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February 24th, 2008, 05:47 PM
Would you say that it comes down to Gods unconditional love for his children? He may get pissed, but that doesn't mean he loves us any less, nor does he love some more than others.
Quoting look3467
I am rock solid on the bible's account of things, understand the conditions placed on mankind's choices of religious beliefs, understand your choice to believe what you want, and still be able to include all of them in the kingdom of God.
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Would you say that it comes down to Gods unconditional love for his children? He may get pissed, but that doesn't mean he loves us any less, nor does he love some more than others.
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February 24th, 2008, 08:15 PM
ways, as I could say the 'same' as the above about my life.
Quoting look3467
We live in two different worlds of thought A.J., but we both think the same in many
, for I am free from all of that, from organized religion, from any an all of the worlds beliefs, for there is absolutely nothing that will rattle my cage, for I am from a view point of understanding surpassing all of them.
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ways, as I could say the 'same' as the above about my life.
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February 24th, 2008, 10:38 PM
Now, an earthly father or mother does get angry at their kids sometimes, but never a thought of total destruction of their relationship with them, but instead are slow to anger and long-suffering to wards them in the hopes that they might learn to do right.
God is no different because we have those same qualities as parents.
Love is unconditional to wards our kids and we'd go to great lengths to help them survive this treacherous world.
peace>>>AJ
Quoting gerryh
My understanding is that God loves us unconditionally,proven at the cross.
Would you say that it comes down to Gods unconditional love for his children? He may get pissed, but that doesn't mean he loves us any less, nor does he love some more than others.
Now, an earthly father or mother does get angry at their kids sometimes, but never a thought of total destruction of their relationship with them, but instead are slow to anger and long-suffering to wards them in the hopes that they might learn to do right.
God is no different because we have those same qualities as parents.
Love is unconditional to wards our kids and we'd go to great lengths to help them survive this treacherous world.
peace>>>AJ
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February 25th, 2008, 05:23 PM
My gosh, yer startin' to sound like yer almost a Deity unto yerself, "being inclusive of every soul that ever broke the womb"..sounds rather ominiscient with a slight aftertaste of omniprescence...amusing, but lacking any veracity.
Do you have a standing prescription for anti-psychotics?
My gosh, yer startin' to sound like yer almost a Deity unto yerself, "being inclusive of every soul that ever broke the womb"..sounds rather ominiscient with a slight aftertaste of omniprescence...amusing, but lacking any veracity.
Do you have a standing prescription for anti-psychotics?
February 25th, 2008, 05:30 PM
Quoting mrgrumpy
How is that an okay thing to say to someone? Are you out to prove that atheists live by a lower moral code or something grumpy? Geez.
Do you have a standing prescription for anti-psychotics?
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February 25th, 2008, 05:50 PM
Quoting look3467
Putting Israel into exile several time would seem that love as not being unconditional. Fortunately, once His anger is passed the old things are not remembered. Unconditional love would also seem to eliminate chastisement, and that is something everybody will experience at one time or another.
My understanding is that God loves us unconditionally,proven at the cross.
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February 25th, 2008, 05:59 PM
Dearest, sweetest Karrie,
What an undeserved pleasure to be the subject of your interest.
Have you sought out the reading I recommended? I hope so.
I'm mildly curious about your postings, being as we say, singularly anachronistic, even for the zeitgeist of a psych student, a Catholic and a moderator for this third rate and intellectually deprived forum;
What exactly is "Genital integrity for all sexes"?... and how does it relate to children slaying extant dragons?
Is this the boffo outcome of troubled dreams, or some deeper issues?
How this rendering of the real world might affect any children in your care poses serious and profound issues conecerning your parental abilities.
But do not despair! There are wonderful new pharmeceutical products to alleviate many conditions and I am confident an appropriate prescription is available.
Best wishes to you,
Sincerely,
mrgrumpy
Dearest, sweetest Karrie,
What an undeserved pleasure to be the subject of your interest.
Have you sought out the reading I recommended? I hope so.
I'm mildly curious about your postings, being as we say, singularly anachronistic, even for the zeitgeist of a psych student, a Catholic and a moderator for this third rate and intellectually deprived forum;
What exactly is "Genital integrity for all sexes"?... and how does it relate to children slaying extant dragons?
