The Bible on Environmental Conservation: A 21st Century Prescription


s243a
#1
"AbstractIt may come as a surprise to some, but the Bible has a great deal to say about the environment and its conservation some 20 centuries since it was written. Perhaps among the most surprised will be Bible-toting church goers who may have never heard a sermon related to the "environmental crisis" which has become such a concern to so many around the world. This lack of attention by Christians is especially perplexing since many of our environmental problems are rooted in the Christian faith, according to some scholars. However, by examining the doctrine of Christianity, the basic text of the faith, the Bible, we find an entirely different message. The purpose of this discussion is to present the entire portion of Scripture which relates to environmental principles whereby we may develop a Bible-based, 21st Century prescription of environmental conservation. Some 2,463 verses have been topically organized into nine sections. Four appendices present the full-text of this collection in addition to selected hymns, which have been instrumental in teaching the truths of Scripture over the years. This compilation of verses constitutes approximately eight percent of the Bible. The Authorized Version, also known as the King James Version, was used in the preparation of this collection due its widespread distribution and influence since 1611. Based on the Bible, Christianity’s positive contribution to environmental conservation is consistent with its positive contributions to other fields such as literature, art, music, education, health, and science."
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sanctus
#2
Quote: Originally Posted by s243aView Post

"AbstractIt may come as a surprise to some, but the Bible has a great deal to say about the environment and its conservation some 20 centuries since it was written. Perhaps among the most surprised will be Bible-toting church goers who may have never heard a sermon related to the "environmental crisis" which has become such a concern to so many around the world. This lack of attention by Ch

Sighhhh..haven't you anything of value to contribute?

Holy Mother Church is just slowly emerging from one of the greatest blows to its credibility in recent memory. We are attempting to right the wrongs committed by a few members of our "staff".

We face unprecedented growth in Africa and South-east Asia, yet we are struggling to face the financial needs of these areas.

People are dying in our streets, and many of us in the Church are almost overwhelmed with the cries of pain heard by people all around us as they struggle to survive.

And on top of all this, must we also have your voice adding to our trauma?

Won't you please consider converting to Judaism or Islam? I have some contacts if you're interested!
 
s243a
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctusView Post

Sighhhh..haven't you anything of value to contribute?

Holy Mother Church is just slowly emerging from one of the greatest blows to its credibility in recent memory. We are attempting to right the wrongs committed by a few members of our "staff".

We face unprecedented growth in Africa and South-east Asia, yet we are struggling to face the financial needs of these areas.

People are dying in our streets, and many of us in the Church are almost overwhelmed with the cries of pain heard by people all around us as they struggle to survive.

And on top of all this, must we also have your voice adding to our trauma?

Won't you please consider converting to Judaism or Islam? I have some contacts if you're interested!

Don't worry, I'm either Agnostic, or United so you don't need to worry. Or more simply I just don't care much about religion right now. I just though it might be an interesting read.
 
sanctus
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by s243aView Post

Don't worry, I'm either Agnostic, or United so you don't need to worry. Or more simply I just don't care much about religion right now. I just though it might be an interesting read.

Of course you are agnostic, hence the many posts purporting to represent a religious point of view.
 
s243a
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctusView Post

Of course you are agnostic, hence the many posts purporting to represent a religious point of view.


Weather or not I believe in a deity or not I hardly see how this precludes me from arguing from a religious perspective. The western culture and philosophy is heavily routed in Christianity and thus I think it is important to understand and learn how to reason from that perspective.
 
sanctus
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by s243aView Post

Weather or not I believe in a deity or not I hardly see how this precludes me from arguing from a religious perspective. The western culture and philosophy is heavily routed in Christianity and thus I think it is important to understand and learn how to reason from that perspective.


I've a thought for you, how about understanding and learning how to LIVE from that perspective?
 
Josephine
#7
Sanctus...I honestly mean no disrespect...I enjoy your posts and find you very intelligent and well-spoken, but I have an honest question.

You mentioned that the church doesn't have the money for expansion in Africa or Asia. I fully admit that I'm not very experienced or knowledgable in religion and catholicism...but I was under the impression that the Vatican was wealthy. Jewel-encrusted gold...whatnot. Am I a conplete retard here, or is the Vatican quite wealthy? I'm just curious, and I know that you're a priest. Like I said...meaning no disrespect to you at all, and I don't know if this question will offend or not.
 
sanctus
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by JosephineView Post

Sanctus...I honestly mean no disrespect...I enjoy your posts and find you very intelligent and well-spoken, but I have an honest question.

