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August 10th, 2007, 11:39 PM
The bible is written by man inspired to write.
The harmony of all of their writings is astoundingly intertwined to arrive at the same spiritual truth.
The story of Job, is the similitude of the sufferings and trial of Jesus.
The story of Abraham’s attempt to sacrifice his own son is a similitude of the sacrifice of Jesus.
The bible as a whole is beautifully and wonderfully inspired to reveal truths contained in many stories.
Everything fits perfectly and in harmony with the works of God.
The God, God almighty and better known to all humanity if accepted, is Jesus.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting Minority Observer84
The real God is by Jewish introduction.
And you know this how exactly ?
The bible is written by man inspired to write.
The harmony of all of their writings is astoundingly intertwined to arrive at the same spiritual truth.
The story of Job, is the similitude of the sufferings and trial of Jesus.
The story of Abraham’s attempt to sacrifice his own son is a similitude of the sacrifice of Jesus.
The bible as a whole is beautifully and wonderfully inspired to reveal truths contained in many stories.
Everything fits perfectly and in harmony with the works of God.
The God, God almighty and better known to all humanity if accepted, is Jesus.
Peace>>>AJ
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August 10th, 2007, 11:42 PM
The only thing that is left for us to do, is to believe in Him.
Which is an option, and if exercised early in life, blessing are in abundance.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting Minority Observer84
There are scriptures to indicate the existence of life here after. The whole purpose of the coming of Jesus was to gift life here after to all humanity.
You don't know anything that's the point . Everyone Dies in the words of a brave cancer survivor I know , when asked how he feels about his recovery and the removal of the death sentence that has been hanging over his head he replied " Life is a terminal condition , it's still hanging over my head "
Also in the words of Mark Twain " I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born " Dying is a natural part of being alive , and just because we don't know what happens after death does not mean that something does happen after death . Fear is a tool theists use to scare their questions away .
Also in the words of Mark Twain " I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born " Dying is a natural part of being alive , and just because we don't know what happens after death does not mean that something does happen after death . Fear is a tool theists use to scare their questions away .
The only thing that is left for us to do, is to believe in Him.
Which is an option, and if exercised early in life, blessing are in abundance.
Peace>>>AJ
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August 11th, 2007, 04:19 AM
How do u know that ?
Duh the bible of course . This is the funniest reply ever.
Quoting look3467
True God revealed himself . The real God is by Jewish introduction.
The bible is written by man inspired to write.
The harmony of all of their writings is astoundingly intertwined to arrive at the same spiritual truth.
The story of Job, is the similitude of the sufferings and trial of Jesus.
The story of Abraham’s attempt to sacrifice his own son is a similitude of the sacrifice of Jesus.
The bible as a whole is beautifully and wonderfully inspired to reveal truths contained in many stories.
Everything fits perfectly and in harmony with the works of God.
The God, God almighty and better known to all humanity if accepted, is Jesus.
Peace>>>AJ
The bible is written by man inspired to write.
The harmony of all of their writings is astoundingly intertwined to arrive at the same spiritual truth.
The story of Job, is the similitude of the sufferings and trial of Jesus.
The story of Abraham’s attempt to sacrifice his own son is a similitude of the sacrifice of Jesus.
The bible as a whole is beautifully and wonderfully inspired to reveal truths contained in many stories.
Everything fits perfectly and in harmony with the works of God.
The God, God almighty and better known to all humanity if accepted, is Jesus.
Peace>>>AJ
How do u know that ?
Duh the bible of course . This is the funniest reply ever.
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August 11th, 2007, 04:21 AM
Quoting look3467
AJ you are a master of cyclical reasoning . I believe in the afterlife . Why ? Because the bible says there is one .
There are scriptures to indicate the existence of life here after. The whole purpose of the coming of Jesus was to gift life here after to all humanity.
The only thing that is left for us to do, is to believe in Him.
Which is an option, and if exercised early in life, blessing are in abundance.
Peace>>>AJ
The only thing that is left for us to do, is to believe in Him.
Which is an option, and if exercised early in life, blessing are in abundance.
