Libertarianism

[El Barto]

Out of ignorance to the deffinition of the word Libertarian , I came across this .

What is Libertarianism? (by Marilee Haylock)

Found it so far , very interesting...so far.... coffee break ....ok back to reading more

 

[taxslave]

I am basically a libertarian in that I believe in personal rights and freedoms with minimum government intervention but I looked at the Libertarian Party of Canada website a while ago and they are right out to lunch. Sort of polar opposite from raving socialists, looks good on paper but would never work in the real world.
If the Libs form the net government that is what we will have: Lots of stuff that looks good on paper but will never work.

 

[El Barto]

Can you pick out an issue where you see it failing ?... well start with one..I would like details

 

[taxslave]

Can you pick out an issue where you see it failing ?... well start with one..I would like details

Start with their idea of voluntary taxation. I suggest you look at their web site. Been about two years I guess since ( did.

 

[El Barto]

Official Languages
We call for the repeal of the Official Languages Act, and any other legislation compelling individuals to use certain languages. We believe that the federal government should provide services in English, French, or any other language provided that the costs of such services are borne by the individuals requesting them.


I find this logical.....if i understand it ...thos that are in Vancouver that speak Chinese would pay for thier own services in that language?
I know French is an official language but ....geez ... where needed please.

 

[CDNBear]

I'm with taxslave on this one.

 

[El Barto]

Cool .... since it is election time , I think exploring these fringe parties might be illuminating ....
I will look into the voluntary tax proposal..... but right off the bat ...sounds iffy

Property Rights: Do you know that if the government decides that it wants "or needs" your house, they can actually take it - with or without adequate compensation? Naturally, this is wrong. So we want to protect Canadians' property rights through a constitutional amendment.

still looking , but is this true?

 

[McRocket]

If Dr. Ron Paul were Canadian and ran for PM AND promised that were he to win that his government would continue to look after those that cannot look after themselves (which goes against Libertarianism - imo); then I would vote for him in a second.


For those that do not know - Ron Paul used to head the American Libertarian Party and is now a Republican with many Libertarian-like views.


I like much about Libertarianism.

But I do not like their basically 'every man/woman for themselves' view.

I do strongly believe that governments have to help those that cannot help themselves - just not as much as present Canadian governments do.

 

[CDNBear]

still looking , but is this true?

To a degree, yes.

I'll cite the proposed Pickering Airport as an example.

 

[taxslave]

Official Languages
We call for the repeal of the Official Languages Act, and any other legislation compelling individuals to use certain languages. We believe that the federal government should provide services in English, French, or any other language provided that the costs of such services are borne by the individuals requesting them.


I find this logical.....if i understand it ...thos that are in Vancouver that speak Chinese would pay for thier own services in that language?
I know French is an official language but ....geez ... where needed please.

OK Heres the problem with this on. Mostly a matter of logistics. Do we have someone that can speak the many chinese languages on duty in case some one wants government services in one of those languages? And how do they get paid? Fee for service or regular government paycheque. Actually right now one can get government services in any language one desires by paying a certified interpreter to come with you to the government office.

 

[El Barto]

Taxation
Because we believe that every individual is entitled to keep the product of his or her labour, we oppose, as a violation of individual rights, all government activity which consists of the forcible collection of money or goods from citizens.
Specifically, we support the repeal of all taxation. Pending such repeal, we are opposed to the use of criminal sanctions against tax evaders, and support unconditional amnesty for all persons convicted of violating tax law.
We oppose, as involuntary servitude, any legal requirements forcing employers or business owners to serve as tax collectors for any government agency.
We support a system of fees for services rendered, and collection of voluntary donations, as methods for financing government services in a free society

Found it......ummmmm ok ...... doesn't sound realistic

 

[taxslave]

If Dr. Ron Paul were Canadian and ran for PM AND promised that were he to win that his government would continue to look after those that cannot look after themselves (which goes against Libertarianism - imo); then I would vote for him in a second.


For those that do not know - Ron Paul used to head the American Libertarian Party and is now a Republican with many Libertarian-like views.


I like much about Libertarianism.

But I do not like their basically 'every man/woman for themselves' view.

