The Canadian Zionism Question


darkbeaver
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The Canadian Zionism Question
By Denis G. Rancourt
26 January, 2011
Activist Teacher Blog (external - login to view)
“This is the kind of obviousness that a child can see—though the child may, later in life, become browbeaten into believing that the obvious problems are "non-problems", to be argued into nonexistence by careful reasoning and clever choices of definition.”
-- Roger Penrose
“... so obvious that it takes really impressive discipline to miss it ...”
-- Noam Chomsky
Here we have Israel as an internationally recognized thug, keeper of the largest open-air prison on earth, regularly practicing war crimes against civilians, targeting civilian infrastructure and continuously disregarding the Geneva Conventions – virtually unanimously denounced by the international community, by every human rights watch group on the globe, and by international civil society for the last many decades [1] – and how do Canadian politicians and parliamentarians respond?
Israel, the modern sate that shamelessly uses the Nazi holocaust to justify overtly racist domestic and foreign national policies, stock piles nuclear weapons, incites wars on its neighbours, overtly funds propaganda in foreign countries, routinely practices international pirating, kidnappings and murders, openly performs political assassinations [1]... and how do Canadian politicians and parliamentarians respond?
Israel has no significant economic exchanges with Canada and performs no significant geopolitical service of benefit to Canada; a Canada with virtually no economic ties with the Middle East and a Canada that is a net exporter of oil and gas.
Yet, apart from the independent-thinking Bloc Quebecois, it seems that half the time that English Canadian politicians open their mouths it’s to denounce a “new anti-Semitism” that social scientists and statisticians tell us is a media fabrication or to express Israel’s “right to defend itself” or to declare Canada’s “unwavering support for Israel.” Not to mention Israel’s “right to exist”! [2]
What about unwavering support for human rights and international law?
And I count the NDP (New Democratic Party) establishment prepared to sacrifice one of its own for stating a historic fact and happy to stand silent in the face of Zio-zeal.
The Canadian Zionism Question is: Why?
Why has Zio-zeal become English Canada’s new political religion? If Canada is Israel’s friend why doesn’t Canada help Israel abandon violence as its main diplomatic tool and facilitate Israel’s integration into the community of nations that denounce violence and racism? Why doesn’t Canada help Israel and its people?
How do English Canada politicians benefit from being subservient to US geopolitical doctrine? Or how would they suffer from not trading away Canada’s sovereignty; and how are most Quebec politicians immune?
Would it be so difficult for English Canada politicians to not so enthusiastically kiss the *** of the Middle East tyrant? And not adopt unanimous parliamentary resolutions to suppress criticism of Israel on university campuses? And not spend valuable parliamentary resources “investigating” imagined new anti-Semitism in Canada?
How in God’s name can we understand this new madness?
What happened? Sure there was CanWest but it died, despite the government’s best efforts to covertly bail it out.
What is going on?
Some prominent cover-up artists have suggested that English Canada politicians are overly preoccupied with pleasing Jewish voters. But there just aren’t enough Jewish voters to explain transforming the Parliament into the embarrassing Zio-zeal fest that it has become, in the face of an opposing world consensus view. In addition there are growing numbers of Jewish Canadians who are critical of Israel and of Canada’s uncritical support for Israel and its policies. [3]
No there has to be more to it than Jewish voters. Not to mention that 56% of Canadians have a “mainly negative view of Israel”. [4] (The average global opinion for “mainly positive view of Israel” is 17%. [4])
Given the overwhelming evidence for the Zio-zeal phenomenon and given its obvious sovereignty implications, it seems fair to ask the Canadian Zionism Question: Why?
There are at least two categories of possible answers: One that involves the obedience of service intellectuals and political caretakers and a related one that involves “following the money”. There is also of course the always useful appeal to mythology:
“And then, you know, there's the obvious one - you love someone so much that you would do anything to spend all of eternity with them.”
-- The Vampire Diaries (TV series)
Is not the Zionism Question a worthy research question – brimming with societal implications – for tenured university professors? Or is everyone afraid of Stanley Fish and his crasser cohorts? Hey, those goons are in the US – remember?
References
[1] See the work of Norman Finkelstein: Norman G. Finkelstein (external - login to view)
[2] “On Israel's 'Right to Exist' and on Racism” by Denis G. Rancourt, Palestine Chronicle, June 30, 2010: On Israel's 'Right to Exist' and on Racism (external - login to view)
[3] e.g. Independent Jewish Voices (Canada):Independent Jewish Voices (Canada) (external - login to view)
[4] 2007 global opinion survey, as reported in “For Israel, every traveller is an ambassador” by Patrick Martin, Globe and Mail, February 23, 2010.
New terms
Zionism Question – Why all the unconditional support for Israel and its crimes from Western politicians?
Zio-zeal – Western politicians’ beyond-the-call-of-duty enthusiasm to publicly support Israel and its crimes.
Denis G. Rancourt was a tenured and full professor of physics at the University of Ottawa in Canada. He practiced several areas of science which were funded by a national agency and ran an internationally recognized laboratory. He published over 100 articles in leading scientific journals. He developed popular activism courses and was an outspoken critic of the university administration and a defender of student and Palestinian rights. He was fired for his dissidence in 2009 by a president who is a staunch supporter of Israeli policy. [See rancourt.academicfreedom.ca (external - login to view)]
 
