Boys Only School No Wonder Ontario Is Broke

[Liberalman]

Boys Only School No Wonder Ontario Is Broke


http://www.globaltoronto.com/Ontario+Government+Backs+Idea+Boys+Only+Schools/2129452/story.html

I read this article and really wonder if the province should give the schools back to the towns and cities because the province $ucks when it comes to education.

Mike Harris the guy I despise the most had some good ideas like firing the school trusties when they came up with really stupid ideas.

First it was a school for blacks because the students were dropping out of school at an alarming rate and if they are segregated then they won’t drop out I guess the province must have used a KKK consultant on this one.

Now it’s for the boys to be segregated so they can learn better.

There are three problems here and only if the lame duck Mayor Miller can do just one of these steps so he can leave a real legacy instead of the streetcar fiasco then he will be remembered for positive change

Tell his police chief to do his job or replace him with one that will do the job.

The police have to get rid of the law breaking gangs or change them into good gangs

The Premiere Of Ontario have to give the school trusties a new mandate to help the students and keeping within budget and if they decide to break it then they would be let go.

Every classroom should have a camera so the teacher can teach to maximize education material absorption by the student.

The Ontario government should cancel all segregated schools until the deficit is fixed and the economy is in a more positive position.

 

[Andem]

I think it's a good idea:

The idea is designed to combat a growing disparity between boys and girls' achievement and behaviour. Boys are less likely than girls to meet provincial standards in reading, and account for 78 per cent of suspensions.

I was in a boys only school for a while and it did nothing but good for my education.

Edit: On the Mike Harris note, he was the best Premier Ontario had in the last 50 years. He got them out of the mess the NDP created.

 

[karrie]

Setting up schools for kids who are floundering in the existing ones seems like good practise to me, so long as you can fill the second school. The failure of boys in today's feminized school systems is a well documented fact.

 

[Risus]

McSquinty and his fiberals have the province so deep in debt, I guess he is trying to see how deep they can go. The guy is as clueless as they come. What a moron.

 

[Spade]

"In the first place, God created idiots. That was for practice. Then He created school boards." - Mark Twain

 

[VanIsle]

When I was in grade 7, the school I attended decided it would be a great idea if we had a girls only class and a boys only class. At first it was fun. Then the boys got bored and we got bored and I don't think we even made one full school year before they switched it back to boys and girls.

 

[DavidB]

I don't know if segregated schools are a reason Ontario is broke; it hasn't happened yet. Personally, I think the entire system should be privatized. When people have to pay for a service directly, they give it more attention, and tend to ensure it is operating at higher standards. Right now, the schools are paid by taxes, people don't pay much attention to them other than to treat them as baby-sitting services.

If segregated schools are created, I doubt they will change anything if they are operated under the same criteria as the existing system. I mean, if the existing structure is the problem, and they create new schools with the exact same structure, how is that improving anything? Same bureaucracy, same dumbed-down PC courses that insult your intelligence, same condescending attitudes by teachers, etc. Such a school wouldn't have much credibility to me either and I'd probably brush it off too.

 

[gopher]

There was a project done in California a few years ago about gender segregation in schools but I don't recall all the details about it. Research was conducted by feminist scholars and they learned that when kids were separated by gender, the teachers treated the girls with great solicitude. But they treated the boys with regimentation. The segregation turned out to be a disaster and the project was stopped at once.

 

[L Gilbert]

Wish we could segregate the idiots with antisocial disorders from the normal population. Imagine what it would be like without politicians, school boards, etc.

 

[L Gilbert]

There was a project done in California a few years ago about gender segregation in schools but I don't recall all the details about it. Research was conducted by feminist scholars and they learned that when kids were separated by gender, the teachers treated the girls with great solicitude. But they treated the boys with regimentation. The segregation turned out to be a disaster and the project was stopped at once.

Was it this, Goph? Separate but Equal? Gender Segregation and University Teaching Load Disparities

 

[TenPenny]

I think the school system would work better if we segregated the kids according to ability, not gender.

Put all the 'smart' kids in one stream, all the 'special needs' kids in another, and the 'middle of the road' kids in another. Don't let them mix.

 

[lone wolf]

If we expect our kids to co-operate through life, why segregate them?

 

[taxslave]

The problems started when the bleeding heart socialists took control of the system. First they decided all the "special needs" kids must be integrated into the regular classroom regardless of what these needs are and how they might conflict with regular students. Then they too away awards to the best whether it is in sports or academic on the grounds that it might make the losers feel bad about themselves. Then they took away the teachers right to discipline students and the parents right to discipline their brats. Now they want to segregate based on sex instead of taking the troublemakers out. Always much better to compound your mistakes instead of admitting you were wrong and start over. The most amazing thing is that most teachers keep going along with this nonsense.

