Last Days Prophecy

Motar

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"In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Acts 2:17-21 NIV)

(Did not expect to be among the dreamers. I guess that means I'm old : )

Does legitimate prophecy occur in our day? If so, how is it authenticated? If not, how is illegitimate prophecy repudiated?
 

Motar

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No. And it didn't occur in anybody else's day either.

Do meteorologists forecast? Do medical providers prognosticate? Do financial analysts predict? Is any of this prophecy legitimate?

Just wait, it won't come true.

Agree, Dex.

"You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed." (Deuteronomy 18:21.22 NIV)

"Nevertheless, listen to what I have to say in your hearing and in the hearing of all the people: From early times the prophets who preceded you and me have prophesied war, disaster and plague against many countries and great kingdoms. But the prophet who prophesies peace will be recognized as one truly sent by the Lord only if his prediction comes true.” (Jeremiah 28:7-9 NIV)
 
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Cliffy

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Every religion has prophets and prophecies. Here is one:
The emergence of the fifth world

"The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.

"This is the First Sign: We were told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana -- men who took the land that was not theirs and who struck their enemies with thunder. (Guns)

"This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. (Covered wagons)

"This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. (Longhorn cattle)

"This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron. (Railroad tracks)

"This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web. (Power and telephone lines)

"This is the Sixth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun. (Concrete roads and their mirage-producing effects.)

"This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it. (Oil spills)

"This is the Eighth Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like our people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn our ways and wisdom. (Hippies)

"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of the Hopi people will cease.

The Hopi Prophecies

If your world view is restricted to one source, you may miss out on a lot of knowledge.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Do meteorologists forecast? Do medical providers prognosticate? Do financial analysts predict? Is any of this prophecy legitimate?
That's not prophecy in the same sense you originally used the term, and you know it. That's the fallacy of equivocation, and you ought to know that too.
 

taxslave

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"In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Acts 2:17-21 NIV)

(Did not expect to be among the dreamers. I guess that means I'm old : )

Does legitimate prophecy occur in our day? If so, how is it authenticated? If not, how is illegitimate prophecy repudiated?
JWs and other nutbars have been predicting the end for a long time. All lies.
 

gopher

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50 years ago the Armstrongs of the World Wide "Church" of God predicted that the world was coming to end as these were the last days. They said the evil doers of the East were the communist party of Russia and that Armageddon was just around the corner. Hal Lindsey wrote of this as well.

Both parties were wrong.

Starting at about 20 years ago Dooms Day criers were saying Islam is the prophesied evil doer of the East. These parties have been wrong as well.


I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any of these predictions to come true.
 

Motar

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That's not prophecy in the same sense you originally used the term, and you know it. That's the fallacy of equivocation, and you ought to know that too.

prophecy (noun) \ˈprä-fə-sē\
: a statement that something will happen in the future
: the power or ability to know what will happen in the future
Prophecy | Definition of prophecy by Merriam-Webster

I don't think so but the only way you would know if any prophecy is true is if it does.

Agree, IRBS. The test of prophecy is its fulfillment.

Is it possible for prophecy to be fulfilled but go unrecognized? In such an instance, would the problem lie with the quality of the revelation or the awareness of the witness?
 

gerryh

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But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
 

Dexter Sinister

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prophecy (noun) \ˈprä-fə-sē\
: a statement that something will happen in the future
: the power or ability to know what will happen in the future
Oh BS. You were talking specifically about revelatory religious prophecy, don't pretend you meant anything else.

The Hopi Prophecies

If your world view is restricted to one source, you may miss out on a lot of knowledge.
You call that knowledge? That site also talks about pseudoscience like pole shifts and Nibiru/Planet X. It's a junk site run by a New Age flake with no critical thinking skills and very little real knowledge.
 

damngrumpy

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If all the holly rollers are true to faith they should not attempt to forecast the
end of the world. In the Bible it is reported Christ said "No one shall know the
day or the hour" He was saying its his business and not yours as it were if
such a statement is to be believed
 

Motar

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But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

Agree, Gerry. The day and hour are not known. But the path towards them is well-lit with "unprecedented" signposts.

"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door." (Matthew 24:32-33 NIV)

Does legitimate prophecy occur in our day?

Yes.

If so, how is it authenticated?

Fulfilled.

If not, how is illegitimate prophecy repudiated?

Unfulfilled.

A delay in fulfillment is not an unfulfilled prediction. Nor is a misunderstood outcome an unrealized prophecy.