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Motar

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In formal debate, form is judged along with content. Presentation is weighed along with position on a matter.

"If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." (1 Corinthians 13:2 NIV)

How important to Christ is attitude/conduct towards others relative to Bible knowledge/understanding?
 

Dexter Sinister

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Human nature cannot be elevated through human effort.
That's a pretty dismal view of human nature, but it IS one of the core teachings of Christianity--original sin and all that--so I'm not surprised to see it from you. I know of no reason to think it's true, and plenty of reasons to think it's not. Religion has taught you to be satisfied with not understanding the world, and in fact with understanding it incorrectly. There is no good reason to think there's a supernatural being that has an interest in us, and again, plenty of reasons to think there isn't.
 

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It doesn't matter if the book has gathered a few or many. There is still a period of 42 months when proof is available as far as being repented when that period ends. Even then 2/3 of the ones alive will be found to be in sin so they become part of the Great White throne crowd.
 

Dexter Sinister

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I think the meaning of life is to be found only in our relationships with others, we have to make our own meaning from what we can do to, with, for, and sometimes in spite of, those we care about. In a perfect world, that would be everybody. Kindness and generosity are keystones in that, they hold up everything else, and I also place very high value on what I've seen described as "the faded Victorian virtues," like honour, duty, honesty, respect, courtesy, courage, responsibility, commitment...it's a long list. And you won't get those from studying any religious scriptures I've seen except by cherry-picking the bits you like--a selection that has to be based on values other than those the scriptures offer--and throwing out the rest.
 
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That's a pretty dismal view of human nature, but it IS one of the core teachings of Christianity--original sin and all that--so I'm not surprised to see it from you. I know of no reason to think it's true, and plenty of reasons to think it's not. Religion has taught you to be satisfied with not understanding the world, and in fact with understanding it incorrectly. There is no good reason to think there's a supernatural being that has an interest in us, and again, plenty of reasons to think there isn't.

I think the total sum of the good in Christianity can be found in one sentence in the Bible......................The Golden Rule.
 

Motar

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I think the meaning of life is to be found only in our relationships with others, we have to make our own meaning from what we can do to, with, for, and sometimes in spite of, those we care about. In a perfect world, that would be everybody. Kindness and generosity are keystones in that, they hold up everything else, and I also place very high value on what I've seen described as "the faded Victorian virtues," like honour, duty, honesty, respect, courtesy, courage, responsibility, commitment...it's a long list. And you won't get those from studying any religious scriptures I've seen except by cherry-picking the bits you like--a selection that has to be based on values other than those the scriptures offer--and throwing out the rest.

From your response, I understand that your personal philosophy is shaped by Victorian virtues., DS.

Concerning the sustenance of these values, by what means do you consistently practice them in those "in spite of" moments? In particular, from where do you draw the means to show courtesy and respect to "cherry-picking religious" folk?
 

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Why does there have to be a reason or a condition as a result of,,,,to not act as an azzhole? Oh I know I'm a jerk sometimes but at times when I do behave, why do I need to expect something from that? Aren't there times when you simply do the right thing because it feels like the natural thing to do? Why expect a reward for that. And why fear the consequences if you fall short of that.
 

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Kindness and generosity are keystones in that, they hold up everything else, and I also place very high value on what I've seen described as "the faded Victorian virtues," like honour, duty, honesty, respect, courtesy, courage, responsibility, commitment...it's a long list. .
I just about puked when I read that crap. The Monarchy demands those as the way they should be treated, it takes about 3 minutes with any history book to show that is a one-way street and it always will be. The more 'elite' you are the bigger liar you have to be in what you accept and what you promote in public.

BTW this is the most bible dead place I have ever seen so the absence of those traits is the norm, ask gerr when the last time his Christian *** ever did one of those thing. As for the rest they respect those of the same group so there isn't even independent thought here.
 

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I have been purged that is why I was able yo gag at the bull**** I was being fed. Do your long list of all those fine traits and how the peasants have been enhanced by those same wonderful traits. Perhaps the Tower of London would be a good starting point for showcasing those Victorian morals.
 

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I just about puked when I read that crap. The Monarchy demands those as the way they should be treated, it takes about 3 minutes with any history book to show that is a one-way street and it always will be. The more 'elite' you are the bigger liar you have to be in what you accept and what you promote in public.

BTW this is the most bible dead place I have ever seen so the absence of those traits is the norm, ask gerr when the last time his Christian *** ever did one of those thing. As for the rest they respect those of the same group so there isn't even independent thought here.
Well gerr the red must be for calling this place bible dead, that would put you at the top of the list because you claim to be Christian and you are the biggest mouth in the whole place when it comes to insulting people.

This is a reply to the question of, What happens to Eve in the long run. Feel free to rip my version apart or supply your version which must be better because you are such a good Christian, right??

Probably not as racy as some soap-operas but the Bible's version does have it's moments.

Ge:3:16:
Unto the woman he said,
I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;
in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;
and thy desire shall be to thy husband,
and he shall rule over thee.

Re:12:1-12:
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven;
a woman clothed with the sun,
and the moon under her feet,
and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
And she being with child cried,
travailing in birth,
and pained to be delivered.

In a perfect world the fall would not have happened and the 12 stars represent her 12 oldest sons as mentioned in the OT.

They would the OT Saints that were resurrected and they and their original wife would become the 24 Elders around the Throne in Re:4. They would be given 12 thrones in the Temple where Christ has His throne. They would be the 'Shepherds' to the whole House of Israel who has just entered the Kingdom of God and knowing as much as a child does. By the end of the 1,000 years they and the Church are called Saints and their Flock will be all the ones that appear at the Great White throne event. In the new earth verses the people alive for the 1,000 years live inside New Jerusalem and the ones that come alive
Mary was the Mother of Jesus and Jesus died on the cross as fulfillment of the bruise to the heel part of Ge:3:15. The 'woman' for the last verses is the one that is most important to the people the bruise to the head will cause. The children of the Elect Lady in the John Epistles is that woman. She is also a seed of Eve as the history of Mary of Bethany, aka beloved Disciple of John the Baptist. Since she was the author of the Gospel of John that is her witness that we read. Elizabeth and Mary both had divine children and from when John was called when he was 'about 30' there was a period of 3 1/2 years before the cross and for the 3 1/2 years after the cross it was the Beloved Disciple that was the most important woman as far as the seed of Eve. All 3 would have been 'daughters of Aaron', two married and the beloved Disciple is a bride that was left at the alter (the cross and take care of Mom command) as on the return she is His wife, rather than any group being that role.


Re:12:5:
And she brought forth a man child,
who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron:
and her child was caught up unto God,
and to his throne.

Lu:1:44-49:
For,
lo,
as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears,
the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden:
for,
behold,
from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For he that is mighty hath done to me great things;
and holy is his name.
And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.

This is the Mary that sat and heard all the private teaching as well as making Jesus break out in tear when she chastised Him for not getting to Lazarus, her brother, before he died. Later she and Mary Mother of Jesus would have been in Greece and in the 70AD revolt it would have been because of Mary the mother of Jesus that she and the Beloved Disciple were exiled to the open air prison that was Patmos.

That is how it goes for Christ and the Beloved Disciple and the whole House of Israel. Jews ceased to qualify for OT salvation because they were not born on the land that is Judea in the Bible. In the return they are a static population so that also has to be taken into consideration.

Gentiles came to be called 'her children' when Peter started to teach Gentiles about God in Acts:10 that is when she would have had her first child. The 'good or bad' are people with a relationship defined in quality. 70AD is when the 12 tribes were mingled into the Nations and God just sorts them out, starting with 144,000 virgins, meaning unschooled about God. The power during that time is in the hands of the designated 2 witnesses. Something like Moses and Aaron.

The seed of Eve that is the eternal wife is the one in Re:21 that is carried to the mountain top. There are some women that would have made it to Rome with Paul until 70AD and then other Apostles would have rolled in from time to time. Mary M. and Peter could have been married and the other women would have been 'Elders' in the Church.

Pity you held it down, you might feel better and think more clearly with a little purging.
Now I feel better after doing a little purging.