Super Genius
Posts: 1,352 
Location: Calgary
Location: Calgary
April 20th, 2007, 09:05 PM
Quoting Pangloss
The problem is it takes a long time to write things down on stone. That and 10 things was probably considered enough for people to remember.
But Karrie, I still must ask: aren't rape, slavery and incest bad enough to warrant their own commandments?
Pangloss
Pangloss
April 20th, 2007, 11:07 PM
Quoting Pangloss
As I said Pangloss.... I doubt the translations and interpretations of humans. All I said was that your thinking on the issue of rape and incest would be covered by the church under the commandment dealing with adultery. Do I think there should have been a commandment against slavery? yes. There also should have been one against child labor. One against beating your wife. There are many many many issues the tablets could have covered. But what is the right number? What is too much? What boils it down easily? Which commandments cover other bases... I'm pretty sure that not covetting your neighbors wife, probably includes enslaving her.
But Karrie, I still must ask: aren't rape, slavery and incest bad enough to warrant their own commandments?
Pangloss
Pangloss
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,535 
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Location: Calgary, Alberta
April 21st, 2007, 01:13 AM
Karrie:
I fear you are still missing the point: the ten commandments are a flawed set of rules. Regardless of what the priests say. The book is supposed to be infallible, the word of god, and all that hokum. I will repeat myself for anyone who did not notice what I wrote in the first place:
The christian bible either condones or advocates three things: rape, slavery and incest. If the 10 big rules were to have any validity, I would imagine these three would have to be there.
The priests and the "church" can say anything they want: if christians living today say rape slavery and incest are wrong, then they are directly contradicting their own bible. End of story.
This isn't opinion, it is fact.
Pangloss
Karrie:
I fear you are still missing the point: the ten commandments are a flawed set of rules. Regardless of what the priests say. The book is supposed to be infallible, the word of god, and all that hokum. I will repeat myself for anyone who did not notice what I wrote in the first place:
The christian bible either condones or advocates three things: rape, slavery and incest. If the 10 big rules were to have any validity, I would imagine these three would have to be there.
The priests and the "church" can say anything they want: if christians living today say rape slavery and incest are wrong, then they are directly contradicting their own bible. End of story.
This isn't opinion, it is fact.
Pangloss
Super Genius
Posts: 1,352
Location: Calgary
Location: Calgary
April 21st, 2007, 01:23 AM
Quoting Pangloss
Without insets how would Adam and eve have children?
The christian bible either condones or advocates three things: rape, slavery and incest. If the 10 big rules were to have any validity, I would imagine these three would have to be there.
House Member
Posts: 4,516
Location: Minnesota: Gopher State
Location: Minnesota: Gopher State
April 22nd, 2007, 09:07 PM
Quoting L Gilbert
As has been discussed previously, if Jesus was around today He would be the world's # 1 liberal.
I think it's more along the lines of liberals hating what the commandments stand for than the content of them. Sheeesh.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,535
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Location: Calgary, Alberta
April 22nd, 2007, 09:52 PM
I am, admittedly, a little past liberal, but as what I've written demonstrates, I dislike the 10C more for what they miss than what they contain.
Pangloss
Quoting L Gilbert
LG:
I think it's more along the lines of liberals hating what the commandments stand for than the content of them. Sheeesh.
I am, admittedly, a little past liberal, but as what I've written demonstrates, I dislike the 10C more for what they miss than what they contain.
Pangloss
Bright Spark
Posts: 260
April 28th, 2007, 08:58 AM
The Ten Commandments are in direct conflict of the Constitution of United States Of America.
It states in the document that there is equality for all, every American has equal right under the law that deals with race religion and so on.
The fathers of the Constitution were never bothered to say religion rights were protected as long as it was Christian.
The document was later understood as all religions.
Everything went well until the immigration gate were opened up then all of a sudden there were all kinds of non Christian religions in America whose beliefs directly was in conflict with the Christians religions.
Some religions don’t believe in the ten commandments so it either has to be removed from government buildings and schools that get their funding from the taxpayer.
