#91
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009
Not to mention that free movement of labour can help international relations too.
Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Bloc Québécois
#92
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
And income tax custs would allow companies to develop that. They wont' do it till the pressure is on. BC is on the right track with this. If we did this, I can guarantee many would dump their hummers for bicycles.
Good point! Now that I think of it, I really ought to consider not taking my tractor-trailer when I drive 3 blocks to buy some gum. I'd better make a note of that (*note to self: drive to staples to get note pads).
As far as BC is concerned, I don't believe that the average consumer has changed their habits one bit.... Seems to me that this grandiose idea is just another money grab after all... But at least the good people of BC can take some comfort in the notion that it's going towards - ummmm - exactly what is it going towards again?
#93
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009
Actually, it's not a tax increase, but a revenue neutral tax shift, meaning that overall taxes are the same. If you use less gas, you pay less tax.
#94
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009
And if you use more gas, you pay more tax.
Conservative
#95
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009
Summer elections? Bring it on!
Those who are young, on vacation, ALL union members, and those who just simply could not separeate themselves from the beer fridge and the BBQ, are not going to vote, anyways.
Those who are young, on vacation, ALL union members, and those who just simply could not separeate themselves from the beer fridge and the BBQ, are not going to vote, anyways.
Bloc Québécois
#96
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
Actually, it's not a tax increase, but a revenue neutral tax shift, meaning that overall taxes are the same. If you use less gas, you pay less tax.
Dion tried that revenue neutral tax shift nonsense. That's like saying that if you don't buy gas it isn't taxed at all.
#97
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009
It's taxed. But while ou don't have a choice to earn an income, you do have a choice as to how much gas to consume.
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#98
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
If I were Chretien, I would have simply boosted the enforement of the existing gun laws. The gun registry was turned into a $2 billion+ farce.I'll admit that I don't know enough about them and the possible consequences of changing them, etc. So I'll defer to your wisdom on that one. I would say though that the ownership of a functional weapon should be allowed only to those for whim it is essential, and they must declare in writing that it is, and howso. Though I would be open to a wide interpretation of this, including hunting for food, certain sports for which a weapon is required, etc. And of course for gun collectors, a simple solution would be to make it non-functional by removing the firing mechanism, etc. As to how to organize it, though, I'd have to learn more about it.
And certainly, any costs associated with it should be made user pay.
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I agree about the waste of money concerning Canadian French. Um, the UK is being overrun by Muslims. Teaching another language to people like me would be a waste of time and money. Teaching another language to bi- and multilingual people may pay in the long run but it'll be a loooooooooooooooong run.According to Francois Grin of the University of Geneva in 2005, his research concluded that the EU was subsidizing the British economy from 17 to 18 thousand million euros a year in second-language teaching alone, and that it could save over 25 thousand million euros per year in second-language teaching alone if it should switch to an easier language. Additionally, in 2001 another study found that only about 6%of Western Europeans could accurately translate commonEnglish sentences into their languages. The UN general Assembly spends about 12 million US dollars a year on translation and interpretation for the General Assembly meetings alone, not including all other functions of the UN. According to another expert in aeronautical communication, about 15% of aircrashes are caused by simple miscommunication. And in 2006, StatsCan indicated that only about 45% of Quebecers are functional in English, and that's based on self-assessment, so it might even be lower. English is fine for the elites. For the rest, it's a big waste of money.
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I'd be happy using Eurobucks. Not so happy using Yen (denominations are outlandish). Greenbacks are boring. What's NATO?
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I like the idea as long as the denominations aren't ludicrous and the currency has color.Euros I could accept since they're international. Yen woould be imposing another country's currency on us. Or we could even create a new one. Either way, the goal is to have one less currency on the world market.
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hhhmmm Mercenary-ism. Interesting idea. The US does it, too.I was watching a video on Youtube today. It was interesting that one profesor mentioned that many of the Taliban are so because they're paid pennies a day for it. He'd sugggested just out-bidding the Taliban for these guys! Ah capitalism, gotta love it.