Is this the boffo outcome of troubled dreams, or some deeper issues?
How this rendering of the real world might affect any children in your care poses serious and profound issues conecerning your parental abilities.
But do not despair! There are wonderful new pharmeceutical products to alleviate many conditions and I am confident an appropriate prescription is available.
Best wishes to you,
Sincerely,
mrgrumpy
February 25th, 2008, 06:08 PM
If you want to claim that the forum is intellectually deprived, don't stoop to such depths. Explain and defend your position. If you can't, then I'll merely assume that turning to personal attacks is this lack of intellect of which you speak.
If you want to claim that the forum is intellectually deprived, don't stoop to such depths. Explain and defend your position. If you can't, then I'll merely assume that turning to personal attacks is this lack of intellect of which you speak.
Quoting mrgrumpy
Dearest, sweetest Karrie,
What an undeserved pleasure to be the subject of your interest.
Have you sought out the reading I recommended? I hope so.
I'm mildly curious about your postings, being as we say, singularly anachronistic, even for the zeitgeist of a psych student, a Catholic and a moderator for this third rate and intellectually deprived forum;
What exactly is "Genital integrity for all sexes"?... and how does it relate to children slaying extant dragons?
Is this the boffo outcome of troubled dreams, or some deeper issues?
How this rendering of the real world might affect any children in your care poses serious and profound issues conecerning your parental abilities.
But do not despair! There are wonderful new pharmeceutical products to alleviate many conditions and I am confident an appropriate prescription is available.
Best wishes to you,
Sincerely,
mrgrumpy
What an undeserved pleasure to be the subject of your interest.
Have you sought out the reading I recommended? I hope so.
I'm mildly curious about your postings, being as we say, singularly anachronistic, even for the zeitgeist of a psych student, a Catholic and a moderator for this third rate and intellectually deprived forum;
What exactly is "Genital integrity for all sexes"?... and how does it relate to children slaying extant dragons?
Is this the boffo outcome of troubled dreams, or some deeper issues?
How this rendering of the real world might affect any children in your care poses serious and profound issues conecerning your parental abilities.
But do not despair! There are wonderful new pharmeceutical products to alleviate many conditions and I am confident an appropriate prescription is available.
Best wishes to you,
Sincerely,
mrgrumpy
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February 25th, 2008, 06:53 PM
Now , now don't be a sour puss...we're all dying to know about your dragon slaying and genital integrity...I think I've addressed everything put to me...but you've just been so coquetishly shy about dragons and genitalia!
Go on, take a pill and tell us the whole icky story.
Now , now don't be a sour puss...we're all dying to know about your dragon slaying and genital integrity...I think I've addressed everything put to me...but you've just been so coquetishly shy about dragons and genitalia!
Go on, take a pill and tell us the whole icky story.
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February 25th, 2008, 07:13 PM
Well, I'm sure Karrie has just a uber shrechlich tale for us when the drugs kick in but I have early appointments in the morning and must take my leave...happy dreams to all, sans dragons and 'naughty bits' as the Brits would say...
Well, I'm sure Karrie has just a uber shrechlich tale for us when the drugs kick in but I have early appointments in the morning and must take my leave...happy dreams to all, sans dragons and 'naughty bits' as the Brits would say...
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February 25th, 2008, 11:34 PM
The irony is that I partly agree with you, but not for the reasons you might think.
I believe the God impulse can better be understood as an archetype of unity that inhabits our minds and souls. This archetype is felt as an impulse to feel united and complete within one's own self and within the 'outer world'.
We all come from the same place: our mother's womb... In this pre-natal state, the growing human is in a state of nearly perfect symbiosis with its environment. From the baby's point of view, nothing exists and nothing matters except himself and the womb... And while none of us remember how our mother's womb felt like, it can be guessed that the womb and 'the self' was experienced as a relatively undifferentiated whole. The feeling of union and deep connection with and within the womb was probably one of the strongest we've ever experienced...