Peace>>>AJ
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August 19th, 2007, 01:03 AM
To declare that our consciousness will disappear after biological failure, must be discussed.
Consciousness sometimes become limited when brain, physical attributes, limits physical behaviours to a point that is not normal. However, individuals have emotions yet and still that is apart from physical attributes and elements. Those who are paralyzed can sometimes show signs of emotions during a critical time (when the decision of death is made) though their body limits her signs of emotions, she is fully able to feel, inside, emotions to object against death sentence.
Even a mentally unstable people share common traits. They feel guilt or happiness.
Sometimes, I believe, emotions that are from consciousness are not produced by brain itself. Brain itself is a product of consciousness to output the emotion of consciousness itself.
Mind exists because conscious allows it to be so, not because the brain allows it to be so. To have a pure and powerful consciousness to to control body's natural temptation such as sexual attraction, rage, and sadness. Though these are sometimes product of consciousness, the mind of the brain itself contributes some to the consciousness of the that person.
Fortunately, consciousness can combat such threat under some circumstances.
Our consciousness still exist in our sleeping also. Our consiouness acts as observer of events in the mind and sometimes, if possible, contributing to our dreams.
And to see all these beauty of my consciousness and its output and product is to have no purpose and no reason but reason of no reason is unacceptable.
I can find no reason to be atheist, I'd rather have purpose that is originally mine, I'd rather worship the creator of this consciousness than to disclose his existence due to lack of physical evidence.
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Quote:
To think that our consciousness will end after death is silly...
AJ you are a master of cyclical reasoning . I believe in the afterlife . Why ? Because the bible says there is one .
To declare that our consciousness will disappear after biological failure, must be discussed.
Consciousness sometimes become limited when brain, physical attributes, limits physical behaviours to a point that is not normal. However, individuals have emotions yet and still that is apart from physical attributes and elements. Those who are paralyzed can sometimes show signs of emotions during a critical time (when the decision of death is made) though their body limits her signs of emotions, she is fully able to feel, inside, emotions to object against death sentence.
Even a mentally unstable people share common traits. They feel guilt or happiness.
Sometimes, I believe, emotions that are from consciousness are not produced by brain itself. Brain itself is a product of consciousness to output the emotion of consciousness itself.
Mind exists because conscious allows it to be so, not because the brain allows it to be so. To have a pure and powerful consciousness to to control body's natural temptation such as sexual attraction, rage, and sadness. Though these are sometimes product of consciousness, the mind of the brain itself contributes some to the consciousness of the that person.
Fortunately, consciousness can combat such threat under some circumstances.
Our consciousness still exist in our sleeping also. Our consiouness acts as observer of events in the mind and sometimes, if possible, contributing to our dreams.
And to see all these beauty of my consciousness and its output and product is to have no purpose and no reason but reason of no reason is unacceptable.
I can find no reason to be atheist, I'd rather have purpose that is originally mine, I'd rather worship the creator of this consciousness than to disclose his existence due to lack of physical evidence.
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August 19th, 2007, 03:16 AM
If not, then I too, couldn't see, and would be as you are.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting Minority Observer84
My spiritual eyes were opened to His revelations.
True God revealed himself .
How do u know that ?
Duh the bible of course . This is the funniest reply ever.
How do u know that ?
Duh the bible of course . This is the funniest reply ever.
If not, then I too, couldn't see, and would be as you are.
Peace>>>AJ
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August 19th, 2007, 03:23 AM
The proof is my witness, though the world may not accept it, it still remains as mine.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting YoungJoonKim
Interestingly put! But I know from whom my blessing flow, and am fortunate to be in full consciousness as to believe that that Consciousness is God's spirit in me.
To think that our consciousness will end after death is silly...
To declare that our consciousness will disappear after biological failure, must be discussed.
Consciousness sometimes become limited when brain, physical attributes, limits physical behaviours to a point that is not normal. However, individuals have emotions yet and still that is apart from physical attributes and elements. Those who are paralyzed can sometimes show signs of emotions during a critical time (when the decision of death is made) though their body limits her signs of emotions, she is fully able to feel, inside, emotions to object against death sentence.
