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October 27th, 2007, 08:04 AM
As long as the powers to be have you in some whiner mode to a God image they get to do what they want to do like going to war with your children in the name of that god image...Hell our parliment swears in on the bible for crying out loud!!!! think about that....
You know the concept of Karma and reincarnitaion is a much stronger point of refferance...why?...it makes you take responsability for your lot in life...no one to blame but yourself...no crosses to bear...just your own stupidity that got you there...or your own generosity.....
Quoting triedit
this is an important point...this promotes strenght where as whining to some god image promotes weakness....
Just means that I pray, I try to do right, I care about others, etc. Basically the same as Christains only without anybody between--like a saint or Christ.
As long as the powers to be have you in some whiner mode to a God image they get to do what they want to do like going to war with your children in the name of that god image...Hell our parliment swears in on the bible for crying out loud!!!! think about that....
You know the concept of Karma and reincarnitaion is a much stronger point of refferance...why?...it makes you take responsability for your lot in life...no one to blame but yourself...no crosses to bear...just your own stupidity that got you there...or your own generosity.....
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October 27th, 2007, 11:17 AM
Just knowing you aren't alone is solidarity. Realizing you aren't the greatest is humbling. Knowing your actions affect others builds compassion. Believing someone's got your back gives confidence. You can call it as you choose. Give it whatever name you want. If you have faith in you, then you have everything.
Woof!
Just knowing you aren't alone is solidarity. Realizing you aren't the greatest is humbling. Knowing your actions affect others builds compassion. Believing someone's got your back gives confidence. You can call it as you choose. Give it whatever name you want. If you have faith in you, then you have everything.
Woof!
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October 27th, 2007, 11:21 AM
Odd, I watched all 20 odd minutes of this short film and my world view has not changed at all...
Quoting DocDred
4 minutes into this and your world view will change
http://video.google.es/videoplay?doc...75979627863972
http://video.google.es/videoplay?doc...75979627863972
Odd, I watched all 20 odd minutes of this short film and my world view has not changed at all...
Mighty Intellect
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October 27th, 2007, 11:37 AM
You mentioned karma and reincarnation, well that is proof that what I am saying is correct.
Here is the whole thing in a nut shell. To me, it was given to know by time, place and who I was born to, the knowledge of an existing entity, by reason of history, the printed word (Bible) and my personal faith in all of it.
To others, was not. Those born of different religious beliefs, those born without religious beliefs and those born in primitive conditions.
My burden for having this knowledge is: to love my neighbor, show my neighbor that there is kindness and compassion in this hellish world, to help and aid someone in distress and to demonstrate by reflection who my God is.
Despite all that, I have to contend with my own selfishness, my own weaknesses and pride.
And, I can tell you right now, that without the standard and power of my God in me, I am absolutely helpless to perform that which is good.
Now, some of you may say, well, I don't believe in God, and I can perform those same standards of good.
And to that I say yes you can. For it is already within you to do so, otherwise, you couldn't.
If but,you could recognize it as from God, like I do, there would be great appreciation, joy, and happiness unbeknown to the world outside.
Unfortunately, a bad example has been given in the name of God by those claiming to know God that soured their minds against God.
Which makes my burden even heavier. It is akin to going against all odds.
But one good bit of good news that I can impart is that my God loves all souls, good and or bad.
That part has been dealt with from the beginning of time of humanity, and for all future yet unborn souls.
And, as you said, the thoughts of karma and reincarnation, are correct in this respect, that each one of us will not get away from our own consequences, but are and will be accountable for them here, in this time and not in any other.
So, the words are, whatever you sow, that shall you reap. If you sow good seed, good fruit shall you reap.
Which it comes down to this: with or without God, we all go through this world in the same condition, accountable to our selves.
What shall it then be? By what standard shall one live by, and is there a source of strength we can tap into in our times of despair, need and or devastations?