Unforgiven
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If you can't fight, learn how to negotiate. The Palestinians have managed to do neither. I mean even when some international group of countries asks them if they want a state of their own, they can't even manage to say "yeah sure". Not to sound bigoted but the people living in Gaza and other enclaves have to be in the top ten can't get it together groups in the whole world.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by UnforgivenView Post

If you can't fight, learn how to negotiate. The Palestinians have managed to do neither. I mean even when some international group of countries asks them if they want a state of their own, they can't even manage to say "yeah sure". Not to sound bigoted but the people living in Gaza and other enclaves have to be in the top ten can't get it together groups in the whole world.

So unforgivin, can we put you down as a supporter of the zionist infiltration of Canada? And if so, what do you see for a future Canada ruled entirely, excepting local bag men and overseers, from Tel Aviv?
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#4
You must have nightmares about creeping Zionism crawling all over you. You found them running Canada also. Yes my little Beaver, roughly 6 million people are controlling all of us, we are all zombies doing their bidding. I just wish we all had the strength and courage of that tiny little country.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
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I just wish you knew what you were talking about. You see strength and courage in that little country. You must be watching them shoot farmers and old ladies or roughing up pregnant women at check points or shooting kids in the head. You have a defiled sense of the courageous Ironsides. That's what makes it easy to debase yourself before false strength though.
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Unforgiven
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

So unforgivin, can we put you down as a supporter of the zionist infiltration of Canada? And if so, what do you see for a future Canada ruled entirely, excepting local bag men and overseers, from Tel Aviv?

I for one welcome our new foreskinless overlords.
 
damngrumpy
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Everything is the fault of the Zionists, err the Jews and we all know that right? Get serious,
Israel is one tiny country in a region nearly but not entirely surrounded by nations who hate
it, yet they still manage to get the spotlight. Why because they are reasonable, they don't
send out suicide bombers and fill the airwaves with ridiculous propaganda that no one will
ever believe. They talk about building relations with others as opposed to the old line, about
driving their enemy into the sea. Even if Israel doesn't always mean what they say, they give
the impression that there is some sanity in their position. The other stark contrast is one of
we will all live a life in sack cloth and ashes, we will suffer on earth and not embrace the
future. We will dwell on ancient religious traditions at the expense of all else including our
place in the world and our children's future.
Is that necessarily the position of the Palestinians or the Arab world? Probably not, but that
is the impression they leave with those not involved with their plight. The problem is for these
groups is they make no effort to portray some semblance of sanity.
As for Israel being a group of thugs, nonsense, they are legally recognized as a nation of the
world. Not only that, but the Arab States that have signed onto the United Nations, unofficially
or otherwise they recognize Israel as a State on the world stage. If they joined the UN and do
not recognize Israel they are bigger hypocrites than anyone thought. The Arab World cannot
have it both ways. It is time for them to get their own house in order. Most of the other Arab
States are quite happy to have the Palestinians remain in misery. The reason, is that way they
can have a cause at the down trod-dens expense in order to carry out their own agenda.
People who constantly have one theme and one theme only to down grade one group endlessly
must have a lot of hate or fear in their heart. I can't imagine going around blaming one group for
all the ills of the world. I think there are some very valid points that the Arabs have however it is
clouded by a veil mistrust that they themselves have fostered by their rhetoric and actions that
have been played out before the eyes of the rest of the world. Until they show they want to join
the rest of the world in a society of respect and responsible behaviour no one will want to listen
to them or support them. That is the fact. Who has the image of being thugs? Israel or the
people doing the suicide bombing? What the world Sees is what the world believes.
 
eh1eh
#8
I have a french cut so I'm neither Zionist pig nor Muslim dog. Wel I guess that makes me free.