You mentioned that the church doesn't have the money for expansion in Africa or Asia. I fully admit that I'm not very experienced or knowledgable in religion and catholicism...but I was under the impression that the Vatican was wealthy. Jewel-encrusted gold...whatnot. Am I a conplete retard here, or is the Vatican quite wealthy? I'm just curious, and I know that you're a priest. Like I said...meaning no disrespect to you at all, and I don't know if this question will offend or not.

Does not offend me at all. Ask anything you want, here or in PM.

The missions are not funded by the Vatican, directly, but from the various societies and parishes who raise the money from their membership. Further, the parish is expected to be somewhat self-sustaining, and that is where the real problem is in terms of how poor the average African is.

While it is true that Vatican City holds many priceless artifacts and treasures collected from the inception of its history, this is not "ready cash". as it were.

I hope this answers your question.
 
s243a
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctusView Post

I've a thought for you, how about understanding and learning how to LIVE from that perspective?

Don't worry, I don't have the money to party much and I don't have much of a sex drive anymore. I just don't go to church on the weekend. I have though about going before but never seem to.
 
look3467
#10
What led you to use s243a as your call name?
Just curious.

Peace>>>AJ
Last edited by look3467; Apr 29th, 2007 at 10:03 PM..Reason: error
 
s243a
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by look3467View Post

What led you to use s243a as your call name?
Just curious.

Peace>>>AJ

It was my user name at the University of New Brunswick. I was a student a big part of my life and I liked the irony of picking a name that was just another number.
 
look3467
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by s243aView Post

It was my user name at the University of New Brunswick. I was a student a big part of my life and I liked the irony of picking a name that was just another number.

Did you study environmental subjects? How about religious studies?

Peace>>>AJ
 
s243a
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by look3467View Post

Did you study environmental subjects? How about religious studies?

Peace>>>AJ

I studied physics at Mount Allison University and Electrical Engineering at the University of New Brunswick. That gives me two undergraduate degrees and most of a masters. I would of liked to take some electives in theology. It might have been interesting. I did take one course (philosophy) at Mount Allison on Environmental Ethics. I was one of the few in the course that favored progress over environmentalism. It was probably 9 years ago or so when I took that course. What turned me off environmentalism then was the hatred of nuclear power by environmentalists.
 
look3467
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by s243aView Post

I studied physics at Mount Allison University and Electrical Engineering at the University of New Brunswick. That gives me two undergraduate degrees and most of a masters. I would of liked to take some electives in theology. It might have been interesting. I did take one course (philosophy) at Mount Allison on Environmental Ethics. I was one of the few in the course that favored progress over environmentalism. It was probably 9 years ago or so when I took that course. What turned me off environmentalism then was the hatred of nuclear power by environmentalists.

Very impressive. Caring for the environment is a duty for the present but most important leaving it a better place for our kids.

Peace>>>AJ
 
Liberalman
#15
Religious studies are a good time waster.

You get to learn rules that nobody follows and the kicker is that you can sin all you want and always be forgiven.

The Vatican collects wealth for God and more churches are built so they can collect more money.

Very little is given back to the people.

Every week you get to watch the priest drink the wine break the wafer and you get a piece of wafer only if you are good and you put enough money in the collection plate.

You are given a book to read about how good people are saved if they give money to the church and then you get to argue about the about different aspects of the book.

As long as you give money to the church and tell the priest of your sins then you can continue sinning because you will always be forgiven.

 
s243a
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by look3467View Post

Very impressive. Caring for the environment is a duty for the present but most important leaving it a better place for our kids.

Peace>>>AJ


Thank you. We want to make the world a better place for our kids. Trees are nice and important but remember we live in cities. Kids need homes, and jobs.
 
s243a
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

Religious studies are a good time waster.

You get to learn rules that nobody follows and the kicker is that you can sin all you want and always be forgiven.

The Vatican collects wealth for God and more churches are built so they can collect more money.

Very little is given back to the people.

Every week you get to watch the priest drink the wine break the wafer and you get a piece of wafer only if you are good and you put enough money in the collection plate.

You are given a book to read about how good people are saved if they give money to the church and then you get to argue about the about different aspects of the book.

As long as you give money to the church and tell the priest of your sins then you can continue sinning because you will always be forgiven.