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting DocDred
Inner instinct is correct. There is not one soul living that does not have some inkling of a higher spirit, whatever that higher spirit is, depends on the time, place and to whom was one born to.
This is true for some. You make it sound like it is some inner instinct breaking through rather than a contrived lie put to the masses from those in power to continue to have power over the suffering masses.....
You mentioned karma and reincarnation, well that is proof that what I am saying is correct.
Here is the whole thing in a nut shell. To me, it was given to know by time, place and who I was born to, the knowledge of an existing entity, by reason of history, the printed word (Bible) and my personal faith in all of it.
To others, was not. Those born of different religious beliefs, those born without religious beliefs and those born in primitive conditions.
My burden for having this knowledge is: to love my neighbor, show my neighbor that there is kindness and compassion in this hellish world, to help and aid someone in distress and to demonstrate by reflection who my God is.
Despite all that, I have to contend with my own selfishness, my own weaknesses and pride.
And, I can tell you right now, that without the standard and power of my God in me, I am absolutely helpless to perform that which is good.
Now, some of you may say, well, I don't believe in God, and I can perform those same standards of good.
And to that I say yes you can. For it is already within you to do so, otherwise, you couldn't.
If but,you could recognize it as from God, like I do, there would be great appreciation, joy, and happiness unbeknown to the world outside.
Unfortunately, a bad example has been given in the name of God by those claiming to know God that soured their minds against God.
Which makes my burden even heavier. It is akin to going against all odds.
But one good bit of good news that I can impart is that my God loves all souls, good and or bad.
That part has been dealt with from the beginning of time of humanity, and for all future yet unborn souls.
And, as you said, the thoughts of karma and reincarnation, are correct in this respect, that each one of us will not get away from our own consequences, but are and will be accountable for them here, in this time and not in any other.
So, the words are, whatever you sow, that shall you reap. If you sow good seed, good fruit shall you reap.
Which it comes down to this: with or without God, we all go through this world in the same condition, accountable to our selves.
What shall it then be? By what standard shall one live by, and is there a source of strength we can tap into in our times of despair, need and or devastations?
Peace>>>AJ
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October 27th, 2007, 11:40 AM
If you hate yourself, you are not much good to anybody, much less to yourself.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting lone wolf
I believe your correct in that assessment, but I think that it is called, first love yourself before you can love someone else.
Just knowing you aren't alone is solidarity. Realizing you aren't the greatest is humbling. Knowing your actions affect others builds compassion. Believing someone's got your back gives confidence. You can call it as you choose. Give it whatever name you want. If you have faith in you, then you have everything.
Woof!
Woof!
If you hate yourself, you are not much good to anybody, much less to yourself.
Peace>>>AJ
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October 27th, 2007, 12:36 PM
How does it feel when your God is retired to the legions of fables that make up modern mythology?
How does it feel when your God is retired to the legions of fables that make up modern mythology?
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October 27th, 2007, 02:57 PM
For if others could see and feel the presence of this wonderful God, one would appreciate all His goodness.
What mankind sees is not the spiritual goodness of what God is, but the unethical, lording and unjust God painted by the eyes of mankind.
A myth if you will seen only by the eyes of man of the world.
Yes, you see all the killings, the sacrifices, nations against nations and of course the evil which mankind make in the name of gods.
But to see the goodness and the severity of God as a parent God, interested only in the well fair of His children, one can understand things most people don't.
My having raised 6 children, gives me the expertise to understand what God is all about.
Love your children, but correct them in love so that maybe, they might see the error of their ways and learn.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting Unforgiven
Well, it is not a feelings as what you might think, but one of complete sadness.
How does it feel when your God is retired to the legions of fables that make up modern mythology?
For if others could see and feel the presence of this wonderful God, one would appreciate all His goodness.
What mankind sees is not the spiritual goodness of what God is, but the unethical, lording and unjust God painted by the eyes of mankind.
