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April 16th, 2007, 03:43 PM
Forgiveness comes from God because He knows what environment we are in.
It is up to us to make good out of something not good.
That is the challenge we have in this world.
True, one can do good with or without God, but good is of God, and He only: is good.
Here's a verse that explains that: Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
So let us do good whether we believe in God or not.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting snfu73
Anti anything is not from God, but comes from the hearts of mankind.
Huh??
Anyway, I don't think antigay sentiments should be looked at any differently than racism or sexism...it's all the same. One can justify it by attributing it to god...but I don't buy that.
Anyway, I don't think antigay sentiments should be looked at any differently than racism or sexism...it's all the same. One can justify it by attributing it to god...but I don't buy that.
Forgiveness comes from God because He knows what environment we are in.
It is up to us to make good out of something not good.
That is the challenge we have in this world.
True, one can do good with or without God, but good is of God, and He only: is good.
Here's a verse that explains that: Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
So let us do good whether we believe in God or not.
Peace>>>AJ
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April 16th, 2007, 04:19 PM
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting BitWhys
Referring to: Law and Grace? Don't mix!
Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. - Leviticus 19:19
Any church movement that keeps Canterbury off the trail of my cotton/polyester suit is fine by me.
Any church movement that keeps Canterbury off the trail of my cotton/polyester suit is fine by me.
Peace>>>AJ
what green dots?
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April 16th, 2007, 04:32 PM
just the law. and if homosexuality were such a big deal I'm sure the good lord would of found a way to have an actual word for it worked into Hellenistic Greek before Paul mentioned it in passing.
Quoting look3467
nah
Referring to: Law and Grace? Don't mix!
Peace>>>AJ
Peace>>>AJ
just the law. and if homosexuality were such a big deal I'm sure the good lord would of found a way to have an actual word for it worked into Hellenistic Greek before Paul mentioned it in passing.
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April 16th, 2007, 05:19 PM
In light of creation, being that God wanted for the specie to procreate, learn and manage it's life to the good, He therefore made some stipulations concerning man lying with men through Paul.
The world must continue as God's garden of plenty, where His harvest is the individuality of spirits gained for His Kingdom, therefore procreation must continue.
Now, as far as being a sin, that is basically going against those parameters that God instituted.
If than we are under grace and no more the law, condemnation for behavior solely rests on the shoulders of the individual while yet in the flesh.
But salvation is God's responsibility for the purpose of eternity.
And to think that God has not done something about that, is not to believe in God period.
For God fulfilled His own requirement in Jesus' body for us all, and allowing us to become Jesus' body of fulfillment of the law, thus gaining salvation through Jesus, completing God's responsibility to us.
Homosexuality than is no different a sin than if I stole a package of gum from the store.
The consequences of sin than is mime to bear and possibly impose it or affect other peoples lives as well.
Society must come to terms with all these problems and deal with them accordingly so as to maintain some kind of order.
A society without and guidelines only sets itself up for doom, because that is the nature of the flesh.
God offers us guidelines and gives us help aids in controlling the lusts of the fleshly in His bible.
But then again, the interpretation is the problem.
If the heart is left to interpret, then things would work out well.
But because evil is present in all of us, that is what we have to learn to manage.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting BitWhys
Well, lets talk about why Paul would have talked against it as a law and why He under grace would still speak against it, but left it pretty much to if we would take responsibility ourselves.
nah
just the law. and if homosexuality were such a big deal I'm sure the good lord would of found a way to have an actual word for it worked into Hellenistic Greek before Paul mentioned it in passing.
just the law. and if homosexuality were such a big deal I'm sure the good lord would of found a way to have an actual word for it worked into Hellenistic Greek before Paul mentioned it in passing.
In light of creation, being that God wanted for the specie to procreate, learn and manage it's life to the good, He therefore made some stipulations concerning man lying with men through Paul.
The world must continue as God's garden of plenty, where His harvest is the individuality of spirits gained for His Kingdom, therefore procreation must continue.
Now, as far as being a sin, that is basically going against those parameters that God instituted.
If than we are under grace and no more the law, condemnation for behavior solely rests on the shoulders of the individual while yet in the flesh.
But salvation is God's responsibility for the purpose of eternity.
And to think that God has not done something about that, is not to believe in God period.
For God fulfilled His own requirement in Jesus' body for us all, and allowing us to become Jesus' body of fulfillment of the law, thus gaining salvation through Jesus, completing God's responsibility to us.
Homosexuality than is no different a sin than if I stole a package of gum from the store.
The consequences of sin than is mime to bear and possibly impose it or affect other peoples lives as well.
Society must come to terms with all these problems and deal with them accordingly so as to maintain some kind of order.
A society without and guidelines only sets itself up for doom, because that is the nature of the flesh.
God offers us guidelines and gives us help aids in controlling the lusts of the fleshly in His bible.
But then again, the interpretation is the problem.
If the heart is left to interpret, then things would work out well.
But because evil is present in all of us, that is what we have to learn to manage.
Peace>>>AJ
what green dots?
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April 16th, 2007, 05:30 PM
are you telling me Paul rescued the human race from extinction?
wow
total fricking miracle it didn't happen before he said something.
Quoting look3467
what?
...In light of creation, being that God wanted for the specie to procreate, learn and manage it's life to the good, He therefore made some stipulations concerning man lying with men through Paul...
are you telling me Paul rescued the human race from extinction?
wow
total fricking miracle it didn't happen before he said something.
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April 16th, 2007, 05:35 PM
Now as for extinction, this world will continue despite our efforts to destroy it.
We are mangers of it and so how we manage is to our benefit or demise.
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Quoting BitWhys
Paul simply stated what God had shown him to say. Jesus is the one who saves the soul.
what?
are you telling me Paul rescued the human race from extinction?
wow
total fricking miracle it didn't happen before he said something.
are you telling me Paul rescued the human race from extinction?
wow
total fricking miracle it didn't happen before he said something.
Now as for extinction, this world will continue despite our efforts to destroy it.
We are mangers of it and so how we manage is to our benefit or demise.
Peace>>>AJ
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April 16th, 2007, 05:46 PM
A soul is a soul is a soul. That is what God came to save.
As for our behavior, that is our own responsibility. One pays for what one does, whether it is right or wrong.
Do right, receive just reward, do contrary to what is right, suffer the consequence.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting BitWhys
Are you commenting without reading what is said? I explained the reason why Paul said what he did about homosexuality based on the principal of procreation, and further explained that it was a Godly design and going contrary to that makes it a consequence of our own making.
OIC
so now its NOT about procreation and the presevation of the species.
pick a horse.
so now its NOT about procreation and the presevation of the species.
pick a horse.
A soul is a soul is a soul. That is what God came to save.
As for our behavior, that is our own responsibility. One pays for what one does, whether it is right or wrong.
Do right, receive just reward, do contrary to what is right, suffer the consequence.
Peace>>>AJ
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April 16th, 2007, 05:47 PM
"Next a word to you who have great possessions. Weep and wail over the miserable fate descending on you. Your riches have rotted; your fine clothes are moth-eaten; your silver and gold have rusted away, and the very rust will be evidence against you and consume your flesh like fire. You have piled up wealth in an age that is near its close. The wages you never paid to the men who mowed your fields are loud against you, and the outcry of the reapers has reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in wanton luxury, fattening yourselves like cattle and the day for slaughter has come. You have condemned the innocent and murdered him; he offers no resistance."
James
"Next a word to you who have great possessions. Weep and wail over the miserable fate descending on you. Your riches have rotted; your fine clothes are moth-eaten; your silver and gold have rusted away, and the very rust will be evidence against you and consume your flesh like fire. You have piled up wealth in an age that is near its close. The wages you never paid to the men who mowed your fields are loud against you, and the outcry of the reapers has reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in wanton luxury, fattening yourselves like cattle and the day for slaughter has come. You have condemned the innocent and murdered him; he offers no resistance."
James
what green dots?
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April 16th, 2007, 05:49 PM
exactly how high IS that horse you fell off of?
Quoting look3467
you actually have the nerve to assume to know why Saul of Tarsus did anything?
..I explained the reason why Paul said what he did about homosexuality based on the principal of procreation...
exactly how high IS that horse you fell off of?
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April 16th, 2007, 05:50 PM
Jesus was addressing the soul of mankind by appealing to our hearts.
Where as Paul, was addressing the pitfalls of ones not following guidelines which would hinder us from growing in the faith.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting BitWhys
Never said a word as far as I know in His ministry. I do read where Paul did.
what did Jesus have to say about homosexuality?
Jesus was addressing the soul of mankind by appealing to our hearts.
Where as Paul, was addressing the pitfalls of ones not following guidelines which would hinder us from growing in the faith.
Peace>>>AJ
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April 16th, 2007, 05:51 PM
'The sower went out to sow his seed; and as he sowed, some fell beside the road; and it was trampled under foot, and the birds of the air ate it up. And other seed fell on rocky soil, and as soon as it grew up, it withered away, because it had no moisture. And other seed fell among the thorns; and the thorns grew up with it, and choked it out. And other seed fell into the good soil, and grew up up, and produced a crop a hundred times as great.'
Bitwhys, you remind me of the seed on the road. You also remind me of a saying my teacher brother likes to say, 'You can't save them all.'
'The sower went out to sow his seed; and as he sowed, some fell beside the road; and it was trampled under foot, and the birds of the air ate it up. And other seed fell on rocky soil, and as soon as it grew up, it withered away, because it had no moisture. And other seed fell among the thorns; and the thorns grew up with it, and choked it out. And other seed fell into the good soil, and grew up up, and produced a crop a hundred times as great.'
Bitwhys, you remind me of the seed on the road. You also remind me of a saying my teacher brother likes to say, 'You can't save them all.'