Even a mentally unstable people share common traits. They feel guilt or happiness.
Sometimes, I believe, emotions that are from consciousness are not produced by brain itself. Brain itself is a product of consciousness to output the emotion of consciousness itself.
Mind exists because conscious allows it to be so, not because the brain allows it to be so. To have a pure and powerful consciousness to to control body's natural temptation such as sexual attraction, rage, and sadness. Though these are sometimes product of consciousness, the mind of the brain itself contributes some to the consciousness of the that person.
Fortunately, consciousness can combat such threat under some circumstances.
Our consciousness still exist in our sleeping also. Our consciousness acts as observer of events in the mind and sometimes, if possible, contributing to our dreams.
And to see all these beauty of my consciousness and its output and product is to have no purpose and no reason but reason of no reason is unacceptable.
I can find no reason to be atheist, I'd rather have purpose that is originally mine, I'd rather worship the creator of this consciousness than to disclose his existence due to lack of physical evidence.
raw-cooked
To declare that our consciousness will disappear after biological failure, must be discussed.
Consciousness sometimes become limited when brain, physical attributes, limits physical behaviours to a point that is not normal. However, individuals have emotions yet and still that is apart from physical attributes and elements. Those who are paralyzed can sometimes show signs of emotions during a critical time (when the decision of death is made) though their body limits her signs of emotions, she is fully able to feel, inside, emotions to object against death sentence.
Even a mentally unstable people share common traits. They feel guilt or happiness.
Sometimes, I believe, emotions that are from consciousness are not produced by brain itself. Brain itself is a product of consciousness to output the emotion of consciousness itself.
Mind exists because conscious allows it to be so, not because the brain allows it to be so. To have a pure and powerful consciousness to to control body's natural temptation such as sexual attraction, rage, and sadness. Though these are sometimes product of consciousness, the mind of the brain itself contributes some to the consciousness of the that person.
Fortunately, consciousness can combat such threat under some circumstances.
Our consciousness still exist in our sleeping also. Our consciousness acts as observer of events in the mind and sometimes, if possible, contributing to our dreams.
And to see all these beauty of my consciousness and its output and product is to have no purpose and no reason but reason of no reason is unacceptable.
I can find no reason to be atheist, I'd rather have purpose that is originally mine, I'd rather worship the creator of this consciousness than to disclose his existence due to lack of physical evidence.
raw-cooked
The proof is my witness, though the world may not accept it, it still remains as mine.
Peace>>>AJ
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August 19th, 2007, 03:24 AM
What else can I say?
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting Minority Observer84
I'm a fool.......................for Christ!
AJ you are a master of cyclical reasoning . I believe in the afterlife . Why ? Because the bible says there is one .
What else can I say?
Peace>>>AJ
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August 19th, 2007, 03:34 AM
I would still invite ya'al to ma party.
Come as you are, and who you are, for at ma party all are welcome.
Now what will you have? Beer, wine, sody-water, milk? That's OK, I don't have friends, for they all think I'm crazy, so I invite strangers.
Jesus came to His own, and recieved Him not, so He went to the strangers who did.
I tell, ya, it's a great feast!
Peace>>>AJ
I would still invite ya'al to ma party.
Come as you are, and who you are, for at ma party all are welcome.
Now what will you have? Beer, wine, sody-water, milk? That's OK, I don't have friends, for they all think I'm crazy, so I invite strangers.
Jesus came to His own, and recieved Him not, so He went to the strangers who did.
I tell, ya, it's a great feast!
Peace>>>AJ
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August 19th, 2007, 06:51 AM
Politicians too. Or does the religion come first? Like a cross over hit. Or a weak sauce sequel to a blockbuster, milk that cow til the milk is gone and keep an eye for the next cow to come along.
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Fear is a tool theists use to scare their questions away .
Politicians too. Or does the religion come first? Like a cross over hit. Or a weak sauce sequel to a blockbuster, milk that cow til the milk is gone and keep an eye for the next cow to come along.