A myth if you will seen only by the eyes of man of the world.
Yes, you see all the killings, the sacrifices, nations against nations and of course the evil which mankind make in the name of gods.
But to see the goodness and the severity of God as a parent God, interested only in the well fair of His children, one can understand things most people don't.
My having raised 6 children, gives me the expertise to understand what God is all about.
Love your children, but correct them in love so that maybe, they might see the error of their ways and learn.
Peace>>>AJ
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October 27th, 2007, 03:41 PM
when you stop trying to convince yourself I think we could have a conversation.....you just wrote to yourself to convince yourself about your religion....it has nothing to do at all with the OP. zero....
Quoting look3467
This is not an insult AJ but an observation......ok?
Inner instinct is correct. There is not one soul living that does not have some inkling of a higher spirit, whatever that higher spirit is, depends on the time, place and to whom was one born to.
You mentioned karma and reincarnation, well that is proof that what I am saying is correct.
Here is the whole thing in a nut shell. To me, it was given to know by time, place and who I was born to, the knowledge of an existing entity, by reason of history, the printed word (Bible) and my personal faith in all of it.
To others, was not. Those born of different religious beliefs, those born without religious beliefs and those born in primitive conditions.
My burden for having this knowledge is: to love my neighbor, show my neighbor that there is kindness and compassion in this hellish world, to help and aid someone in distress and to demonstrate by reflection who my God is.
Despite all that, I have to contend with my own selfishness, my own weaknesses and pride.
And, I can tell you right now, that without the standard and power of my God in me, I am absolutely helpless to perform that which is good.
Now, some of you may say, well, I don't believe in God, and I can perform those same standards of good.
And to that I say yes you can. For it is already within you to do so, otherwise, you couldn't.
If but,you could recognize it as from God, like I do, there would be great appreciation, joy, and happiness unbeknown to the world outside.
Unfortunately, a bad example has been given in the name of God by those claiming to know God that soured their minds against God.
Which makes my burden even heavier. It is akin to going against all odds.
But one good bit of good news that I can impart is that my God loves all souls, good and or bad.
That part has been dealt with from the beginning of time of humanity, and for all future yet unborn souls.
And, as you said, the thoughts of karma and reincarnation, are correct in this respect, that each one of us will not get away from our own consequences, but are and will be accountable for them here, in this time and not in any other.
So, the words are, whatever you sow, that shall you reap. If you sow good seed, good fruit shall you reap.
Which it comes down to this: with or without God, we all go through this world in the same condition, accountable to our selves.
What shall it then be? By what standard shall one live by, and is there a source of strength we can tap into in our times of despair, need and or devastations?
Peace>>>AJ
You mentioned karma and reincarnation, well that is proof that what I am saying is correct.
Here is the whole thing in a nut shell. To me, it was given to know by time, place and who I was born to, the knowledge of an existing entity, by reason of history, the printed word (Bible) and my personal faith in all of it.
To others, was not. Those born of different religious beliefs, those born without religious beliefs and those born in primitive conditions.
My burden for having this knowledge is: to love my neighbor, show my neighbor that there is kindness and compassion in this hellish world, to help and aid someone in distress and to demonstrate by reflection who my God is.
Despite all that, I have to contend with my own selfishness, my own weaknesses and pride.
And, I can tell you right now, that without the standard and power of my God in me, I am absolutely helpless to perform that which is good.
Now, some of you may say, well, I don't believe in God, and I can perform those same standards of good.
And to that I say yes you can. For it is already within you to do so, otherwise, you couldn't.
If but,you could recognize it as from God, like I do, there would be great appreciation, joy, and happiness unbeknown to the world outside.
Unfortunately, a bad example has been given in the name of God by those claiming to know God that soured their minds against God.
Which makes my burden even heavier. It is akin to going against all odds.
But one good bit of good news that I can impart is that my God loves all souls, good and or bad.
That part has been dealt with from the beginning of time of humanity, and for all future yet unborn souls.
