Christian Discussion (by levanty)

(please keep all posts on-topic!)

There must now be brought out an unrevealed significance of the fish symbol in the zodiac and in mythical religion. It is of astonishing import. Water is the type of natural birth because all natural birth proceeds in and from water. All first life originated in the sea water. The fish is a birth in and from the water, and it stands patently as the generic type of organic life issuing out of inorganic! The fish typifies life embodied in a physical organic structure. Organic life is born out of the water, and is the first birth, child of the water-mother. And if organic life is in turn to become mother, its child will be mind and spiritual consciousness, son of the fish-mother! In brief, water is the mother of natural physical being, and organic structure becomes the later mother of divine mind.
Now, strangely enough, water is the type of another thing which is still more germinal of life, namely, matter. Matter is the virgin mother of all life in the aboriginal genesis. All things are generated in the womb of primordial matter, the "old genetrix" of Egyptian mythology. And it is by a consideration of the nature of matter and its evolution
that we are enabled to arrive at last at the true meaning of the double motherhood of life. For oddly enough, matter is seen to exist in two states, in each of which it becomes mother of life, at two different levels. Primordial matter, the sea of (to us) empty space, is the first mother of all living forms. This is the primal "abyss of the waters" in Genesis. The Latin word for "mother" is our very word "matter," with one "t" left out--mater. And how close to mater is water! And organic structure is the second mother, parent of spiritual mind.


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This is directed towards everyone. The other thread was moved as it had gone from Christian Discussion to fighting amongst members. Also, the Members Lounge is only viewable for Members.

I will be pruning some posts from this thread, and editing the volatile title of the thread to 'Christian Discussion by levanty'. Who knows? Maybe it will elicit some discussion?

Jordan Maxwell Cliffy? Jeepers man.

I'm wondering what is left to discuss about religion as every ramification and sub ramification has already been discussed, digested and regurgitated ad infinitim.

Almost...I'm holding out on some doozies.

OK, so we have a blank thread labeled "Christian Discussion" and we're being asked to keep it on subject, but what do we want to talk about?

Do we discuss:
- the beauty of Jesus' philosphy of peace, love and forgiveness?
- the way many modern Christians are Christian in name only, and not practice?
- the relationship of all the Judeo-Christian religions, including Islam and the reason for strife between the sects?
- theo-politcal questions like the Roman Catholic assertion that the Church must act as a conduit between humanity and God, rather than humanity just speaking to God directly? (complete with the biblical references?)

This could be an anything goes thread...

Pssssst! There is no such thing as Judeo-Christian. None. Zero. Nada. Zip zant doodly squat. SFA.

I have no idea who Jordan Maxwell is. I just threw this in because the OP needed some place to start. Most of the other clips about the pagan Christ were too long.

My church has study groups 8 weeks every year. There is always something to discuss with like minded individuals.

This board is not that and I don't personally feel comfortable discussing my religion/spirituality on it. Its one of those topics like the Middle East which seems to be discussed at infinitum with of course no solution or common ground.

So you do have a point. Its kind of a useless topic on this board.

Now you have something to watch on YouTube. You'll probably enjoy it but use a filter.

Like what?

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This is much more interesting:

Ya but: It's a good way to keep the "religious" and "anti-religious" nutters in one place

The thread is the very essence of christian discussion mirroring exactly the period just before the dark ages. God help us.

It becomes evident on this thesis that the historical element of the scriptures is of far less significance than has been supposed. It is the philosophy of history and not the data of history that is of foremost concern. As exhibiting providential design in world life it becomes of epic moment. The Hebrew race has exploited this phase of the old methodology to its highest possibility, only, however, as Egypt had done before it; and has been so successful that it has left the impression of a unique and exalted hierarchical status for the Jewish race. The outcome of our correction of vision will be that we shall for the first time properly regard the Old Testament books as, in the main, the universal drama of the spiritual life masquerading in the disguise of Hebrew history subtly woven into the great cosmic epic! The Biblical title Israelites is a spiritual designation purely, and is wrongly taken in the sense of the name of an ethnic group. "My people of Israel" or "the children of Israel" of the Hebrew deity are just the divinized humans, mortals who have put on the immortal spiritual nature, men graduated into Christhood, a spiritual group in the early Mysteries. Gentiles were those who were not yet spiritually reborn. The word comes from the Latin and Greek roots, "gen," "gent," meaning simply "to be born." They were those born as the first or natural man, but not yet reborn as the spiritual Christ. It can be given no ethnic reference. The name "Israelite" is obviously compounded of "Is," abbreviation of Isis, or Eve’s original name, Issa (See Josephus); "Ra," the great Egyptian
solar god, male and spiritual; and the Hebrew "El," God. It would then read, Father-Mother-God, making his "children" the sons of God, i.e., Christs. Likewise the name "Hebrews" means "those beyond" (the merely human state), and therefore is practically identical with "Israelites." Finally the term "Jews" (from the plural of the Egyptian IU--Latin JU) refers to the "male-female divinities," a title given in the Mysteries to men made gods and thus restored to androgyne, or male-female, condition. The national Jews thus adopted for their historical name all three of the exalted spiritual designations conferred in the Mysteries on the Epoptae or completely divinized candidates.
It was hardly expected that any positive documentary evidence could be found in support of the evident fact that these names had simply been appropriated by the race using them as illustrious titles abstracted from the uranograph. But a direct statement to that precise effect was found in the Hebrew Grammar of Gesenius, a learned German scholar, (on p. 6):
"Of the names Hebrews . . . and Israelites . . . the latter was more a national name of honor and was applied by the people to themselves with a patriotic reference to their descent from illustrious ancestors; . . ."--

Where did the David wannabes bugger off to?

And Gawd said, "Go lieth."

On the 8th day he created the strip club run by the H.A.s and all was iffy.

I did quite a lot of that in my younger years. Lieth together. A wild and wonderful youth.

I tried to stay awake...

I lay with Lucifer and spawned a demon. 19 years later thine house in the mazeroth lay empty.

And Mazeroth is????

Not me - I needed little slepp then. Now it is much different.

Ok Totally on topic. Prove that god exists. First religion that produces proof gets the soles.

mazzaroth? Look to the stars!

Unfocused nature? It is the job of all modern religion and religious practice to permanently keep us unfocused on nature, the most powerful god of all. There should not be allowed intolerant restricted participation in any religious thread. Religion like banking deserves no free ride, history demands that religion be chained and guarded lest it become itself universal and omnipotent. It is a synthetic cultural poison entirely anti or unnatural in every respect. The Dark Ages attest to the result of blind obedience to gross superstition. The emotion of faith is step one but a one stepped ladder just leads as far as easter bunnies and fat gift bearing chimney cleaners . Faith wakes the intellect where meat for a proper sandwich may be had. Lift up yer foot and climb. all subject to change, just opinion, not the actual word of god mind you I am growing a beard, it looks like it will be white

The Zodiac as in the Biblos.

Prove you exist beyond an image in the light.