Last Days Prophecy

Motar
#1
"In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Acts 2:17-21 NIV)

(Did not expect to be among the dreamers. I guess that means I'm old : )

Does legitimate prophecy occur in our day? If so, how is it authenticated? If not, how is illegitimate prophecy repudiated?
 
Glacier
#2

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Tecumsehsbones
#3
Nostradamus.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

Does legitimate prophecy occur in our day? If so, how is it authenticated? If not, how is illegitimate prophecy repudiated?

Does anybody really care if it is truly the last day?
 
Motar
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

Does anybody really care if it is truly the last day?

Last day of what, IRBS?
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+1
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

Last day of what, IRBS?

Of the world. If the world is ending, the last thing I will be worrying about was which prophecy was correct or not.
 
Motar
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

Of the world. If the world is ending, the last thing I will be worrying about was which prophecy was correct or not.

The world is ending?
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#8
Which world?
 
Dexter Sinister
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

Does legitimate prophecy occur in our day?

No. And it didn't occur in anybody else's day either.
Quote:

...how is illegitimate prophecy repudiated?

Just wait, it won't come true. But that's never stopped the true believers.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

The world is ending?

I don't think so but the only way you would know if any prophecy is true is if it does. And if it does, you don't care. So why worry about prophecies?
 
Motar
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

No. And it didn't occur in anybody else's day either.

Do meteorologists forecast? Do medical providers prognosticate? Do financial analysts predict? Is any of this prophecy legitimate?

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Just wait, it won't come true.

Agree, Dex.

"You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed." (Deuteronomy 18:21.22 NIV)

"Nevertheless, listen to what I have to say in your hearing and in the hearing of all the people: From early times the prophets who preceded you and me have prophesied war, disaster and plague against many countries and great kingdoms. But the prophet who prophesies peace will be recognized as one truly sent by the Lord only if his prediction comes true.” (Jeremiah 28:7-9 NIV)
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Cliffy
#12
Every religion has prophets and prophecies. Here is one:
The emergence of the fifth world

"The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.

"This is the First Sign: We were told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana -- men who took the land that was not theirs and who struck their enemies with thunder. (Guns)

"This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. (Covered wagons)

"This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. (Longhorn cattle)

"This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron. (Railroad tracks)

"This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web. (Power and telephone lines)

"This is the Sixth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun. (Concrete roads and their mirage-producing effects.)

"This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it. (Oil spills)

"This is the Eighth Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like our people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn our ways and wisdom. (Hippies)

"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of the Hopi people will cease.

The Hopi Prophecies (external - login to view)

If your world view is restricted to one source, you may miss out on a lot of knowledge.
 
Dexter Sinister
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

Do meteorologists forecast? Do medical providers prognosticate? Do financial analysts predict? Is any of this prophecy legitimate?

That's not prophecy in the same sense you originally used the term, and you know it. That's the fallacy of equivocation, and you ought to know that too.
 
taxslave
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

"In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Acts 2:17-21 NIV)

(Did not expect to be among the dreamers. I guess that means I'm old : )

Does legitimate prophecy occur in our day? If so, how is it authenticated? If not, how is illegitimate prophecy repudiated?

JWs and other nutbars have been predicting the end for a long time. All lies.
 
gopher
+1
#15
50 years ago the Armstrongs of the World Wide "Church" of God predicted that the world was coming to end as these were the last days. They said the evil doers of the East were the communist party of Russia and that Armageddon was just around the corner. Hal Lindsey wrote of this as well.

Both parties were wrong.

Starting at about 20 years ago Dooms Day criers were saying Islam is the prophesied evil doer of the East. These parties have been wrong as well.


I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any of these predictions to come true.
 
Motar
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

That's not prophecy in the same sense you originally used the term, and you know it. That's the fallacy of equivocation, and you ought to know that too.

prophecy (noun) \ˈprä-fə-sē\
: a statement that something will happen in the future
: the power or ability to know what will happen in the future
Prophecy | Definition of prophecy by Merriam-Webster (external - login to view)

Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

I don't think so but the only way you would know if any prophecy is true is if it does.

Agree, IRBS. The test of prophecy is its fulfillment.

Is it possible for prophecy to be fulfilled but go unrecognized? In such an instance, would the problem lie with the quality of the revelation or the awareness of the witness?
 
gerryh
#17
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f (external - login to view)] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
 
Dexter Sinister
+1
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

prophecy (noun) \ˈprä-fə-sē\
: a statement that something will happen in the future
: the power or ability to know what will happen in the future

Oh BS. You were talking specifically about revelatory religious prophecy, don't pretend you meant anything else.

Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

The Hopi Prophecies (external - login to view)

If your world view is restricted to one source, you may miss out on a lot of knowledge.

You call that knowledge? That site also talks about pseudoscience like pole shifts and Nibiru/Planet X. It's a junk site run by a New Age flake with no critical thinking skills and very little real knowledge.
 
damngrumpy
#19
If all the holly rollers are true to faith they should not attempt to forecast the
end of the world. In the Bible it is reported Christ said "No one shall know the
day or the hour" He was saying its his business and not yours as it were if
such a statement is to be believed
 
Motar
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f (external - login to view)] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

Agree, Gerry. The day and hour are not known. But the path towards them is well-lit with "unprecedented" signposts.

"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door." (Matthew 24:32-33 NIV)

Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

Does legitimate prophecy occur in our day?

Yes.

Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

If so, how is it authenticated?

Fulfilled.

Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

If not, how is illegitimate prophecy repudiated?

Unfulfilled.