And, as you said, the thoughts of karma and reincarnation, are correct in this respect, that each one of us will not get away from our own consequences, but are and will be accountable for them here, in this time and not in any other.
So, the words are, whatever you sow, that shall you reap. If you sow good seed, good fruit shall you reap.
Which it comes down to this: with or without God, we all go through this world in the same condition, accountable to our selves.
What shall it then be? By what standard shall one live by, and is there a source of strength we can tap into in our times of despair, need and or devastations?
Peace>>>AJ
when you stop trying to convince yourself I think we could have a conversation.....you just wrote to yourself to convince yourself about your religion....it has nothing to do at all with the OP. zero....
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October 27th, 2007, 03:45 PM
You just reinstating your belief system to yourself.You are insulating yourself from truth .....
Quoting look3467
Again you did not address this
Well, it is not a feelings as what you might think, but one of complete sadness.
For if others could see and feel the presence of this wonderful God, one would appreciate all His goodness.
What mankind sees is not the spiritual goodness of what God is, but the unethical, lording and unjust God painted by the eyes of mankind.
A myth if you will seen only by the eyes of man of the world.
Yes, you see all the killings, the sacrifices, nations against nations and of course the evil which mankind make in the name of gods.
But to see the goodness and the severity of God as a parent God, interested only in the well fair of His children, one can understand things most people don't.
My having raised 6 children, gives me the expertise to understand what God is all about.
Love your children, but correct them in love so that maybe, they might see the error of their ways and learn.
Peace>>>AJ
For if others could see and feel the presence of this wonderful God, one would appreciate all His goodness.
What mankind sees is not the spiritual goodness of what God is, but the unethical, lording and unjust God painted by the eyes of mankind.
A myth if you will seen only by the eyes of man of the world.
Yes, you see all the killings, the sacrifices, nations against nations and of course the evil which mankind make in the name of gods.
But to see the goodness and the severity of God as a parent God, interested only in the well fair of His children, one can understand things most people don't.
My having raised 6 children, gives me the expertise to understand what God is all about.
Love your children, but correct them in love so that maybe, they might see the error of their ways and learn.
Peace>>>AJ
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question.
Originally Posted by Unforgiven
How does it feel when your God is retired to the legions of fables that make up modern mythology?
How does it feel when your God is retired to the legions of fables that make up modern mythology?
You just reinstating your belief system to yourself.You are insulating yourself from truth .....
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October 27th, 2007, 04:54 PM
I may confirm my own beliefs as written, but I know that there are more like me that would relate to what i said.
There are those who believe and those who do not.
The struggle is in who is going to persuade the other of the realness of either thought?
After all, is that not what we are all doing here?
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting DocDred
I'm a stubborn old man, and I saw the video, movie and I came away thinking that the if this is what mankind thinks, then it is a sad state of affairs.
Again you did not address this question.
You just reinstating your belief system to yourself.You are insulating yourself from truth .....
You just reinstating your belief system to yourself.You are insulating yourself from truth .....
I may confirm my own beliefs as written, but I know that there are more like me that would relate to what i said.
There are those who believe and those who do not.
The struggle is in who is going to persuade the other of the realness of either thought?
After all, is that not what we are all doing here?
Peace>>>AJ
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October 27th, 2007, 06:12 PM
Interesting little video there in the OP, but one of its initial claims bothered me so I've been checking it out. Sirius and the three stars in Orion's belt do not form a line that points to the location of the sunrise on December 25th. Not now, not 2000 years ago at the supposed birth of Jesus, not 5000 years ago in Horus' time, not ever as far as I've been able to determine. I don't think there's much doubt that the Jews picked up the Mithras story during the Babylonian diaspora and brought it back to Palestine where parts of it got incorporated into the Jesus story, a lot of Biblical stories can be traced to similar stories in other cultures. Almost every culture has a flood myth, for instance, and tales of resurrected gods and virgin births and so forth.
