Should Canadian tax payers be funding abortion?

[mikemac]

We've had universal health care long before abortion was legalized here in Canada. With the recent health care bill concerns in the US centered around tax payer funded abortion the question needs to be asked. Should there be tax payer funded abortion here in Canada?

The Canadian law allows a mother to have an abortion in the last trimester, even the day before the baby is born. This certainly is not health care for the unborn child. The mother may have physical problems after the abortion. A lot have emotional scars that last for years. This is not health care. Even some fathers have emotional problems after the fact.

Statistics show that there were 100,763 abortions performed in Canada in 2004 with only 6% due to health problems and only 1% because of rape or incest (source). These numbers do not include any abortions performed in the Manitoba abortion clinic as it did not release data to Statistics Canada.

So over 94,000 (93%) of these abortions were performed for convenience. A form of contraception. This clearly is not health care. And it is putting pressure on our health care system.

Unborn babies deserve human rights in Canada too.

Do you want to be amazed? Then watch this short video to see an unborn baby stretch, suck it's thumb, bounce, rub it's shoulder, scratch, open it's eyes, yawn, pout, stick it's tongue out and smile.

YouTube - 4D Ultrasound

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[JLM]

Tubal pregnancies yes, most others, definitely no.

 

[lone wolf]

I think it would end up costing Healthcare a lot more if abortions are left up to the backstreet guys. I don't agree with abortion - and I'm not likely to have one any time in the future either. Though it might not be right by me, there are a lot more people in the world than just me. In the end, it's between the woman and her conscience.

 

[JLM]

I think it would end up costing Healthcare a lot more if abortions are left up to the backstreet guys. I don't agree with abortion - and I'm not likely to have one any time in the future either. Though it might not be right by me, there are a lot more people in the world than just me. In the end, it's between the woman and her conscience.

Right on.

 

[Kreskin]

Yes they should fund abortions.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Absolutely. This is not the United States. Canada allows women true constitutional equality including the control of their reproductive systems. No woman should be forced to have an abortion, but no woman should be denied one either.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

Tubal pregnancies yes, most others, definitely no.

How can you decide what will cause distress on the mother? A tubal pregnancy - bad - but who are you to say that a woman raped will not be traumatized the rest of her life? Or a young girl who got caught up in the throws of a first love? Or a woman who, because of her upbringing/religion has been 'taught' that she should give birth no matter what it does to her body? Who are you - or I - to decide the fate of these women?/ Women used to die because they gave birth to too many children - and women used to live painfully because THEY gave birth to too many children. Who are ANY of us to decide their fate. If it's wrong, what they do, it's between them and their creator - and I'll gladly add my tax dollar to it- just in case.

 

[JLM]

How can you decide what will cause distress on the mother? A tubal pregnancy - bad - but who are you to say that a woman raped will not be traumatized the rest of her life? Or a young girl who got caught up in the throws of a first love? Or a woman who, because of her upbringing/religion has been 'taught' that she should give birth no matter what it does to her body? Who are you - or I - to decide the fate of these women?/ Women used to die because they gave birth to too many children - and women used to live painfully because THEY gave birth to too many children. Who are ANY of us to decide their fate. If it's wrong, what they do, it's between them and their creator - and I'll gladly add my tax dollar to it- just in case.

I didn't take issue with your opinion, why would you take issue with mine? Last I heard we still have freedom of speech in this country, Besides, I said most. :smile:

 

[Cliffy]

I can't get over the fact that most people who are adamant about prohibiting abortion are men and have no business dictating what a woman can or can't do with her body. Men are just sperm donors and really have no right to tell a woman what to do with an unwanted pregnancy.

Ya got your rocks off. Big deal. Sex is the driving force of human DNA. It is not a moral issue. It is an emotional one and since most men couldn't identify what their emotions are beyond horny and angry, they should mind their own business when it comes to abortion. I advise any woman who is forced to go to term through being coerced or guilted by brow beating by the religious or otherwise self righteous, to drop the kid on their door step and let them raise them.

If someone sets themselves up as judge and jury, they deserve to carry the burden of raising the kids they think should be brought into this world, particularly if they didn't even have the pleasure of assisting in its creation. That would be poetic justice.

 

[JLM]

I can't get over the fact that most people who are adamant about prohibiting abortion are men and have no business dictating what a woman can or can't do with her body. Men are just sperm donors and really have no right to tell a woman what to do with an unwanted pregnancy.

Ya got your rocks off. Big deal. Sex is the driving force of human DNA. It is not a moral issue. It is an emotional one and since most men couldn't identify what their emotions are beyond horny and angry, they should mind their own business when it comes to abortion. I advise any woman who is forced to go to term through being coerced or guilted by brow beating by the religious or otherwise self righteous, to drop the kid on their door step and let them raise them.

If someone sets themselves up as judge and jury, they deserve to carry the burden of raising the kids they think should be brought into this world, particularly if they didn't even have the pleasure of assisting in its creation. That would be poetic justice.

Good response, Cliff.:smile:

 

[Downhome_Woman]

I didn't take issue with your opinion, why would you take issue with mine? Last I heard we still have freedom of speech in this country, Besides, I said most. :smile:

Excuse me but what exact opinion of mine exactly, did you 'previously' not take issue with? This was the first time that I've posted on this particular thread. I never said you couldn't say your peace - and as this is the first time I've posted on this thread I've obviously not had any issue with your 'freedom of speech' so obviously- well I'd say you're confusing me with someone else but since this thread is new, I'd be hard pressed to figure out exactly who - whatever ... either way, I was just giving you my rebuttal to your remarks.