A delay in fulfillment is not an unfulfilled prediction. Nor is a misunderstood outcome an unrealized prophecy.
 
Motar
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Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door." (Matthew 24:32-33 NIV)

In Scripture, the fig tree represents the nation of Israel, God's prophetic and historic timepiece.
 
Mahan
#22
hmmm ... prophecy might be Interesting but remember this point Resurrection and Apocalypse are two separate subject . Resurrection is unpredictable and sudden but Apocalypse has some Signs
 
Motar
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by MahanView Post

hmmm ... prophecy might be Interesting but remember this point Resurrection and Apocalypse are two separate subject . Resurrection is unpredictable and sudden but Apocalypse has some Signs

Welcome to the discussion, Mahan.

apocalypse (n.)
late 14c., "revelation, disclosure," from Church Latin apocalypsis "revelation," from Greek apokalyptein "uncover, disclose, reveal," from apo- "from" (see apo- (external - login to view)) + kalyptein "to cover, conceal" (see Calypso (external - login to view)).
Online Etymology Dictionary (external - login to view)

The apocalypse of Scripture is often misunderstood as a protracted period of "bully" God smiting the created world in order to be rid of it. In truth, the revelation of Jesus Christ is the continuation of God's manifest expression of mercy and grace to humanity.
 
Motar
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

Is it possible for prophecy to be fulfilled but go unrecognized? In such an instance, would the problem lie with the quality of the revelation or the awareness of the witness?

Yes, fulfilled prophecy does go unrecognized.

"The call of God is not just for a select few but for everyone. Whether I hear God’s call or not depends on the condition of my ears, and exactly what I hear depends upon my spiritual attitude."
Oswald Chambers (external - login to view), My Utmost for His Highest (external - login to view)

The problem lies with the awareness of the witness.
 
Corduroy
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Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

"In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.

I'll get an umbrella.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

Yes, fulfilled prophecy does go unrecognized.

"The call of God is not just for a select few but for everyone. Whether I hear God’s call or not depends on the condition of my ears, and exactly what I hear depends upon my spiritual attitude."
Oswald Chambers (external - login to view), My Utmost for His Highest (external - login to view)

The problem lies with the awareness of the witness.

Hey, Motar!

Come the Rapture, can I have your stuff?
 
selfsame
#27
Prophecies if they are true, they will come to be true.
Prophecies of the coming of many prophets predicting their coming and describing some events had taken place in the past; the reason for the prophecy is to let people anticipate the coming of that particular prophet.
This was true about Moses: there were such prophecies about his coming, when the Children of Israel anticipated the coming of Moses as their savior.
Jesus also. John Baptist before him.
And there were many prophecies before the coming of Jesus, among people.
There were three persons the people at that time were anticipating: the Christ, the Prophet [Mohammed] and Elia of the Last Days.
So when John Baptist started to admonish people, some people scholars came and asked him:
We see you speak with authority: who are you? Are you the Christ [the Messieh]? He said: I am not him.
They said are you the Prophet [Mohammed]? He said: I am not him.
They said are you Elia [of the Last Days (the Mahdi whose part of his name is also Ali which means Elia in Hebrew)? He said: I am not him.
They said: What are you then? He said: I am a voice in the wilderness to prepare the way before the Christ.

These prophecies about the Last Day and their explanation:
The Disagreement of the (external - login to view)

Refer also to the Gospel of John 1: 19-23
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Motar
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Hey, Motar! Come the Rapture, can I have your stuff?

Rapture, TB?
 
Mahan
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by selfsameView Post

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They said are you Elia [of the Last Days (the Mahdi whose part of his name is also Ali which means Elia in Hebrew)? He said: I am not him.

thanks selfsame but I should add some experssions :
As Shia Muslim we believe ALi is our first Imam and Mahdi is our last Imam , we believe Mahdi is Alive and he'll came back with Jesus and Khidr and Elijah . the name of Mahdi is our twelf Imam's Title means who God guided him . his real name is another thing
and also I found Elia name in some Georgian Christian Resources . Ali Ibn Abi Talib real name was Heidar but Prophet Muhammad chanded it to Ali , also you can find Heidar name in Torah .

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I go, I will send him unto you." "And he, when he is come, will convict the world in respect of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:" "of sin, because they believe not on me " "f righteousness, because I go to the Father, and ye behold me no more" "of judgment, because the prince of this world hath been judged " " I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now" John 16 : 7-12

"and when (prophet) jesus, the son of mary said: 'children of israel, i am sent to you by allah to confirm the torah that was before me, and to give news of a messenger (prophet muhammad) who will come after me whose name shall be ahmad. ' yet when he came to them with clear proofs, they said: 'this is clear sorcery" Quran 61 : 6
 
Motar
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by MahanView Post

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I go, I will send him unto you."...John 16 : 7-12

In the Common Jewish Bible, the Counselor is introduced in John 14:

"If you love me, you will keep my commands; and I will ask the Father, and he will give you another comforting Counselor like me, the Spirit of Truth, to be with you forever." (John 14:15-16 CJB)

The Counselor is a Spirit.

"But the Counselor, the Ruach HaKodesh, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything; that is, he will remind you of everything I have said to you." (John 14:26 CJB)

The Counselor is a Spirit of Truth.

"When the Counselor comes, whom I will send you from the Father — the Spirit of Truth, who keeps going out from the Father — he will testify on my behalf." (John 15:26 CJB)

The Counselor teaches, testifies about and guides into truth.

"However, when the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative but will say only what he hears. He will also announce to you the events of the future." (John 16:13 CJB)

And the Counselor announces future events.
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