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Motar

Motar

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"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

How do you divide up the universe?

universe = time+space+matter (3)

"In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)." (Genesis 1:1)

How do you further divide up the universe?

time = past, present, future (3)
space = length, breadth, height (3)
matter = energy, motion, phenomena (3)

How did the presumed human author of Genesis, Moses, an ancient Egyptian/Hebrew prince/shepherd identify these universal divisions? Are these divisions the universal fingerprints of the triune God (Father, Son, Spirit)?
 
Walter

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Motar said:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

How do you divide up the universe?

universe = time+space+matter (3)

"In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)." (Genesis 1:1)

How do you further divide up the universe?

time = past, present, future (3)
space = length, breadth, height (3)
matter = energy, motion, phenomena (3)

How did the presumed human author of Genesis, Moses, an ancient Egyptian/Hebrew prince/shepherd identify these universal divisions? Are these divisions the universal fingerprints of the triune God (Father, Son, Spirit)?
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Ask Moses.
 
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Someone wrote a book in their day it could have been a spoof like John Stewart
and the Daily Show and somehow it caught on and explained everything.
 
Motar

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L Gilbert said:
Hey wait, Motar. I'm still struggling to figure out how 2 each of 2 million (+change) species (plus food and whatnot) all loaded into Noah's tiny, little boat.
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Perhaps you might want to start another discussion thread concerning Noah's tiny, little boat, LG : )
 
Dexter Sinister

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Motar said:
Are these divisions the universal fingerprints of the triune God (Father, Son, Spirit)?
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No. The triune god doesn't appear until several millennia after Genesis was written, and if he were going to leave such obvious fingerprints he'd probably have made the value of pi exactly 3. The Bible says it is, but it's wrong.
 
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Dexter Sinister said:
No. The triune god doesn't appear until several millennia after Genesis was written, and if he were going to leave such obvious fingerprints he'd probably have made the value of pi exactly 3. The Bible says it is, but it's wrong.
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"Then God said, 'Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they...” (Genesis 1:26) The language in this verse sounds plural to me, Dex.
 
Dexter Sinister

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Might be just the same arrogant use of the plural we find in the "Royal We," as in Queen Victoria supposedly saying "We are not amused." Plural just means more than one, not necessarily three, the son certainly made no appearance in the OT, and I don't recall the holy spirit showing up for anything either, there's not even a duality in Hebrew lore. The trinity is strictly a Christian concept. If you're perusing the Bible for evidence that it anticipates certain scientific ideas, no doubt you'll find something. It's a sufficiently large and complex document that you can, with the benefit of hindsight, always find what you're looking for, if you're willing to cherry pick and ignore context and history. But it's a mug's game.

Besides, universe=space+time+matter is the old Newtonian idea, it's been superseded by other ideas that provide a more accurate description.
 
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JLM

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Motar said:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

How do you divide up the universe?

universe = time+space+matter (3)

"In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)." (Genesis 1:1)

How do you further divide up the universe?

time = past, present, future (3)
space = length, breadth, height (3)
matter = energy, motion, phenomena (3)

How did the presumed human author of Genesis, Moses, an ancient Egyptian/Hebrew prince/shepherd identify these universal divisions? Are these divisions the universal fingerprints of the triune God (Father, Son, Spirit)?
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So you want a literal translation to a figurative statement? Good luck with that! -:)

Hey Motar- I just checked your profile for your qualifications. There aren't any, so I don't put any stock in anything you say! -:)
 
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Motar said:
"Then God said, 'Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they...” (Genesis 1:26) The language in this verse sounds plural to me, Dex.
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Genisis is the Readers Digest version of much older Sumerian and Babylonian texts. Trying to prove anything from them is a futile attempt, but if mental masturbation is your thing, have at 'er.
 
Walter

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Dexter Sinister said:
No. The triune god doesn't appear until several millennia after Genesis was written, and if he were going to leave such obvious fingerprints he'd probably have made the value of pi exactly 3. The Bible says it is, but it's wrong.
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Book, chapter and verse?
 
Motar

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JLM said:
So you want a literal translation to a figurative statement? Good luck with that! -:)

Hey Motar- I just checked your profile for your qualifications. There aren't any, so I don't put any stock in anything you say! -:)
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In my original post, JLM, I posed a science question (universe), a history question (ancient Egypt/Israel) and a theological question (triune God). Feel free to weigh in on any, all or none of these according to your interests/qualifications.
 
darkbeaver

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Tecumsehsbones said:
But the far more important question is where did the hobbits come from?
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Sexually mature and career secure Hobbits wanting to start families? Seriously though your question is always asked by people avoiding the important question of (where did all the Hobbits go?).

Motar said:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

How do you divide up the universe?

universe = time+space+matter (3)

"In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)." (Genesis 1:1)

How do you further divide up the universe?

time = past, present, future (3)
space = length, breadth, height (3)
matter = energy, motion, phenomena (3)

How did the presumed human author of Genesis, Moses, an ancient Egyptian/Hebrew prince/shepherd identify these universal divisions? Are these divisions the universal fingerprints of the triune God (Father, Son, Spirit)?
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mind and matter,,,,, mind/matter=life
 
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