LOL

The board has fonts too big for it.
Unless you type something after. I think it is a muslo-ziofacist plot.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

Everything is the fault of the Zionists, err the Jews and we all know that right? Get serious,
Israel is one tiny country in a region nearly but not entirely surrounded by nations who hate
it, yet they still manage to get the spotlight. Why because they are reasonable, they don't
send out suicide bombers and fill the airwaves with ridiculous propaganda that no one will
ever believe. They talk about building relations with others as opposed to the old line, about
driving their enemy into the sea. Even if Israel doesn't always mean what they say, they give
the impression that there is some sanity in their position.

The OP is about zionist infiltration of Canadian institutions. I noticed that you avoided any mention of that in your haste to defend Israel instead of defending Canada. Does Israel come first with you? If so you're not alone as most of our parliamentarians also share that strange and dangerous position for Canadians.
 
earth_as_one
#10
I'm against demonizing propaganda. I believe most a majority of Israelis want a fair and just peace with their neighbors. Unfortunately the majority of their leaders don't feel the same way.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#11
I'm afraid I'll need surgery before I can take Noam Chomsky seriously.

A frontal lobotomy, to be exact.

A Michael Moore for the intellectual set.
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

I'm against demonizing propaganda. I believe most a majority of Israelis want a fair and just peace with their neighbors. Unfortunately the majority of their leaders don't feel the same way.

Now they want a fair and just peace, after they've stolen with the help of the Americans, a majority of the land the Palestinians had lived on for centuries. Now they are willing to give them a bunch of useless sand in Gaza.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

I'm against demonizing propaganda. I believe most a majority of Israelis want a fair and just peace with their neighbors. Unfortunately the majority of their leaders don't feel the same way.

I agree EAO, almost all Arab Leaders and many Palestinian Leaders don't want peace.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post


(external - login to view)The Canadian Zionism Question
By Denis G. Rancourt
26 January, 2011
Activist Teacher Blog (external - login to view)
“This is the kind of obviousness that a child can see—though the child may, later in life, become browbeaten into believing that the obvious problems are "non-problems", to be argued into nonexistence by careful reasoning and clever choices of definition.”
-- Roger Penrose
“... so obvious that it takes really impressive discipline to miss it ...”
-- Noam Chomsky
Here we have Israel as an internationally recognized thug, keeper of the largest open-air prison on earth, regularly practicing war crimes against civilians, targeting civilian infrastructure and continuously disregarding the Geneva Conventions – virtually unanimously denounced by the international community, by every human rights watch group on the globe, and by international civil society for the last many decades [1] – and how do Canadian politicians and parliamentarians respond?
Israel, the modern sate that shamelessly uses the Nazi holocaust to justify overtly racist domestic and foreign national policies, stock piles nuclear weapons, incites wars on its neighbours, overtly funds propaganda in foreign countries, routinely practices international pirating, kidnappings and murders, openly performs political assassinations [1]... and how do Canadian politicians and parliamentarians respond?
Israel has no significant economic exchanges with Canada and performs no significant geopolitical service of benefit to Canada; a Canada with virtually no economic ties with the Middle East and a Canada that is a net exporter of oil and gas.
Yet, apart from the independent-thinking Bloc Quebecois, it seems that half the time that English Canadian politicians open their mouths it’s to denounce a “new anti-Semitism” that social scientists and statisticians tell us is a media fabrication or to express Israel’s “right to defend itself” or to declare Canada’s “unwavering support for Israel.” Not to mention Israel’s “right to exist”! [2]
What about unwavering support for human rights and international law?
And I count the NDP (New Democratic Party) establishment prepared to sacrifice one of its own for stating a historic fact and happy to stand silent in the face of Zio-zeal.
The Canadian Zionism Question is: Why?
Why has Zio-zeal become English Canada’s new political religion? If Canada is Israel’s friend why doesn’t Canada help Israel abandon violence as its main diplomatic tool and facilitate Israel’s integration into the community of nations that denounce violence and racism? Why doesn’t Canada help Israel and its people?
How do English Canada politicians benefit from being subservient to US geopolitical doctrine? Or how would they suffer from not trading away Canada’s sovereignty; and how are most Quebec politicians immune?
Would it be so difficult for English Canada politicians to not so enthusiastically kiss the *** of the Middle East tyrant? And not adopt unanimous parliamentary resolutions to suppress criticism of Israel on university campuses? And not spend valuable parliamentary resources “investigating” imagined new anti-Semitism in Canada?
How in God’s name can we understand this new madness?
What happened? Sure there was CanWest but it died, despite the government’s best efforts to covertly bail it out.
What is going on?
Some prominent cover-up artists have suggested that English Canada politicians are overly preoccupied with pleasing Jewish voters. But there just aren’t enough Jewish voters to explain transforming the Parliament into the embarrassing Zio-zeal fest that it has become, in the face of an opposing world consensus view. In addition there are growing numbers of Jewish Canadians who are critical of Israel and of Canada’s uncritical support for Israel and its policies. [3]
No there has to be more to it than Jewish voters. Not to mention that 56% of Canadians have a “mainly negative view of Israel”. [4] (The average global opinion for “mainly positive view of Israel” is 17%. [4])
Given the overwhelming evidence for the Zio-zeal phenomenon and given its obvious sovereignty implications, it seems fair to ask the Canadian Zionism Question: Why?
There are at least two categories of possible answers: One that involves the obedience of service intellectuals and political caretakers and a related one that involves “following the money”. There is also of course the always useful appeal to mythology:
“And then, you know, there's the obvious one - you love someone so much that you would do anything to spend all of eternity with them.”
-- The Vampire Diaries (TV series)
Is not the Zionism Question a worthy research question – brimming with societal implications – for tenured university professors? Or is everyone afraid of Stanley Fish and his crasser cohorts? Hey, those goons are in the US – remember?
References
[1] See the work of Norman Finkelstein: Norman G. Finkelstein (external - login to view)
[2] “On Israel's 'Right to Exist' and on Racism” by Denis G. Rancourt, Palestine Chronicle, June 30, 2010: On Israel's 'Right to Exist' and on Racism (external - login to view)
[3] e.g. Independent Jewish Voices (Canada):Independent Jewish Voices (Canada) (external - login to view)
[4] 2007 global opinion survey, as reported in “For Israel, every traveller is an ambassador” by Patrick Martin, Globe and Mail, February 23, 2010.
New terms
Zionism Question – Why all the unconditional support for Israel and its crimes from Western politicians?
Zio-zeal – Western politicians’ beyond-the-call-of-duty enthusiasm to publicly support Israel and its crimes.
Denis G. Rancourt was a tenured and full professor of physics at the University of Ottawa in Canada. He practiced several areas of science which were funded by a national agency and ran an internationally recognized laboratory. He published over 100 articles in leading scientific journals. He developed popular activism courses and was an outspoken critic of the university administration and a defender of student and Palestinian rights. He was fired for his dissidence in 2009 by a president who is a staunch supporter of Israeli policy. [See rancourt.academicfreedom.ca (external - login to view)]