But what happens when the baby is forced out of the womb? It is probably experienced as a feeling of absolute severance... of deeply painful rupture... This defining moment probably leaves an psychic imprint so powerful it will last for one's life time. The need to be loved, to be touched, to feel included and accepted is felt by nearly everyone. I believe this impulse for union and communion extends itself to all that is perceived as being the outer world. This is where the notion of God comes in. The God impulse comes from our need to feel connected to and 'mothered' by the World.
But more than it ever was, it is difficult to feel connected to the World in our modern existence. In today's society, the state of alienation from the world is indeed overwhelming... The universe is now understood as being inconceivably huge (and small in its micro-levels) and the rational scientific world view tends to teach us that this 'objective' outer reality is devoid of intelligence, meaning and purpose beyond what we can project onto it.
But is the world beyond ourselves merely a lifeless mechanical puzzle of interacting bits of matter and energy? Or is it permeated by life? I of course, choose life over death.
Quoting Scott Free
What a condescending comment.
I
I really think the god impulse in people is an impulse to stay irresponsible in a perpetual childhood. How sad! How pathetic!
I really think the god impulse in people is an impulse to stay irresponsible in a perpetual childhood. How sad! How pathetic!
The irony is that I partly agree with you, but not for the reasons you might think.
I believe the God impulse can better be understood as an archetype of unity that inhabits our minds and souls. This archetype is felt as an impulse to feel united and complete within one's own self and within the 'outer world'.
We all come from the same place: our mother's womb... In this pre-natal state, the growing human is in a state of nearly perfect symbiosis with its environment. From the baby's point of view, nothing exists and nothing matters except himself and the womb... And while none of us remember how our mother's womb felt like, it can be guessed that the womb and 'the self' was experienced as a relatively undifferentiated whole. The feeling of union and deep connection with and within the womb was probably one of the strongest we've ever experienced...
But what happens when the baby is forced out of the womb? It is probably experienced as a feeling of absolute severance... of deeply painful rupture... This defining moment probably leaves an psychic imprint so powerful it will last for one's life time. The need to be loved, to be touched, to feel included and accepted is felt by nearly everyone. I believe this impulse for union and communion extends itself to all that is perceived as being the outer world. This is where the notion of God comes in. The God impulse comes from our need to feel connected to and 'mothered' by the World.
But more than it ever was, it is difficult to feel connected to the World in our modern existence. In today's society, the state of alienation from the world is indeed overwhelming... The universe is now understood as being inconceivably huge (and small in its micro-levels) and the rational scientific world view tends to teach us that this 'objective' outer reality is devoid of intelligence, meaning and purpose beyond what we can project onto it.
But is the world beyond ourselves merely a lifeless mechanical puzzle of interacting bits of matter and energy? Or is it permeated by life? I of course, choose life over death.
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February 26th, 2008, 12:44 AM
Gods selection of Israel made Israel to have a direct relationship with the Father.
So when Jesus came with a new version of the Father, it was rejected according to law.
Jesus further infuriated them by cutting them off to the point of great offending, for Jesus told them that they now had to go through Him to get to the Father.
That is understood in this verse:
Isa 9:14 Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.
In other words, in the following order, Jesus will cut Israel off from their direct relationship with the Father and Israel will cut Jesus of from the land of the living.
Isa 9:15 The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.
Israel is the ancient and honorable, and the prophet Jesus, in Israel eyes thought lies, is the tail.
That one day, is what the book all of Revelation is about.
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Quoting MHz
Israel is the instrument by which salvation was made possible to the gentile world!
Putting Israel into exile several time would seem that love as not being unconditional. Fortunately, once His anger is passed the old things are not remembered. Unconditional love would also seem to eliminate chastisement, and that is something everybody will experience at one time or another.
Gods selection of Israel made Israel to have a direct relationship with the Father.
So when Jesus came with a new version of the Father, it was rejected according to law.
Jesus further infuriated them by cutting them off to the point of great offending, for Jesus told them that they now had to go through Him to get to the Father.
That is understood in this verse:
Isa 9:14 Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.
In other words, in the following order, Jesus will cut Israel off from their direct relationship with the Father and Israel will cut Jesus of from the land of the living.
Isa 9:15 The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.
Israel is the ancient and honorable, and the prophet Jesus, in Israel eyes thought lies, is the tail.
That one day, is what the book all of Revelation is about.
Peace>>>AJ
