your end will be just as his end will be...the lake of fire. Rev 20:10.
Last edited by herald; Sep 23rd, 2009 at 05:57 AM..
 
Lou Garu
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Quote: Originally Posted by SerryahView Post

Meaning what, exactly?

Unless you actually believe people who are gay can be "cured" of their oh so horrible disease...

I consider the concept of one's sexual orientation as a disease.........
To be a flawed concept
And frankly ,the business of no one else's
 
Serryah
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lou GaruView Post

I consider the concept of one's sexual orientation as a disease.........
To be a flawed concept
And frankly ,the business of no one else's

Well, I agree with it being no one else's business.

I think people put too much emphasis on seuxal orientation, no matter which it is.
 
Serryah
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Quote: Originally Posted by heraldView Post

If you are an homosexual, you will be destroyed in the lake of fire, but, there is a way out...Invite the Spirit of God to live within you, and you will have eternal life.


My question? Prove that a homosexual will be destroyed in a lake of fire.

You can't.

Which makes everything you've stated, Herald, just one more opinion.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by heraldView Post

If you are an homosexual, you will be destroyed in the lake of fire, but, there is a way out...Invite the Spirit of God to live within you, and you will have eternal life.

So then a homosexual who invites the Spirit of God to within him/her will have eternal life. There ya go.
 
DurkaDurka
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Quote: Originally Posted by heraldView Post

If you are an homosexual, you will be destroyed in the lake of fire, but, there is a way out...Invite the Spirit of God to live within you, and you will have eternal life.

Are you inviting the spirit of god within you for friendship or romance?
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

Are you inviting the spirit of god within you for friendship or romance?

After reading the bible I decided that to have anything to do with that god would be screwing myself.
 

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