Christ became saviour when he died or when he rose?
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Read the Book and find out. The whole thing and don't peak at the end and declare "the devil did it" like Born Agains do.
"One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: 'Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!'
But the other criminal rebuked him. 'Don’t you fear God,' he said, 'since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.' Then he said, 'Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.'
Jesus answered him, 'Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” (Luke 23:39-43 NIV)
Jesus has the potential to be a "saviour" when he is remembered by his followers. Ghandi has that potential and so do many others.
Did I say that?
It can't be proved or disproved that he actually died or was risen (reborn) That's the part accepted on Faith.
When he dared to challenge the powers that be, he spoke for - and encouraged - many others who lived in fear of the mighty. That is worthy of the "saviour" handle to the logical side of me.
Christ becomes a humans saviour when reason rules their lives and no other way. That's what the ancients say over and over again.
L-Man,
In my opinion, as a Christian and not a theologian, Jesus was always THE Savior - even when he was just a baby. Part of THE CHRIST'S mission was to teach and he did for a number of years. The atoning work of the cross was finished as Jesus says in John 19.
Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” 29 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. 30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
I believe both His death and resurrection go together and complete the atoning work for our sins.
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;
Our certainity of the accomplished reconciliation to God depends on the resurrection. This assures us Jesus is who he said he was.
Methinks the question to ask oneself is "Is The Christ my Savior"?
Also, look at Motar's post. Jesus had not yet died and he told the criminal beside him "TODAY, you will be with me in paradise".
Depends upon which version of Christianity you embrace...Protestant is one way Catholic another...it's all quite complex... luckily God isn't.
my girlfriend just took a course in the differences Ger and although she explained it to me, I don't think I could do so adequately or correctly... I didn't even know there was a huge difference...but apparently the Catholic perspective is more philosophical and the Protestant more biblical or pre-crucifixion, post-crucifixion...sorry... I just don't have that level of understanding. Her husband was in the seminary for 6 years so he has an advantage that I just don't have.
Yes, The Catholic Church does not use a literal eye with the Bible. It does believe that Jesus was a real person, and they do believe in the Holy Trinity, but unlike the break away Christian sects they do not take the Bible literally.
As for my take on the OP it is the same as cj44. Jesus was and is always the "Saviour". From conception.
Sal & Gerry, I think He was Savior even prior to His arrival on earth. His birth came at the appointed time so He would dwell with us upon earth, but I think he is/was always Savior. (So, even before "conception"). Old Testament messianic prophecies - the coming of the Christ (Messiah).
Certainly something to boggle our minds with.
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Before the Holy spirit planted the seed in Mary, the Saviour was just talk, prophesy.