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Nope. I am sure that Omar Bebahd doesn't have any plans to be one when he's 15 years old either. But then apparently it is not that hard to deluge him in propaganda to turn him into one.All it would take is a few cells in each country to subvert people into doing nasties. Oh, wait we have that now. Lets add to it by sending lots of people freely about the planet to be subverted.As for terrorism, my point is that there is always a reason. A person doesn't just wake up one morning and decides to be a terrorist. besides, this is what airport and port security is for. And if we give the rest of the world more work opportunities... hmmm.... maybe they'd appreciate it and we'd have fewer terrorists? One possible control would be to require those entering the country to know the local language so as to save on translation costs.
lol You sure are stuck on the language thingy, aren't you? (Not a criticism, just an observation)
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Awesome. I like to open myself to all human possibilitis, and not limit myself to Gramscian common sense.
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#99
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan
2010 Olys. Remember? lolGood point! Now that I think of it, I really ought to consider not taking my tractor-trailer when I drive 3 blocks to buy some gum. I'd better make a note of that (*note to self: drive to staples to get note pads).
As far as BC is concerned, I don't believe that the average consumer has changed their habits one bit.... Seems to me that this grandiose idea is just another money grab after all... But at least the good people of BC can take some comfort in the notion that it's going towards - ummmm - exactly what is it going towards again?
No Party Affiliation
#100
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan
For one thing, Mulroney was in for nine years. He could have cut the size of the government through attrition without laying off anyone. Chretien eliminated the deficit in a couple years. Why couldn't lyin brian? All I know is that the Liberals handed Harper a ten billion dollar surplus. What did Harper do? He cut corporate taxes, cut the GST, He spent the surplus, and now the government is running on deficit financing and Flaherty is building debt but we don't know how much. Any time a finance minister can't tell us how much the debt is, that minister should be fired.You're in waaayyyy over your head juan. Sadly, you refuse to see any of these issues from an objective stand-point but insist on toe-ing the party-line.
The worst thing that Mulroney could have done is to reduce the size of gvt and lay-off (potentially) 1/2 of the gvt employees which would equate to approx 25% of the work force (directly/indirectly employed by gvt) only to pay them through EI or welfare.... Not a real good idea.
As for your curiosity about the debt increase, how the hell should I know.... But you see, I don't claim to have all the answers whereas you make quite a show about condemning Harper/Flaherty as if you have the answers.. So, what is it? What should we be doing - what would the liberals do that is so blindingly obvious?
I'm guessing that once again, you'll evade the question by attempting to deflect the focus.
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#101
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009
It's a tough call, especially in economic downturns to balance the budget (without victimising the elderly and students all the while doling out goodies to rich buddies like Martin did while Chretien was in the PMO, as I pointed out many times to people who can't seem to get that through their heads and still idolize the scumbags). As I also pointed out, Harpy did continue rolling the debt clock backwards until this economic mess happened. Given the choice between reducing the overall debt and adding some to the yearly deficit, I'd continue to pay off the debt thereby reducing the amount of interest wasted on the debt.
I don't give a hoot WHO is in the PMO; if the world's economy heads for the crapper, Canada will be heading there, too.
I don't give a hoot WHO is in the PMO; if the world's economy heads for the crapper, Canada will be heading there, too.
#102
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
But any forward-looking MP should be looking to the future. We all know that we have economic cycles now and then. Any respensible politician would have saved to prepare for this crash. Where did that surplus the Liberals had go to? It coud have come mighty handy now, don't you think?It's a tough call, especially in economic downturns to balance the budget (without victimising the elderly and students all the while doling out goodies to rich buddies like Martin did while Chretien was in the PMO, as I pointed out many times to people who can't seem to get that through their heads and still idolize the scumbags). As I also pointed out, Harpy did continue rolling the debt clock backwards until this economic mess happened. Given the choice between reducing the overall debt and adding some to the yearly deficit, I'd continue to pay off the debt thereby reducing the amount of interest wasted on the debt.