 

[Cliffy]

Good response, Cliff.:smile:

Ya know what I always say, "Abort Pro Lifers!".

I believe all life is sacred, not just human. Part of that sacredness is non interference with another's right to decide what is best for them. If someone asks for my opinion, I will give it. Otherwise, I try to mind my own business.

Oh, I can hear them now - "but what if someone is beating the crap out of another?" I stop them. Give them time to reflect on their transgression. If they continue, call a cop. If the danger is immediate, hog tie the dick.

"But isn't a fetus a human and worthy of our protection?" As long as it is in the womb, it is the mother's responsibility. She is the one who has to live with the consequences of whatever decisions she makes, not me or anybody else.

 

[JLM]

Excuse me but what exact opinion of mine exactly, did you 'previously' not take issue with? This was the first time that I've posted on this particular thread. I never said you couldn't say your peace - and as this is the first time I've posted on this thread I've obviously not had any issue with your 'freedom of speech' so obviously- well I'd say you're confusing me with someone else but since this thread is new, I'd be hard pressed to figure out exactly who - whatever ... either way, I was just giving you my rebuttal to your remarks.

The opinion you just stated.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Should there be tax payer funded abortion here in Canada?

Yes. It's a legitimate medical procedure that ought to be a private decision involving a woman and her physician. It's not something the state needs to regulate to any greater extent than it does any other medical procedure.

 

[gerryh]

you bet....kill the little buggers..... nothin but a major pain the backside for some poor suffering woman...I mean damn, they might get stretch marks....saggy boobs, a MAJOR inconvenience for at least 9 months.....but why stop there. If they do give birth and the little puke turns out to be a major pain in the ass after a year or so.... retroactive abortion..... after all, it's all about the woman.

 

[El Barto]

How can you decide what will cause distress on the mother? A tubal pregnancy - bad - but who are you to say that a woman raped will not be traumatized the rest of her life? Or a young girl who got caught up in the throws of a first love? Or a woman who, because of her upbringing/religion has been 'taught' that she should give birth no matter what it does to her body? Who are you - or I - to decide the fate of these women?/ Women used to die because they gave birth to too many children - and women used to live painfully because THEY gave birth to too many children. Who are ANY of us to decide their fate. If it's wrong, what they do, it's between them and their creator - and I'll gladly add my tax dollar to it- just in case.

I back up this post :canada:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

We've had universal health care long before abortion was legalized here in Canada. With the recent health care bill concerns in the US centered around tax payer funded abortion the question needs to be asked. Should there be tax payer funded abortion here in Canada?

The Canadian law allows a mother to have an abortion in the last trimester, even the day before the baby is born. This certainly is not health care for the unborn child. The mother may have physical problems after the abortion. A lot have emotional scars that last for years. This is not health care. Even some fathers have emotional problems after the fact.

Statistics show that there were 100,763 abortions performed in Canada in 2004 with only 6% due to health problems and only 1% because of rape or incest (source). These numbers do not include any abortions performed in the Manitoba abortion clinic as it did not release data to Statistics Canada.

So over 94,000 (93%) of these abortions were performed for convenience. A form of contraception. This clearly is not health care. And it is putting pressure on our health care system.

Unborn babies deserve human rights in Canada too.

Do you want to be amazed? Then watch this short video to see an unborn baby stretch, suck it's thumb, bounce, rub it's shoulder, scratch, open it's eyes, yawn, pout, stick it's tongue out and smile.

YouTube - 4D Ultrasound

If you believe the time has come for our government to extend full legal protection to every human being from their biological beginnings to natural death then please sign this petition.
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Britain legalized homosexuality in 1965. When I lived in Britain in the 80s, I read debates about homosexuality that took place in 1965. One supporter of legalizing homosexuality gave one reason as to why it should be legalized; it is known to happen in France. So it probably happens in Britain as well, only it is well hidden.

Whereupon one opponent of homosexuality thundered “It may happen in France, but by God, this is England. It does not and will not happen there.”

I thought that was a good response, though coming from a self righteous twit. So here you are advancing the argument that since USA doesn’t pay for abortion, Canada should not pay as well. My response to it is,

It may happen in USA, but by God, this is Canada. It does not and will not happen here.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

If you believe the time has come for our government to extend full legal protection to every human being from their biological beginnings to natural death then please sign this petition.
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So here you are talking about banning all abortions, not just denying government money to pay for abortions. Then why not say so in the first place? Why the smokescreen of government paying for abortion?

Personhood movement is an extreme right wing Fundamentalist Christian movement, which claims that personhood begins at conception, that fetus is a person from the moment of conception. Its agenda is to bring Fundamentalist Christian Theocracy to USA, banning all abortions being the first and an essential step towards it.

Now, I don’t know if you are an American who is trying to bring civilization to us ignorant Canadian savages, or a Canadian who is an American wannabe (we have quite a few of those in this forum), who wants to imitate USA in each and every manner. But you will find that Canada is a hostile ground for any kind of extremism.

The kind of Bible thumping, self righteous moral preaching that goes down so well in USA tends to fall flat in Canada.

 

[Nuggler]

I guess "I think your mother should have had an abortion" was just too rough a post for our tender mods to tolerate.

Idiots.

 

[JLM]

I guess "I think your mother should have had an abortion" was just too rough a post for our tender mods to tolerate.

Idiots.

I think you are missing an important point there, Nuggler, as distasteful to you as a persons post is he has the basic right to state it (read up on Voltaire). I didn't agree with his post either but I don't have any problem with him stating it. The way you responded to it just makes you more ignorant than he is...........:smile: