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Motar

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In discussing the virtue of prudence in Mere Christianity, C. S. Lewis states:

"God is no fonder of intellectual slackers than of any other slackers. If you are thinking of becoming a Christian, I warn you are embarking on something which is going to take the whole of you, brains and all. But, fortunately, it works the other way round. Anyone who is honestly trying to be a Christian will soon find his intelligence being sharpened: one of the reasons why it needs no special education to be a Christian is that Christianity is an education itself. That is why an uneducated believer like Bunyan was able to write a book that has astonished the whole word."

In what way(s) does Christianity sharpen intelligence? In what way(s) is Christianity an education itself?
 

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In discussing the virtue of prudence in Mere Christianity, C. S. Lewis states:

"God is no fonder of intellectual slackers than of any other slackers. If you are thinking of becoming a Christian, I warn you are embarking on something which is going to take the whole of you, brains and all. But, fortunately, it works the other way round. Anyone who is honestly trying to be a Christian will soon find his intelligence being sharpened: one of the reasons why it needs no special education to be a Christian is that Christianity is an education itself. That is why an uneducated believer like Bunyan was able to write a book that has astonished the whole word."

In what way(s) does Christianity sharpen intelligence? In what way(s) is Christianity an education itself?

No God likes a slacker and this OP is really Slack and Idle man- get with the program- hard work- research - now git at it ya hear.
My God, the laziness in today's Christian generation. Not all Lord, just some, like this one here. Not judgin, just sayin is all.
 

Motar

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No God likes a slacker and this OP is really Slack and Idle man- get with the program- hard work- research - now git at it ya hear.
My God, the laziness in today's Christian generation. Not all Lord, just some, like this one here. Not judgin, just sayin is all.

Goob,
If you are going to speak in tongues, there should be an interpreter present : )
 

Cliffy

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Most Christians I have met and talked with are slackers who only know what they have been told. On the other hand, you have some who go overboard and fry their minds like someone on here who I will not name. Shirley there is a happy medium, but I have met only one or two.
 

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C. S. Lewis, one of the greatest minds of the 20th Century. He had the misfortune to die the same day JFK was assassinated otherwise he would have been front page on November 22, 1963.
 

damngrumpy

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Christians in many cases don't think, they depend on their pastor for
guidance so he thinks for them. I personally wonder about how one
could be more intelligent with others doing the thinking. People are
told what is right and wrong for example. What is wrong and right for
anyone. We can agree that its wrong to murder or commit rape. As for
a host of other things in life we can't say what is good or bad in a cookie
cutter fashion and religion and large sectors of Christianity do just that.
 

Dexter Sinister

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I'd like to know how C.S. Lewis knows what god is and is not fond of, claiming to know what that inscrutable old deity's expectations are has always seemed to me the height of arrogant presumption. I'd also like to point out that serious Christians don't appear to me to be any sharper than the rest of us. Quite the contrary in fact, far as I can tell all seriously religious people of any sect are suffering from a serious delusion.
 

hunboldt

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Read the book and your question will be answered.

Read "the Chronicles of NARNIA??
Sorry, Walt- glanced at it in a bookstore


Or are yourferring to CS Lewis's " the Screwtape letters????

Darn Walt- you are being cryptic here
 

Blackleaf

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No God likes a slacker and this OP is really Slack and Idle man- get with the program- hard work- research - now git at it ya hear.
My God, the laziness in today's Christian generation. Not all Lord, just some, like this one here. Not judgin, just sayin is all.

God loves everybody.
 

MHz

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Most Christians I have met and talked with are slackers who only know what they have been told. On the other hand, you have some who go overboard and fry their minds like someone on here who I will not name. Shirley there is a happy medium, but I have met only one or two.
We should chat. You have seen how some people can take a thought and project the path it is on and see the outcome. God didn't leave any teachers, he left a pile of words where it takes some projecting to be able to put the passages into the proper context. That was intentionally done by God in that every Scribe He used wrote down every single word of the information they were given the the first writer, Moses, would have had to tell what Revelation contains if God had clued him in. Same with every one that God called down to the very last one, John the Baptist. That is a good place to stop with you because despite being 'exposed' to Christianity the understanding part was not part of that. That would bean our conversation would have to start at the very first verse and define almost every word from that point on. Obviously that would take more than a page or two and seeing as you are close to being a troll yourself (a religious troll if that makes any difference).
Is your enlightenment part of the reason for this post, not a bit, if god doesn't want you gathered yet I'm not going to be able to change that, this has to do with your comment that leaves me thinking I just got called a religious idiot, and a compulsive one at that. That isn't even that big of an issue considering how important you are in my 'day job life' although I do have an instant answer for most parts of the Bible. It's a pretty big book and not all opinions are the same as to what it says and what it means. My version takes for granted that the whole book had to be in place before the chosen audience could be in place. The last generation could only be meant for the one that experiences the last 42 months of the period called 'the time of the Gentiles'. The start of the period was 70AD (Luke:21:24), we are some place before the end of that time because that would be the day of the return and a lot of big changes that are almost instantly made. Being close should allow some checks to be placed beside markers. With more than one version there is the completion of the 'falling away from the truth', and the list goes on. The list isn't that long but it does take some time to list all the points and explore what information they hold. That is my version and shows that I just thought it out a bit more carefully than most, if I can do that with Scripture I can do that in other areas of my daily life, to a certain extent. Being through is not time based, through is climbing a tree trunk and coming back down and not score high as far as being the 'fastest' but when asked a question about any of the branches on the tree only one can give a complete and accurate answer, the one who was through first. The speedy guy gets to make return trips before he knows what the branches hold. At one point many years ago I knew there was 'a plan' and it was a pretty good one' but really shy on the details, today not so shy. That is from actual work via a lot of reading and talking with others (not here obviously).

Any way lets start this part of our chat off with the tid-bit about what overboard means in general, for all I know you are the one overboard and in danger of drowning and you just want to drag somebody under with you. If God wants you saved a chopper or boat will come along, if not the Pearly Gates await you where St Peter will explain that you are early and you should have taken the chopper or the boat that God sent to save your scrawny ***.

That's how the joke goes, the truth is somebody who is overboard because of one thing is more than likely to go overboard to some degree on all things so really it is a powder-keg just waiting to blow. Now by the time it takes to read that short sentence I went from 'as calm as an 'overboarder' can ever get to being more than a little pissed off at you specifically. I have to assume you model for 'normal' is nobody but yourself (I'll get to your other role models later) The Bible can be many things to many people, I doubt your first teachers were as good an authority as they thought they were, you seem to have grasped that but perhaps not the full reason why they were so bad at their jobs, after all they were 'the experts'. To push them away did not fill the void with the right version, just 'a version' that you were comfortable with, nothing wrong with that, life is full of compromises and ditching people that mistreat you and aren't capable of change should be abandoned (put far enough away that they are no longer dangerous).

Now you have an adopted version of what God and the Bible is all about. The version I have about those two is somewhat different and it's quite detailed as far as the things it covers and the list is quite long but it is only so long to there is an end that can be reached. If you conclude what it says or means before you read and understand the material you will get the wrong picture. That also works in any other part of life, private or corporate. Define overboard in those situations and why it is acceptable or not?
 
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In discussing the virtue of prudence in Mere Christianity, C. S. Lewis states:

"God is no fonder of intellectual slackers than of any other slackers. If you are thinking of becoming a Christian, I warn you are embarking on something which is going to take the whole of you, brains and all. But, fortunately, it works the other way round. Anyone who is honestly trying to be a Christian will soon find his intelligence being sharpened: one of the reasons why it needs no special education to be a Christian is that Christianity is an education itself. That is why an uneducated believer like Bunyan was able to write a book that has astonished the whole word."

In what way(s) does Christianity sharpen intelligence? In what way(s) is Christianity an education itself?

More hooey, like in the other 860 threads on the matter.
 

PoliticalNick

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Read "the Chronicles of NARNIA??
Sorry, Walt- glanced at it in a bookstore


Or are yourferring to CS Lewis's " the Screwtape letters????

Darn Walt- you are being cryptic here

I loved the Narnia series. read them about eight times as a kid and the again a couple of years ago. Far better reading than the bible and contains just as much truth.
 

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The Bible was written by many people speculating about the divine, not by the divine speculating about people.
 

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Christians in many cases don't think, they depend on their pastor for
guidance so he thinks for them. I personally wonder about how one
could be more intelligent with others doing the thinking. People are
told what is right and wrong for example. What is wrong and right for
anyone. We can agree that its wrong to murder or commit rape. As for
a host of other things in life we can't say what is good or bad in a cookie
cutter fashion and religion and large sectors of Christianity do just that.
Yes all those Christians who settled North America sure must have been ignorant.
They couldn't even farm the black soil they found throughout the continent( oh wait)
They never made a civilizied society ( oh wait)
And I am sure no innovations were made through industrialization were from Christians.
I believe old Alexander Graham Bell might like to know he could not think for himself.
I wonder what is worse having your pastor teach you to think for yourself or to have your union bosses prepare your talking points for you and set you out to sing them to the world?