Good to see the unbiased opinions that you rely on to support your already clear decision on the State of Isreal. Really.
 
Unforgiven
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

I'm afraid I'll need surgery before I can take Noam Chomsky seriously.

A frontal lobotomy, to be exact.

A Michael Moore for the intellectual set.

Your terms are accepted. Where can we meet and get this done?
 
Goober
Free Thinker
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by UnforgivenView Post

Your terms are accepted. Where can we meet and get this done?

So Choamsky is reputable???
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

So Choamsky is reputable???

A whole lot more reputable that any of our political leaders. But I realize that the conservatives in the crowd can't handle an intelligent socialist thinker. Most of what he has to say sails over their heads with the greatest of ease.
Conservatives remind me of the old Canada Tired Xmas commercials with Scrooge clutching his money saying, "Mine! Mine, mine, mine!" Well it is worthless shyte so you can keep it. I would rather teach a man to fish.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

A whole lot more reputable that any of our political leaders. But I realize that the conservatives in the crowd can't handle an intelligent socialist thinker. Most of what he has to say sails over their heads with the greatest of ease.
Conservatives remind me of the old Canada Tired Xmas commercials with Scrooge clutching his money saying, "Mine! Mine, mine, mine!" Well it is worthless shyte so you can keep it. I would rather teach a man to fish.

So in your opinion Choamsky is an impartial person? Yes or no would suffice.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
+1
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

So in your opinion Choamsky is an impartial person? Yes or no would suffice.

Silly question. Do you know anybody who is impartial? Of course he is slanted, but he is well researched and intelligent, something most political pundits aren't and certainly most people who put any importance to politics. I like his ideas but he is not radical enough for me.
 
Unforgiven
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

So Choamsky is reputable???

Yes I would agree that you could say Chomsky is reputable.
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#21
Three Things About Islam

httpwwwyoutubecom80watchvIb9rofXQl6wampfeatureplayerembedded

 
eh1eh
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post

Three Things About Islam

httpwwwyoutubecom80watchvIb9rofXQl6wampfeatureplayerembedded

Yes. No surprises there. If they all actually thought that way I would advocate extermination of everyone who was Muslim.
Alas, I know a few Muslims and I just don't get that from them.
Oh, and really. I would also advocate extermination of all Christians and Jews for the same reasons.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Good to see the unbiased opinions that you rely on to support your already clear decision on the State of Isreal. Really.