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August 19th, 2007, 03:25 PM
Now and then I see some being picked up.
And for those, I wish the best as I would like for it to be for me.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting Unforgiven
There is no fear generated here on my account. I tell it like it is, and let the chips fall where they may.
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Politicians too. Or does the religion come first? Like a cross over hit. Or a weak sauce sequel to a blockbuster, milk that cow til the milk is gone and keep an eye for the next cow to come along.
Politicians too. Or does the religion come first? Like a cross over hit. Or a weak sauce sequel to a blockbuster, milk that cow til the milk is gone and keep an eye for the next cow to come along.
Now and then I see some being picked up.
And for those, I wish the best as I would like for it to be for me.
Peace>>>AJ
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August 19th, 2007, 04:43 PM
Quoting YoungJoonKim
You assume that there is a creator , because you assume there is a purpose . And you believe that your consciousness is going to survive you , and your proof for this is disabled people being able to show some emotion . Assumptions , based on more assumptions and your desire to have a purpose .
To think that our consciousness will end after death is silly...
To declare that our consciousness will disappear after biological failure, must be discussed.
Consciousness sometimes become limited when brain, physical attributes, limits physical behaviours to a point that is not normal. However, individuals have emotions yet and still that is apart from physical attributes and elements. Those who are paralyzed can sometimes show signs of emotions during a critical time (when the decision of death is made) though their body limits her signs of emotions, she is fully able to feel, inside, emotions to object against death sentence.
Even a mentally unstable people share common traits. They feel guilt or happiness.
Sometimes, I believe, emotions that are from consciousness are not produced by brain itself. Brain itself is a product of consciousness to output the emotion of consciousness itself.
Mind exists because conscious allows it to be so, not because the brain allows it to be so. To have a pure and powerful consciousness to to control body's natural temptation such as sexual attraction, rage, and sadness. Though these are sometimes product of consciousness, the mind of the brain itself contributes some to the consciousness of the that person.
Fortunately, consciousness can combat such threat under some circumstances.
Our consciousness still exist in our sleeping also. Our consiouness acts as observer of events in the mind and sometimes, if possible, contributing to our dreams.
And to see all these beauty of my consciousness and its output and product is to have no purpose and no reason but reason of no reason is unacceptable.
I can find no reason to be atheist, I'd rather have purpose that is originally mine, I'd rather worship the creator of this consciousness than to disclose his existence due to lack of physical evidence.
raw-cooked
To declare that our consciousness will disappear after biological failure, must be discussed.
Consciousness sometimes become limited when brain, physical attributes, limits physical behaviours to a point that is not normal. However, individuals have emotions yet and still that is apart from physical attributes and elements. Those who are paralyzed can sometimes show signs of emotions during a critical time (when the decision of death is made) though their body limits her signs of emotions, she is fully able to feel, inside, emotions to object against death sentence.
Even a mentally unstable people share common traits. They feel guilt or happiness.
Sometimes, I believe, emotions that are from consciousness are not produced by brain itself. Brain itself is a product of consciousness to output the emotion of consciousness itself.
Mind exists because conscious allows it to be so, not because the brain allows it to be so. To have a pure and powerful consciousness to to control body's natural temptation such as sexual attraction, rage, and sadness. Though these are sometimes product of consciousness, the mind of the brain itself contributes some to the consciousness of the that person.
Fortunately, consciousness can combat such threat under some circumstances.
Our consciousness still exist in our sleeping also. Our consiouness acts as observer of events in the mind and sometimes, if possible, contributing to our dreams.
And to see all these beauty of my consciousness and its output and product is to have no purpose and no reason but reason of no reason is unacceptable.
I can find no reason to be atheist, I'd rather have purpose that is originally mine, I'd rather worship the creator of this consciousness than to disclose his existence due to lack of physical evidence.
raw-cooked
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August 25th, 2007, 05:59 PM
Suicide, murder, and accidents must all occur so that we can just die simply because there is no purpose to life.
We should use WMD so that we could disappear.