You could say the same thing about Plato's republic but a lot more people care about the words in the bible then they do about Plato's republic.
 
s243a
#18
Sanctus why the hositility? I was merely trying to provoke discussion of the relationship between the church and the environment?
 
TomG
#19
Here is a biblical reference in Colderidge’s The Rime of the Ancient Mariner

To walk together to the kirk,
And all together pray,
While each to his great Father bends,
Old men, and babes, and loving friends
And youths and maidens gay!

[Sidenote: And to teach, by his own example, love and reverence to all
things that God made and loveth.]

Farewell, farewell! but this I tell
To thee, thou Wedding-Guest!
He prayeth well, who loveth well
Both man and bird and beast.

He prayeth best, who loveth best
All things both great and small;
For the dear God who loveth us,
He made and loveth all."

The Mariner, whose eye is bright,
Whose beard with age is hoar,
Is gone: and now the Wedding-Guest
Turned from the bridegroom's door.

He went like one that hath been stunned,
And is of sense forlorn:
A sadder and a wiser man,
He rose the morrow morn.

--From a Project Gutenberg text

If the story isn’t known; the mariner killed an albatross for no particular reason and was thereafter cursed to travel the earth for eternity seeking out those who need to hear his tale, and those who hear the story are similarly cursed.

Colderidge’s curse is for those who destroy what God loves for their own indulgences—an Albatross. Today we hear proposals to remove the overburden of areas the sizes of small states, to construct miniature inland seas of toxic water, and to take the entire flow of the Athabaska River to process tar sands. And, our various national leaders, public and private, go like those that hath been stunned, sadder perhaps, but have yet to rise to the morrow’s morn.

The link between environment/conservation is strong in Christianity and in many religions. To many Sunni, the Caliphate holds responsibility for the stewardship of the earth, and that responsibility is shared by each and every member of the community. Vishnu is the preserver, and so on. However, the link between environment/conservation and the apology for the Viking raider mentality that today we call freedom/democracy/capitalism is notably missing. Oh well, we may all yet awake some morn sadder but wiser.
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Libra Girl
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctusView Post


While it is true that Vatican City holds many priceless artifacts and treasures collected from the inception of its history, this is not "ready cash". as it were.

I hope this answers your question.

Whilst it answers the question, assets are so easy to liquidise... nearly all religious faiths have massive amounts of 'assets' that could so easily right a lot of the wrongs of the world, in terms of poverty. I can understand, as an agnostic, how religion would want to erect monuments to their particular deity, but what is that particular deity going to do with those assets? It's obscene...
 
look3467
#21
Liberalman

Religious studies help you understand who you are in scheme of things.
Either you find out who you are or you deny the whole thing as fruitless.

I found out who I am only because I took heart in finding out the truth of the matter.
I can now see you as a brother regardless of what you espouse to believe.

I neither condemn you nor praise you for that. But I do respect (Love) you as a brother simply because of the One who paid dearly for our souls.

One cannot condemn God for the behavior of mankind, after all God didn’t make robots.

He gave us the choice to love Him or hate Him. (No-robot)

As for the environment, what a beautiful planet, with all the mystery waiting to be discovered and to think that it was all done just for us.

Will we take care of what was given us?

It definitely a lot better place than say, Mars: Everything red?

Anyways, give heart a chance.

Peace>>>AJ
 
RomSpaceKnight
#22
Some of the more fundamentalist are hung up on the "end times". With the world scheduled to end why bother with long term future plans. Use and abuse the planet cause God is going to wipe it out anyways.

loonies
 
look3467
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by RomSpaceKnightView Post

Some of the more fundamentalist are hung up on the "end times". With the world scheduled to end why bother with long term future plans. Use and abuse the planet cause God is going to wipe it out anyways.

loonies

Now, now RSK, that attitude is heartless as if................ you believed it too?

But look, it is up to the individual to seek out their own salvation it says, meaning that if we don't make an effort to test things out, then we are bound by them.

I have tested the end time scenarios and have found all them wanting.

But because I have found truth as I believe I have, my heart goes out to them who have not.

That is what happens when more is given, more is expected, as the word says.

I then have to be in a position of understanding and dispense compassion to what is a lack of knowledge in people who innocently think the world is coming to an end.

It is also the same situation where if I tell a Christian that God saves everybody, the immediate response is: "Well then, that means I can go out and sin all I want and be saved right?"

With that response and similar, only shows me their lack of knowledge, and what they don't know can not be held against them.

But beware if you know and don't adhere, for it is better that you would never have known.