But the government can keep the ten commandments on if they are willing to put different quotes from all religious doctrine but then the Christians get upset at that suggestion because they don’t want other religions to have their say so the Ten Commandments must come down.
The Ten Commandments are in direct conflict of the Constitution of United States Of America.
It states in the document that there is equality for all, every American has equal right under the law that deals with race religion and so on.
The fathers of the Constitution were never bothered to say religion rights were protected as long as it was Christian.
The document was later understood as all religions.
Everything went well until the immigration gate were opened up then all of a sudden there were all kinds of non Christian religions in America whose beliefs directly was in conflict with the Christians religions.
Some religions don’t believe in the ten commandments so it either has to be removed from government buildings and schools that get their funding from the taxpayer.
But the government can keep the ten commandments on if they are willing to put different quotes from all religious doctrine but then the Christians get upset at that suggestion because they don’t want other religions to have their say so the Ten Commandments must come down.
Senate Member
Posts: 5,234
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
April 28th, 2007, 09:14 AM
A short civics lesson for Liberalman:
At the time of the American Revolution (and today) the Church of England was the "established" Church of that nation; the monarch was "Defender of the Faith" and titular head of the Church, the church was granted massive land grants and monetary benefits from the Crown, both in England and in the colonies, and the Church regularly engaged in fits of persecution against other denominations or creeds, with full support of the government.
The Americans wished to avoid that injustice, and so included in the First Amendment the following words: " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
THAT"S IT! That is all there is!
It is perverse that these simple words have led to the suppression of official expressions of the Christian faith throughout what is, essentually, a Christian nation.
The guys that wrote the Amendment would be shocked.
A short civics lesson for Liberalman:
At the time of the American Revolution (and today) the Church of England was the "established" Church of that nation; the monarch was "Defender of the Faith" and titular head of the Church, the church was granted massive land grants and monetary benefits from the Crown, both in England and in the colonies, and the Church regularly engaged in fits of persecution against other denominations or creeds, with full support of the government.
The Americans wished to avoid that injustice, and so included in the First Amendment the following words: " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
THAT"S IT! That is all there is!
It is perverse that these simple words have led to the suppression of official expressions of the Christian faith throughout what is, essentually, a Christian nation.
The guys that wrote the Amendment would be shocked.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,535
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Location: Calgary, Alberta
April 28th, 2007, 12:20 PM
Yeah. . .suppression like funding for faith-based charities, having an office for faith-based charities. . .states where there is only one oath of office, and it's a pledge to God. . .is there a politician in the states who doesn't go to church or say "God Bless America". . .the currency says on it "In God We Trust".
Ronald Reagan believing he was going to be the last president before Armageddon.
The founding fathers were a pretty diverse bunch, given to widely different views on religion, some being straight-up atheist. . .you bet they'd be shocked.
They'd be shocked at the displays of piety being used to mollify a deeply superstitious, uneducated electorate.
Religion is stampeding through american politics and culture.
Pangloss
Quoting Colpy
Colpy:
The Americans wished to avoid that injustice, and so included in the First Amendment the following words: " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
THAT"S IT! That is all there is!
It is perverse that these simple words have led to the suppression of official expressions of the Christian faith throughout what is, essentually, a Christian nation.
The guys that wrote the Amendment would be shocked.
THAT"S IT! That is all there is!
It is perverse that these simple words have led to the suppression of official expressions of the Christian faith throughout what is, essentually, a Christian nation.
The guys that wrote the Amendment would be shocked.
Yeah. . .suppression like funding for faith-based charities, having an office for faith-based charities. . .states where there is only one oath of office, and it's a pledge to God. . .is there a politician in the states who doesn't go to church or say "God Bless America". . .the currency says on it "In God We Trust".
Ronald Reagan believing he was going to be the last president before Armageddon.
The founding fathers were a pretty diverse bunch, given to widely different views on religion, some being straight-up atheist. . .you bet they'd be shocked.
They'd be shocked at the displays of piety being used to mollify a deeply superstitious, uneducated electorate.
Religion is stampeding through american politics and culture.
Pangloss