 

[TenPenny]

It's not necessarily the teachers; every Dept of Education is staffed with bureaucrats whose mission is to change things. If they don't change the curriculum or structure every couple of years, all the civil servants aren't doing their jobs.

It would be just as well to reduce the bureaucrats at the dept level by about 80%.

 

[VanIsle]

I think the school system would work better if we segregated the kids according to ability, not gender.

Put all the 'smart' kids in one stream, all the 'special needs' kids in another, and the 'middle of the road' kids in another. Don't let them mix.

What a bigot! What a strange and horrible remark. Remarks like that make me so angry I'm glad I'm not in the same room with you. You obviously don't have a clue what it is like to have a special needs person in your life. "Put the dummies with the dummeries" so any of them who may eventually learn "normally" will never have a chance to advance. Have you ever seen a smart kid who was allowed to advance into higher grades. They are social misfits. They have no peer group. There isn't enough "smart" kids to put in one stream so that is what they would become - social misfits. Why do you think children like my grandson are mixed with the other kids? He's there to try to learn normal skills. One day he will have to survive on his own. Having him in the class - in the whole school in fact - teaches those "smart" kids how to deal with people like him. How to be kind and helpful to people like him and not look down on him. He is a wonderful little boy who loves people. He's in a grade 6 modified program but one day he will catch up. Each year we see him progressing faster and faster. Stuck in a room like you would have him, he would not advance at all. I hope you are not on a school board.:angryfire:
Look what happened when the native people were segregated. Nothing but problems. We all live in this same country and all deserve equal rights.

 

[VanIsle]

If we expect our kids to co-operate through life, why segregate them?

Thank you. Good comment.:smile:

 

[TenPenny]

What a bigot! What a strange and horrible remark. Remarks like that make me so angry I'm glad I'm not in the same room with you. You obviously don't have a clue what it is like to have a special needs person in your life. "Put the dummies with the dummeries" so any of them who may eventually learn "normally" will never have a chance to advance. Have you ever seen a smart kid who was allowed to advance into higher grades. They are social misfits. They have no peer group. There isn't enough "smart" kids to put in one stream so that is what they would become - social misfits. Why do you think children like my grandson are mixed with the other kids? He's there to try to learn normal skills. One day he will have to survive on his own. Having him in the class - in the whole school in fact - teaches those "smart" kids how to deal with people like him. How to be kind and helpful to people like him and not look down on him. He is a wonderful little boy who loves people. He's in a grade 6 modified program but one day he will catch up. Each year we see him progressing faster and faster. Stuck in a room like you would have him, he would not advance at all. I hope you are not on a school board.:angryfire:
Look what happened when the native people were segregated. Nothing but problems. We all live in this same country and all deserve equal rights.

You need to take a deep breath, I think you've blown a gasket.

Discriminating on the grounds of intellectual abitilies is not acceptable, but discriminating on the grounds of gender is?

Is that your point, after slagging me without even bothering to think about what my point was?

 

[Risus]

What a bigot! What a strange and horrible remark. Remarks like that make me so angry I'm glad I'm not in the same room with you. You obviously don't have a clue what it is like to have a special needs person in your life. "Put the dummies with the dummeries" so any of them who may eventually learn "normally" will never have a chance to advance. Have you ever seen a smart kid who was allowed to advance into higher grades. They are social misfits. They have no peer group. There isn't enough "smart" kids to put in one stream so that is what they would become - social misfits. Why do you think children like my grandson are mixed with the other kids? He's there to try to learn normal skills. One day he will have to survive on his own. Having him in the class - in the whole school in fact - teaches those "smart" kids how to deal with people like him. How to be kind and helpful to people like him and not look down on him. He is a wonderful little boy who loves people. He's in a grade 6 modified program but one day he will catch up. Each year we see him progressing faster and faster. Stuck in a room like you would have him, he would not advance at all. I hope you are not on a school board.:angryfire:
Look what happened when the native people were segregated. Nothing but problems. We all live in this same country and all deserve equal rights.

No, he is correct. The 'special needs' kids hold back the test of the class. Nothing bigotted about that. Its a fact.

 

[Risus]

Thank you. Good comment.:smile:

There is no reason 'nerds' should have to hang around 'gang members'...

 

[TenPenny]

There is no reason 'nerds' should have to hang around 'gang members'...

Yes, there is. In Canadian society, we do not want anyone to do any better at anything than average, so it's essential that we hold everyone back so that nobody's feelings are hurt.