Prophesy about Florida

[alasdair]

This is a very urgent prophesy about Florida.

Florida looks like the head of a snake (with lake ochechobee as the eye, and Florida Keys as the tongue).

There is an island called La Palma in the Atlantic ocean. Part of it could fall into the sea and cause a Tsunami which would wipe out Florida. www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2000/mega_tsunami.shtml

Florida is the richest state in the US, and the wealthiest place in the world. It is therefore not going to be in favour with God since 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day.

La Palma contains the word Palm (as in Palm Sunday - the return of Jesus to Jerusalem; or in modern terms the second coming of Jesus).

The book of Revelation talks about a large mountain being thrown into the sea at the end of time.
Please see www.worldends.co.uk/english/archive8.pdf for further details. People in the area need to repent.

The grace of the Lord be with you,
Alasdair

 

[MattUK]

We have known about that for years (circa 1950), the volcano almost collapsed then during an eruption, luckily, it only droped about 10 foot then stopped moving.

Its not guaranteed to cause a tsunami, it may gradually fall into the sea a few feet at a time, and that wont be a problem. Its only if it all collapses that we have a problem.

And dont think that florida will be the only place hit, it could also go as high as New York City too. Infact, if it collapsed at the right angle, it could virtually wipe out the whole of the east coast of the USA all the way down to the caribean and half way up Canada. And we are talking about a wave that could go about 15 kilometers inland before it stops.

Mega destruction. The odds of it happening? I think very slim. But, time may prove me wrong.

 

[alasdair]

There is a precedent for it to happen.

The last Tsunami was caused by an earthquake with an epicentre around the island of Sinabang.

Sin a bang

If you sin you get a bang.

Florida should repent.

 

[MattUK]

Yes, but your referred to article also claims that "allah" is a fake God. If Allah is fake, so is our God. Because they are one and the same person. The islamic word for God is Allah. Or so I have been taught.

Also, I believe that the old English word for sin was spelt "syne". Its only when y was scrapped as a vowel that the spelling was changed. So anything that you now refer to with SIN in it, cant be because of the bible.

Also, you keep referring to 666 as the beast, it has long been proved that 666 was a miscalculation, its something like 624 now, but I will need to do some reading to confirm.

Its amazing easy to see something after an event, but seeing it before seems much harder. The metior you refer to is also unlikely to happen. We would have trouble detecting it if it was due to hit the earth within a week let alone the next 35 years.

One passed by us a few years back (maybe 5 years?), and in universal terms, it was really bloody close. We only spotted it AFTER it had passed earth.

Sorry, not quashing faith, just the predictions people make from the bible and other religious sources.

 

[alasdair]

This would be fine, except the website is the apocalypse - and should be taken seriously. The Bible has been guided to be interpreted "as is" at the time of the end, in the principal language of the end (English) - any argument about how the Bible or language was formed is irrelavant - that's just how God chose to form it.

Of course Allah is a fake god (see www.worldends.co.uk/english/archive3.pdf for a description of the Koran).

 

[MattUK]

Okay, now even the same website is contradicting itself. Inthe first link, it refers to the number of the beast as 666, in the second link, it refers to the number as 616 - which is it, it cant be both?

And, I am sorry but you are wrong. What Muslims refer to as Allah, is the same thing that we refer to as God. They are the same people. Allah is just their word for it.

Where Does the word "Allah" Come From?
"Allah" comes from the Arabic word "elah" - (Arabic) means 'a god' or something that is worshipped. This word (elah) can be made plural, as in "aleha" and it can be male or female. "Allah" comes from "elaha" but it brings more clarification and understanding.

Al-lah - Means "The Only One to Worship"

 

[MattUK]

And just to add to that....

The English word "god" did not exist until 1066 AD after the Norman invasion of the Saxxons.Therefore, the most appropriate word for "Almighty, The Most High God" should be "Allah."

 

[alasdair]

God has many names, I AM, Lord of Hosts, God of Israel, Jesus, Holy Spirit, the Father. Jesus died on the cross to show that the innocent suffer and die because the sins of the guilty. In other words, he taught and demonstrated what God wants us to think and do.

The Islamic faith is false and Islamic teachers are false teachers. Thus, the god that they pray to is false. Their faith teaches that persecution is worse than killing, and strongly advocates killing.

As I stated in a previous discussion, the mark of the beast occurs twice in the Islamic faith:

616 years between the birth of Jesus and the revelation that Muhammad received
Verse 61:6 in the Koran quoting Ahmed as coming after Jesus.
These are just about as promenent positions for 616 as you can get.
If you assume that they are random, what is the probability that the both occured?
Say Islam could have formed anywhere between 200AD and 1800AD. There are 6234 verses in the Koran.
Therefore, the probability of occurance is
(1/1600)*(1/6234)=0.0000001
or one in ten million

If Allah were real, why would he let God put two marks of the beast into his religion?!

 

[MattUK]

The only other thing that gets me, is the translation. Who says its right?

Herbrew has no punctuation, or at least none int he sense that we see punctuation. So, when we translated it, we ASSUMED where a comma or a full stop was supposed to go. What if we were wrong? A single comma can change the whole meaning of a phrase or sentence. Its like the joke;

A panda bear walks into a café. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air.
"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes towards the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it to the waiter.
"I'm a panda," he says. "Look it up."
The waiter turns to the relevant entry in the manual and, sure enough, he finds a definition of a panda.
"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

 

[alasdair]

You can argue about translation - however God directs the whole world (even the translators!). Some translations lose some meaning in some places, and its sometimes necessary to look at both an old translation (eg. KJV) and a new one (eg. GNB).

Imagine that God wrote the bible right now for us, then went back in time to sort it out in such a way that the current version is exactly how he wants it - even down to the last comma! God is simultaneously everywhere across time and can do this.

 

[MattUK]

Then why does He let millions suffer? Why does He produce regions that have drought and famine?

He is not just affecting older people who have sinned, He is also killing innocent children. Why did He direct a man into the school in Dunblane and have a huge number masacred my a mashetti? Why does He direct people who dont believe in Him to fly planes into a building killing people that DO believe in Him?

This is where I question God and what He really wants for us. He is a jealous God, those are His own words.

 

[alasdair]

God created a world in which the wages of sin is death.

The Christian religion as taught by Jesus was rapidly turned into idolatry, and by about 600AD, people were building cathedrals (palaces for God). Under these circumstances, Satan is free to attack and generate new religions. Christians have not been successful in teaching these people the Truth. How can you blaim God for things that Christians themselves have not done? It's our responsibility to do things - God gave us free will and the ability to use it. The alternative would be a "paradise" filled with robots programmed not to sin.

 

[MattUK]

So to sin is part of Gods will?

 

[alasdair]

Sin is a consequence of having free will and choosing to do the wrong thing rather than the right thing.

 

[MattUK]

"a "paradise" filled with robots programmed not to sin."

Isn't that what heaven is supposed to be? Minus the robot and programmed bit? Isn't heaven a paraside for non sinners?

 

[alasdair]

www.worldends.co.uk/english/archive36.pdf

Heaven on Earth!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

There is a precedent for it to happen.

The last Tsunami was caused by an earthquake with an epicentre around the island of Sinabang.

Sin a bang

If you sin you get a bang.

You call that logic? Because you can derive some meaning in English from a word in another language? Getting a bang can also be understood as getting laid, you know, and if that's the wages of sin, I say bring it on. How does that fit your strange little world of Biblical prophecy? People have been predicting the apocalypse since the crucifixion, and nobody's been right yet. Jesus' contemporaries expected it within their lifetimes; Jesus quite clearly stated that there were those then living who would not die before he returned. The Bible's track record for prophecy is about as good as Nostrademus's, which is to say, it sucks. Here's a short list of failed prophecies: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/short.html , and if you replace short with long in that URL you'll get a long list.

Just for interest, I looked up the Koran's verse 61:6. It says this: "And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was revealed before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One. Yet when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say: This is mere magic."

That's a clear reference to Muhammad; the name means Praised One in Arabic, and has several variants: Hamdan, Hamid, Mahmoud, and Mahmud, according to http://www.sudairy.com/arabic/masc.html . All Jesus is saying there is that he's not the final messenger, there'll be another one, and the Koran is claiming Muhammad is it. I don't see any connection with the apocalypse there, and since you're claiming the Koran is all false anyway, what can possibly be your point?

A book you should read, alasdair: Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism, by Bishop John Shelby Spong.

 

[MattUK]

I think that Deutoronomy 13 is the best one;

13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. 13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

So we should FEAR God and killing poeple is fine.

 

[alasdair]

The Koran 61:6 quotes Jesus as saying that he would be followed by Ahmed, just like you quoted. That's odd, Jesus warned of false prophets, which Matt goes on to talk about in Deutoronomy 13!

Instead of accusing me of such things examine yourself and your own ministers and your own churches - I am only advocating doing what Jesus actually said (and he never said replace Christianity with hymn singing).

 

[Dexter Sinister]

There are still way too many questions you haven't answered, alasdair, in this thread and the one about Proof of Christianity, and for a lot of the questions you *have* answered, your responses don't make a lot of sense to me. It's clear that you don't understand the nature of evidence if you believe the Koran's verse 61:6 bears on the apocalypse, it's just an attempt by the writers of the Koran to justify Muhammad's claims about himself. I've don't believe you've understood more than about 5% of what I've tried to explain to you. Most importantly, you have yet to say who you are. I don't mean your real name or any personal details like that, but you appeared in your Proof of Christianity thread to be setting yourself up as a latter-day prophet when you claimed in effect that you were put here to reform Christianity. Is that really who you're claiming to be, a new messenger? It certainly appears so. Others have raised the matter of false prophets more directly than I did, and you haven't really answered them either. I still don't see any reason to take you seriously. I'd expect a true messenger to show a little more clarity of thought.