It's not a surprise that pre-scientific cultures would have a celebration around the time of the winter solstice either. Lacking any knowledge of the earth's orbital mechanics, they would observe the sun rising later and setting earlier, and if that goes on long enough it'll disappear entirely, but after the solstice it starts rising earlier and setting later, hallelujah the sun is reborn, life will continue. Either you celebrate that, or you indulge in assorted propitiatory rituals to make sure it happens, or both. It's also pretty common for the new religion on the block to hijack the rituals of the old one, so it can say things like, "Yes, you're right to celebrate around the time of the winter solstice, but here's the real reason..."
I didn't watch the video to the end though. I saw from other comments in here that it gets into 9/11 conspiracy theories, and I'm tired of that nonsense.
Interesting little video there in the OP, but one of its initial claims bothered me so I've been checking it out. Sirius and the three stars in Orion's belt do not form a line that points to the location of the sunrise on December 25th. Not now, not 2000 years ago at the supposed birth of Jesus, not 5000 years ago in Horus' time, not ever as far as I've been able to determine. I don't think there's much doubt that the Jews picked up the Mithras story during the Babylonian diaspora and brought it back to Palestine where parts of it got incorporated into the Jesus story, a lot of Biblical stories can be traced to similar stories in other cultures. Almost every culture has a flood myth, for instance, and tales of resurrected gods and virgin births and so forth.
It's not a surprise that pre-scientific cultures would have a celebration around the time of the winter solstice either. Lacking any knowledge of the earth's orbital mechanics, they would observe the sun rising later and setting earlier, and if that goes on long enough it'll disappear entirely, but after the solstice it starts rising earlier and setting later, hallelujah the sun is reborn, life will continue. Either you celebrate that, or you indulge in assorted propitiatory rituals to make sure it happens, or both. It's also pretty common for the new religion on the block to hijack the rituals of the old one, so it can say things like, "Yes, you're right to celebrate around the time of the winter solstice, but here's the real reason..."
I didn't watch the video to the end though. I saw from other comments in here that it gets into 9/11 conspiracy theories, and I'm tired of that nonsense.
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October 27th, 2007, 06:16 PM
That directed at me, YoungJoonKim? Science makes no such claims and never has, and neither have I.
That directed at me, YoungJoonKim? Science makes no such claims and never has, and neither have I.
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October 27th, 2007, 08:22 PM
interesting point about the stars...so this guy is as bad as the people he is whipping then....go figure..lol..thanks for the input Dexter.....well done....
interesting point about the stars...so this guy is as bad as the people he is whipping then....go figure..lol..thanks for the input Dexter.....well done....
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October 27th, 2007, 09:14 PM
One thing that raised my eyebrows was the whole Dec 25th thing. The date, as I understand it, was originally celebrated on the Winter Solstance but due to an inpresise calandar it slipped 4 days and they did not move it when they corrected the calendar. So the assertions about Dec 25th don't wring too true to me. Also, the sun would start moving south again the day after the solstice. There is no 3 days of suspense. Granted the changes are smaller at the solstaces but they are still there. And, furthermore, if there was a point where the sun's movement would be minimal, it woud straddle the solstace equally on both sides.
Its a nice theory but I don't see it ever being proved anthing but wishful thinking.
One thing that raised my eyebrows was the whole Dec 25th thing. The date, as I understand it, was originally celebrated on the Winter Solstance but due to an inpresise calandar it slipped 4 days and they did not move it when they corrected the calendar. So the assertions about Dec 25th don't wring too true to me. Also, the sun would start moving south again the day after the solstice. There is no 3 days of suspense. Granted the changes are smaller at the solstaces but they are still there. And, furthermore, if there was a point where the sun's movement would be minimal, it woud straddle the solstace equally on both sides.
Its a nice theory but I don't see it ever being proved anthing but wishful thinking.