Got what I mean?

Peace>>>AJ
 
sanctus
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by s243aView Post

Sanctus why the hositility? I was merely trying to provoke discussion of the relationship between the church and the environment?

I didn't mean to suggest hostility to you. After debating and reading the nonsense posted by Mh, Look and Liberalman, even I get tired of off the wall religious ideas. Theological discussions are interesting. Everyone who hardly has picked up a book on the topic considers himself an expert And like the three mentioned, their entire basis for their beliefs rests on those two magic words that they seem to feel gives them authority. "I think", which is probably the most annoying way to begin any discussion as deeply layered as theology. Sometimes they think God is whispering in their ears, and we are obliged to read about numerology and raptures and idiotic end-time scenarios. Other time we get to read five and half mile long pages peppered with Bible quotations. They feel that grabbing verses out of context to the books they were drawn from gives their "I think" theology intellectual merit.

Have they read Aquinas, the writings of the Church Fathers, Bonhoeffer or Merton? Have they studied transcripts of Biblical exegesis by learned theologians from now to the beginning of Church history?

Oh no, these nutbar types don't need to examine the subject, for they have "I think" as their guide.

Do I know everything. Good Lord no! But I have studied the subject to some small degree. I do know the basic trends of thought and how they weave together. But do I think it is wise to approach such a doctrinally laden topic as theology with only "I think". Heavens no.

What person would attempt to explain Taoist or Existential philosophies without a bit of applied study to these areas? Why is it these sort feel even remotely qualified to insist that because they "think" something in theology is this or that way, why it must be so!

One person on this forum writes posts where he will pull out series of numbers that he feels are magic codes to the mysteries of the Bible. Odd that men more learned in the faith, such as the Pope for example, have never noticed these secret codes.
And it matters not that the Pope is Catholic or if you or they like the Catholic faith. Pope Benedict is a very learned man, and he deserves some respect for that alone.

No, it does not matter that people who have studied and diligently explored the various intangible and tangible elements to the philosophical nature of the faith, let alone its religious implications for those claiming to be Christian.

End of rant
 
Liberalman
#25
Sanctus

I liked your rant I guess you were agreeing with my post that organized religion is all smoke and mirrors or a dog and pony show.

Tell me Sanctus what do you think the main message of the bible is?

Can you sum it up in one sentence?

I know the answer because God told me a long time ago but did you figure it out yet or are you still walking the labyrinth of understanding.

 
look3467
#26
Quote:

And like the three mentioned, their entire basis for their beliefs rests on those two magic words that they seem to feel gives them authority. "I think", which is probably the most annoying way to begin any discussion as deeply layered as theology.>>>Sanctus

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But do I think>>>Sanctus

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Do I know everything? Good Lord no!>>>Sanctus

So, you don’t think, and you don’t know everything, or do you think you don’t know everything?

I think I know some things, and I know I don’t know everything, but what I do know is, whatever I know and think has been sincerely sought after from the Holy Spirit of which I am confident that He would not lead me astray.

The evidence of my understandings is shown in my works and words as I respond compassionately.

You are my judges!

Peace>>>AJ
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sanctus
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

Sanctus

I liked your rant I guess you were agreeing with my post that organized religion is all smoke and mirrors or a dog and pony show.

Tell me Sanctus what do you think the main message of the bible is?

Can you sum it up in one sentence?

I know the answer because God told me a long time ago but did you figure it out yet or are you still walking the labyrinth of understanding.

Oh, just go away....my goodness. Read a book...try it, you might like it.
 
sanctus
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by look3467View Post


The evidence of my understandings is shown in my works and words as I respond compassionately.

You are my judges!

Peace>>>AJ

Sigh, of course Look. He whispers in your ears, telling you about all the magic hidden meanings that men better educated in theology don't get. Silly them.
 
look3467
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctusView Post

Sigh, of course Look. He whispers in your ears, telling you about all the magic hidden meanings that men better educated in theology don't get. Silly them.

When you pray Sanctus, what do you expect to hear from God?

Or how do you hear from God?

Peace>>>AJ
 
sanctus
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by look3467View Post

When you pray Sanctus, what do you expect to hear from God?

Or how do you hear from God?

Peace>>>AJ


He tells me to light the fires and burn the heretics and Protestants, but I am almost certain that there are official types that might object to such behaviour in this day and age

As I said to Liberalman, won't you please consider converting to Judaism or Islam?
 

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