David Frum: The disastrous legacy of Pierre Trudeau | Full Comment | National Post
Oh and that is just the conclusion!
Well worth the read, love him (God forbid) or hate him.
Pierre Trudeau trashed!! Read this....I love it!
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Oh and that is just the conclusion!
Well worth the read, love him (God forbid) or hate him.
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All I can say is you'll get exactly what you deserve......if you vote for the winning side.
We will get exactly the same no matter who wins. PMs and parties hold no power at all. You will get whoever the ruling elite say you get and you will not like it any which way but loose. Stock up on Vaseline and Preparation H.Troll
All I can say is you'll get exactly what you deserve......if you vote for the winning side.
What does Harper have to do with Trudeau, other than having to deal with the leftover climate that he created? Frum nailed what was wrong with Trudeau's regime. Undoubtedly, some will attempt to come to his defense, but the man was an unmitigated disaster, as Frum asserts.
I don't understand those who still want to defend the man. Maybe its because I was raised in Alberta and saw the direct effects of his policies and what they meant to so many people (losing jobs, businesses and homes), as I was growing up. He is responsible for my deep distrust of the Liberal party in all its forms (although his acolyte, Chretien, did a pretty good job of helping that distrust grow as well).
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All I can say is you'll get exactly what you deserve......if you vote for the winning side.
Colpy....you mean....you...don't ...like the Liberals.??.8O.....I'm shocked....8O
What? Ultraconservative David Frum doesn't like Pierre Trudeau? Isn't he beating a dead horse - literally? Isn't it also interesting that a recent poll voted Trudeau Canada's greatest PM? That must really stick in Frum's throat.
And who does Frum choose as examples of Prime Ministers who had to clean up Trudeau's mistakes? - Mulroney, Chretien, and Harper. I might be able to go along with Chretien, but he was actually cleaning up Mulroney's mistakes. As for Harper he is the antithesis of a true conservative in everything but his religious beliefs and tendency to keep government as secretive as possible. Just in case Mr. From didn't notice it is Harper who has expanded the Canadian civil service to record levels and who is currently running the largest deficits in Canadian history.
And who does Frum choose as examples of Prime Ministers who had to clean up Trudeau's mistakes? - Mulroney, Chretien, and Harper. I might be able to go along with Chretien, but he was actually cleaning up Mulroney's mistakes. As for Harper he is the antithesis of a true conservative in everything but his religious beliefs and tendency to keep government as secretive as possible. Just in case Mr. From didn't notice it is Harper who has expanded the Canadian civil service to record levels and who is currently running the largest deficits in Canadian history.
The idea that Pierre Trudeau was Canada's greatest PM.....over Sir John A. for example, is an outlandish exhibition of Canadian ignorance of their own government and history.
Mr. Frum, if you read the article, was engaged in a formal debate.....
I would like to read the other side. Might be good for a laugh.
There there Colpy, that dirty old dead horse isn't going to bother you again, we hope? :lol:
Caroline Mallan
QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU CHIEF
Pierre Trudeau is the top pick as the greatest Canadian of the 20th century, a new national public opinion survey suggests.
In second place is Terry Fox, the inspirational hero who tried to walk across Canada after losing a leg to cancer, while hockey great Wayne Gretzky is the top choice of living Canadians.
The poll, conducted by Ekos Research Associates, asked more than 3,000 Canadians to name their choice for top honours. Trudeau was the resounding favourite at 32 per cent, with Fox coming a distant second at 6 per cent and Gretzky placing third with 4 per cent.
Fourth-place honours were shared by former prime minister Lester B. Pearson, who is viewed as the father of Canadian peacekeeping, and René Lévesque, who led the separatist Parti Québécois to its first electoral victory. Both men were named by 3 per cent of respondents.
Former prime ministers William Mackenzie King, Wilfrid Laurier, John Diefenbaker and Brian Mulroney are also named in the survey, but received less than 2 per cent of the votes.
Frank Graves, president of Ekos, said the battle that Trudeau and Lévesque fought for the hearts of Quebecers seems to continue from the grave.
"Even in death, Trudeau trumps Lévesque," said Graves of the findings.
Trudeau support was strongest in Quebec and Ontario and waned in the western provinces, especially Alberta, where Trudeau's controversial National Energy Program is still proving to be a sore point, Graves added. He said the people who chose Trudeau are the baby-boomers who were coming of age when "Trudeaumania" swept the nation in the early 1970s.
Prime Minister Jean Chrétien was the top choice among living politicians, with 2 per cent of the vote.
He tied with Frederick Banting, discoverer of insulin.
Other Canadians mentioned randomly by respondents include pop diva Céline Dion and World War I flying ace Billy Bishop.
Caroline Mallan
QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU CHIEF
Pierre Trudeau is the top pick as the greatest Canadian of the 20th century, a new national public opinion survey suggests.
In second place is Terry Fox, the inspirational hero who tried to walk across Canada after losing a leg to cancer, while hockey great Wayne Gretzky is the top choice of living Canadians.
The poll, conducted by Ekos Research Associates, asked more than 3,000 Canadians to name their choice for top honours. Trudeau was the resounding favourite at 32 per cent, with Fox coming a distant second at 6 per cent and Gretzky placing third with 4 per cent.
Fourth-place honours were shared by former prime minister Lester B. Pearson, who is viewed as the father of Canadian peacekeeping, and René Lévesque, who led the separatist Parti Québécois to its first electoral victory. Both men were named by 3 per cent of respondents.
Former prime ministers William Mackenzie King, Wilfrid Laurier, John Diefenbaker and Brian Mulroney are also named in the survey, but received less than 2 per cent of the votes.
Frank Graves, president of Ekos, said the battle that Trudeau and Lévesque fought for the hearts of Quebecers seems to continue from the grave.
"Even in death, Trudeau trumps Lévesque," said Graves of the findings.
Trudeau support was strongest in Quebec and Ontario and waned in the western provinces, especially Alberta, where Trudeau's controversial National Energy Program is still proving to be a sore point, Graves added. He said the people who chose Trudeau are the baby-boomers who were coming of age when "Trudeaumania" swept the nation in the early 1970s.
Prime Minister Jean Chrétien was the top choice among living politicians, with 2 per cent of the vote.
He tied with Frederick Banting, discoverer of insulin.
Other Canadians mentioned randomly by respondents include pop diva Céline Dion and World War I flying ace Billy Bishop.
How cann he be a masochist? The man has been dead a long time and his "rein of terror" ended long before that. What has it got to do with today? I think nothing. Conservatives are grabbing at straws to deflect blame from their hero Harpo. Iggy has already been crucified on the alter of public opinion by the media, so one has to wonder why the conservatives still feel so insecure that they need to bash a dead guy.
Ahhhh yes, McDonald, one of Canada's premier alcoholics, definitely someone to aspire to.
Macdonald - the guy who wanted to sell off Canadian Pacific to Americans.... Some things never change. Canadian politics, eh?
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Thanks for proving my point......you can't even spell the name of the nation's founder.
Better Sir John A. Macdonald drunk, than any other PM sober.........
Sir John A. Macdonald
Typical alcoholic, dismissing his obvious problems and blaming others for it. Or could that be a typical conservative trait?
Trudeau had his strong points and his weak points. The one thing I could never figure out was what women saw in him.
He was one of the fugliest Canadians ever. Next to Geddy Lee the fugliest.
Geddy is the one on the right
He was one of the fugliest Canadians ever. Next to Geddy Lee the fugliest.
Geddy is the one on the right