I do strongly believe that governments have to help those that cannot help themselves - just not as much as present Canadian governments do.

I forgot about that one. No social safety net. I think that would be regression, not progress.

 

[El Barto]

If Dr. Ron Paul were Canadian and ran for PM AND promised that were he to win that his government would continue to look after those that cannot look after themselves (which goes against Libertarianism - imo); then I would vote for him in a second.


For those that do not know - Ron Paul used to head the American Libertarian Party and is now a Republican with many Libertarian-like views.


I like much about Libertarianism.

But I do not like their basically 'every man/woman for themselves' view.

I do strongly believe that governments have to help those that cannot help themselves - just not as much as present Canadian governments do.

I would see the Government also stepping in to protect the citizens in areas like ....this gas gouging....Enviroment protection of our air , water and land ..... example this shale, shail gas thing .... lots of water wells are effected by this ..... and health issues ...example ... removing all the toxic additives in cigarettes ffs .....Responsible management of our money like the pension plan ..... that idea only works if the population is increasing ....

I would see the Government also stepping in to protect the citizens in areas like ....this gas gouging....Enviroment protection of our air , water and land ..... example this shale, shail gas thing .... lots of water wells are effected by this ..... and health issues ...example ... removing all the toxic additives in cigarettes ffs .....Responsible management of our money like the pension plan ..... that idea only works if the population is increasing ....

Money
We oppose any government involvement in the monetary and banking system. We propose elimination of the Bank of Canada and the termination of government power to issue or regulate currency or credit.
We support the continued freedom of any individual or group to own gold or any other commodity of exchange, as well as the right to produce coinage and issue currency.

Isn't it due to the Government regulations with banking that help soften the blow of this global recession?

 

[taxslave]

I would see the Government also stepping in to protect the citizens in areas like ....this gas gouging....Enviroment protection of our air , water and land ..... example this shale, shail gas thing .... lots of water wells are effected by this ..... and health issues ...example ... removing all the toxic additives in cigarettes ffs .....Responsible management of our money like the pension plan ..... that idea only works if the population is increasing ....



Money
We oppose any government involvement in the monetary and banking system. We propose elimination of the Bank of Canada and the termination of government power to issue or regulate currency or credit.
We support the continued freedom of any individual or group to own gold or any other commodity of exchange, as well as the right to produce coinage and issue currency.

Isn't it due to the Government regulations with banking that help soften the blow of this global recession?

Like I said lots of classroom theory but not much real world. Probably would make a good thesis. I put them down as nutbars although not sure if they would be right or left. Maybe just garden variety nutbars? I'm betting their party is controlled by either teachers or 30 somethings that still live in their parent's basement.

 

[El Barto]

Like I said lots of classroom theory but not much real world. Probably would make a good thesis. I put them down as nutbars although not sure if they would be right or left. Maybe just garden variety nutbars? I'm betting their party is controlled by either teachers or 30 somethings that still live in their parent's basement.

I seem to like some of thier ideals..... but like you say .....

I am working on a concept for a new political party....still on the back burner tho....One where the paying members of that party have power over the elected mp, mna....thus shifting to power closer to the little guy...us. By doing that it would hopefully help eliminate power plays. Making it also more of a direct on the spot representation system

 

[Cannuck]

I've supported the Libertarians in the past because I think we need a shift in their direction. That said, I don't happen to agree with alot of their ideas.

"In Fact, over the last 100 years, the ideal of socialism has permeated most of the world and we can see its abysmal results."

I have an issue with that statement. Everybody has a different idea as to what socialism is or isn't. That said, there are places where it hasn't been too bad. I'd rather be a Swede today than an American.

 

[taxslave]

I've supported the Libertarians in the past because I think we need a shift in their direction. That said, I don't happen to agree with alot of their ideas.

"In Fact, over the last 100 years, the ideal of socialism has permeated most of the world and we can see its abysmal results."

I have an issue with that statement. Everybody has a different idea as to what socialism is or isn't. That said, there are places where it hasn't been too bad. I'd rather be a Swede today than an American.

Or in a swede?

 

[Cannuck]