Whether there is purpose or not, world will go on. The universe will function and move even without you and I. It will continue to give birth to stars and life. Simply because it does, not because it must.
Universe does not necessary must function to give birth to stars and death to stars. So do we.
We do not necessary must give birth. No animals or life beings are to reproduce. However, they do. It works and it goes on.
It will continue to go on whether you be dead in grave or alive in you're bed, not because you want them to be, because it does. It does not necessary must, its not a requirement, but it does.
For what?
I do not assume there is purpose in my life because I don't know what is my purpose. I also know that I am not a necessary being on this earth because we kill, pollute, and destroy some cycles of the earth. However, I exist, though not necessary. Therefore, I must have purpose because my being is not necessary but existing.
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If there was no purpose to our existence, it is better for us to disappear than to live.
You assume that there is a creator , because you assume there is a purpose . And you believe that your consciousness is going to survive you , and your proof for this is disabled people being able to show some emotion . Assumptions , based on more assumptions and your desire to have a purpose .
Suicide, murder, and accidents must all occur so that we can just die simply because there is no purpose to life.
We should use WMD so that we could disappear.
Whether there is purpose or not, world will go on. The universe will function and move even without you and I. It will continue to give birth to stars and life. Simply because it does, not because it must.
Universe does not necessary must function to give birth to stars and death to stars. So do we.
We do not necessary must give birth. No animals or life beings are to reproduce. However, they do. It works and it goes on.
It will continue to go on whether you be dead in grave or alive in you're bed, not because you want them to be, because it does. It does not necessary must, its not a requirement, but it does.
For what?
I do not assume there is purpose in my life because I don't know what is my purpose. I also know that I am not a necessary being on this earth because we kill, pollute, and destroy some cycles of the earth. However, I exist, though not necessary. Therefore, I must have purpose because my being is not necessary but existing.
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August 25th, 2007, 10:08 PM
I agree with the article, God did seem to have lost impact towards human history.
Or is this just his plan?
However, according to many...many testimony, either it be false or just superstitious, there are truly remarkable events that occur behind the scene of what we see today.
Therefore, I do not see that God have "lost" his power, he still grips the human history within his..palm....we are still his toys as long as we are trapped in this universe.
I agree with the article, God did seem to have lost impact towards human history.
Or is this just his plan?
However, according to many...many testimony, either it be false or just superstitious, there are truly remarkable events that occur behind the scene of what we see today.
Therefore, I do not see that God have "lost" his power, he still grips the human history within his..palm....we are still his toys as long as we are trapped in this universe.
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August 26th, 2007, 01:34 AM
I don't understand your thinking, but I think part of the problem is that you're struggling to express some very complex and difficult ideas in a language you're not completely familiar with yet. English, I would guess, is not your first language. If it is, you have grounds to sue anybody who ever tried to teach you anything about English composition and grammar. And if I'm right and it's not, keep trying, and we'll keep trying (well, at least some of us will) to understand you and help you learn the language better.
For instance: "If there was no purpose to our existence, it is better for us to disappear than to live." Implicitly, you seem to be assuming the purpose, if there is one, must be defined by some intelligence other than yourself. Why can't you define your own purpose? I think the meaning of any person's life is whatever that person decides it will be.
Or again: " I do not assume there is purpose in my life because I don't know what is my purpose." Just because you don't know what it is doesn't mean there isn't one, but you seem to be waiting for some other intelligence to tell you what it is. Why not invent your own? That's allowed, you know.
And this: "I also know that I am not a necessary being on this earth because we kill, pollute, and destroy some cycles of the earth." How does that make you unnecessary? You might be vitally necessary to a whole lot of people, for all you or I know. Surely there are people in your real life who love you and care about you? That makes you necessary to them. In one sense I'd agree, planet Earth doesn't need human beings on it and many other life forms on the planet would be much better off if humans weren't here. Given that we *are* here, I don't see any way to define individual or collective purposes except in the context of our relationships with other forms of life, most importantly our own, but we should also include every other life form on the planet, if only because we're doing a pretty good job right now of driving a lot of them to extinction. That's really not very smart of us.