A plea for the unbiased position! That's rich coming from you. Care to exercise no bias is a position taken very early in examination. Sixty years later a little action is in order. You are living in the past, this is tomorrow, the trial period is over, please step onto the little hatch under the rope. It has been a very long time since I exercised a non bias disinterest with respect to that foaming mad dog israel.
 
weaselwords
No Party Affiliation
#24
Everything would have been so much simpler if the Palestinians had accepted the 1948 partition when Israel did. Instead we have constant state of militariism on both sides trying to correct precieved wrongs. Go ahead and blame the Zionists for wanting to protect Israel. But at the same time blame the Palestinians for their intransigence, their inability to speak with one voice and their indiscriminate violence. There is more than enough guilt to spread around.
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post

Three Things About Islam

httpwwwyoutubecom80watchvIb9rofXQl6wampfeatureplayerembedded

This was already debunked as a propaganda piece.

Also, Chomsky is a bit heavy handed in his prose, but his analysis is usually bang-on when it comes to foreign affairs. He was on top of the Nicaragua mess and I always get a kick out of his overview of Italy's U.S.-backed fascism while Mussolini was in power.

Anyway, I wouldn't put too much stock in critics who bend over to suck Ezra's ethical jizz.
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

This was already debunked as a propaganda piece.

Of course, by those who oppose it, everything here is pretty much a propaganda piece of some sort.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

A plea for the unbiased position! That's rich coming from you. Care to exercise no bias is a position taken very early in examination. Sixty years later a little action is in order. You are living in the past, this is tomorrow, the trial period is over, please step onto the little hatch under the rope. It has been a very long time since I exercised a non bias disinterest with respect to that foaming mad dog israel.

Mores the pity for you, my friend.

Quote: Originally Posted by UnforgivenView Post

Yes I would agree that you could say Chomsky is reputable.

And I think we both agree what he is reputable for.
 
mentalfloss
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post

Of course, by those who oppose it, everything here is pretty much a propaganda piece of some sort.

No, it's legit propaganda.

Firstly, the idea that previous peaceful passages are abrogated by later passages and that those later statements must be held as literal is not in any way shape or form the methodology by which all muslims live by. That video implies that it is, which is outrightly wrong.

If this was the case, there would not be so many different sects of the religion. The reason why there are so many sects is coincidentally what the author of that video says 'westerners' believe wrongly based on their own religions. It is due precisely by virtue of the fact that there are many varying interpretations of the Qur'an that all of those sects exist to begin with!

Quote:

Literalism has been a source of disagreement within the Muslim community for centuries, with the debate over it continuing today. In the past many prominent Islamic scholars such as Ibn Taymiyyah (external - login to view) and Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab (external - login to view) were proponents of it, in addition to modern day scholars such as Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz (external - login to view). It has been a primary area of contention between Shi'as (external - login to view) and many Sunnis (external - login to view), especially proponents of Salafism (external - login to view).[citation needed (external - login to view)]

Qur'anic literalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)


Secondly, the assumption that all later contradicting passages are actually the violent and while the original, earlier ones are pacifist is also a huge assumption that is simply not true. The whole 'abrogation' issue is based on the idea that later passages which contradict earlier ones will be the passages used if they are 'better' or based on Allah's will.

This does not mean that they are necessarily violent by any means. That's absolutely ridiculous. In fact, many muslims actually oppose the idea of abrogation because Allah is supposed to be all-wise - and would never need to revise older passages.

The Problem of Abrogation in the Quran (external - login to view)

Lastly, sharia law as a single, organized international conspiracy that all islamists enforced in order to infuse this 'creeping sharia' is unjustified, despite the existence of minor considerations like sharia courts, for instance. That they can operate above existing administrations is patently false, even in muslim nations.

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darkbeaver
Republican
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Mores the pity for you, my friend.

Spare me your pity, it is misplaced this close to the end of Israel. It's exactly as wonderful as a major disease being cured.
 
Skatchie
No Party Affiliation
#30
I really believe Israel is the enemy of the world, as it currently stands. We need to get rid of the Jewish influence on the media in the world, it's bringing us down. Since the holocaust the greatest atrocities in the world have been those committed by the Jews. It really is disgusting how they lack humanity as a culture. I hate to say it but it's true. They need to clean up their ways, and many Jews already are, which is a good thing. Get the Zionists out and quit hiding behind something that happened 70 years ago. Take responsibility for what has happened since which is no better than what happened to them.
 

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