And finally: "I must have purpose because my being is not necessary but existing." Just because your being is not necessary doesn't mean you have purpose, but neither does it mean you don't. I think of it this way:* DNA studies make it clear that the number of possible different people is unimaginably huge, far more than the number of people who have ever lived, or ever will live. And out of all that vast uncountable multitude of possible people, we're among the few lucky ones. We're here, we got conceived and born. So make the best of it, do what seems right and needful and proper and caring...
Make your own purpose, and if you do it well, even if the universe ultimately winds down to thermodynamic stasis and maximum entropy and all of this turns out to mean nothing in the long term, then at least the universe will have been a little better for your having been in it for a little while.
*Credit to Richard Dawkins for the original idea, in his book Unweaving the Rainbow.
Quoting YoungJoonKim
I just cited that little bit so you'd know what I was responding to.
...Suicide, murder, and accidents must all occur so that we can just die simply because there is no purpose to life. We should use WMD so that we could disappear...
I don't understand your thinking, but I think part of the problem is that you're struggling to express some very complex and difficult ideas in a language you're not completely familiar with yet. English, I would guess, is not your first language. If it is, you have grounds to sue anybody who ever tried to teach you anything about English composition and grammar. And if I'm right and it's not, keep trying, and we'll keep trying (well, at least some of us will) to understand you and help you learn the language better.
For instance: "If there was no purpose to our existence, it is better for us to disappear than to live." Implicitly, you seem to be assuming the purpose, if there is one, must be defined by some intelligence other than yourself. Why can't you define your own purpose? I think the meaning of any person's life is whatever that person decides it will be.
Or again: " I do not assume there is purpose in my life because I don't know what is my purpose." Just because you don't know what it is doesn't mean there isn't one, but you seem to be waiting for some other intelligence to tell you what it is. Why not invent your own? That's allowed, you know.
And this: "I also know that I am not a necessary being on this earth because we kill, pollute, and destroy some cycles of the earth." How does that make you unnecessary? You might be vitally necessary to a whole lot of people, for all you or I know. Surely there are people in your real life who love you and care about you? That makes you necessary to them. In one sense I'd agree, planet Earth doesn't need human beings on it and many other life forms on the planet would be much better off if humans weren't here. Given that we *are* here, I don't see any way to define individual or collective purposes except in the context of our relationships with other forms of life, most importantly our own, but we should also include every other life form on the planet, if only because we're doing a pretty good job right now of driving a lot of them to extinction. That's really not very smart of us.
And finally: "I must have purpose because my being is not necessary but existing." Just because your being is not necessary doesn't mean you have purpose, but neither does it mean you don't. I think of it this way:* DNA studies make it clear that the number of possible different people is unimaginably huge, far more than the number of people who have ever lived, or ever will live. And out of all that vast uncountable multitude of possible people, we're among the few lucky ones. We're here, we got conceived and born. So make the best of it, do what seems right and needful and proper and caring...
Make your own purpose, and if you do it well, even if the universe ultimately winds down to thermodynamic stasis and maximum entropy and all of this turns out to mean nothing in the long term, then at least the universe will have been a little better for your having been in it for a little while.
*Credit to Richard Dawkins for the original idea, in his book Unweaving the Rainbow.
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August 26th, 2007, 01:44 AM
Quoting YoungJoonKim
No, that's nonsense, if I've understood you. You're saying that we exist so that god can exist, and that god can't exist without some other consciousness perceiving him. In a sense I think that's true (i.e. we invented him, he has no existence outside the realm of ideas) but not in the sense you mean it. If "God CANNOT exist without consciousness of other individuals" how could he ever have got any of this universe started? Our existence doesn't make god real, and if he has the characteristics usually attributed to him--perfection, omnipotence, omniscience, etc--it's inconceivable that he'd actually need us for anything.
God CANNOT exist without consciousness of other individuals because they will acknowledge him.
Therefore, we exist, so that God will live on as truly real being.
Therefore, we exist, so that God will live on as truly real being.