I don't give a hoot WHO is in the PMO; if the world's economy heads for the crapper, Canada will be heading there, too.
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#103
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009
Perhaps some of that surplus went back to refurbishing the damage that Martin did to seniors programs and calming the students down and things like that. I also remember several polls asking what people would do with the surplus. The results were that most people wanted more debt to be paid off. I would imagine that a lot of dangerous and antique military equipment was scrapped or refurbished, too, after decades of being ignored (mostly by liberal gov'ts). That's just off the top of my head, though.
(Any "forward-looking MP" will only look forward to the next election, no further).
(Any "forward-looking MP" will only look forward to the next election, no further).
#104
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009
A responsible MP should always be looking at 15-70 years down the road, not to the next election. But again, it's the voters fault cause we vote that way.
As for the military, if we shared a military force with another country or countries, that would remove alot of top-heavy military bureaucracy, saving much money that could then be rediverted to that kind of equipment.
As for the military, if we shared a military force with another country or countries, that would remove alot of top-heavy military bureaucracy, saving much money that could then be rediverted to that kind of equipment.
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#105
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
Not solely. Many other countries manage to look further into the future than we do. Besides, we have little choice because of the electoral system. FPTP is archaic nonsense. It is NOT very representative, especially in a country like Canada where people vary widely from region to region. What similarities are there between people of the prairies and the people of Newfoundland, for instance? Or between Yukon people and Ontarians?A responsible MP should always be looking at 15-70 years down the road, not to the next election. But again, it's the voters fault cause we vote that way.
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Possibly. The States would want to run it, though, and a lot of squawking would ensue, but it'd get its way.As for the military, if we shared a military force with another country or countries, that would remove alot of top-heavy military bureaucracy, saving much money that could then be rediverted to that kind of equipment.
#106
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
Either that or go non-partisan, independent candidates only.Not solely. Many other countries manage to look further into the future than we do. Besides, we have little choice because of the electoral system. FPTP is archaic nonsense. It is NOT very representative, especially in a country like Canada where people vary widely from region to region. What similarities are there between people of the prairies and the people of Newfoundland, for instance? Or between Yukon people and Ontarians?
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Canada could choose which countries to share with based on a fair agreement. If the US should choose not to play the game, fine. We move on and see if another country might be interested. Once the US sees how much money other countries are saving from this and how much it's holding the US economy back on the world stage, the US would soon change its toon and start looking for something mroe reasonable too.Possibly. The States would want to run it, though, and a lot of squawking would ensue, but it'd get its way.
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#107
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009
For one thing, Mulroney was in for nine years.
Juan, in Canada the PM has absolute power, he can do pretty much anything he wants. Mulroney could have repealed the law of gravity, had he wished.
He could have cut the size of the government through attrition without laying off anyone. Chrétien eliminated the deficit in a couple years.
Mulroney didn’t have the will, Chrétien had the will (personally I think Martin was the main motivating force behind balancing the budget).
Any time a finance minister can't tell us how much the debt is, that minister should be fired.
When he was the finance minister in Ontario, he couldn’t tell us how much was the deficit. He claimed (during Ontario election campaign) that it was 2 billion $, while in fact it turned out to be 6 billion $. Why should now be any different? Just because he changed his office from Toronto to Ottawa doesn’t mean that he gained any wisdom along the way.
Juan, in Canada the PM has absolute power, he can do pretty much anything he wants. Mulroney could have repealed the law of gravity, had he wished.
He could have cut the size of the government through attrition without laying off anyone. Chrétien eliminated the deficit in a couple years.
Mulroney didn’t have the will, Chrétien had the will (personally I think Martin was the main motivating force behind balancing the budget).
Any time a finance minister can't tell us how much the debt is, that minister should be fired.
When he was the finance minister in Ontario, he couldn’t tell us how much was the deficit. He claimed (during Ontario election campaign) that it was 2 billion $, while in fact it turned out to be 6 billion $. Why should now be any different? Just because he changed his office from Toronto to Ottawa doesn’t mean that he gained any wisdom along the way.
#108
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009
The Pm has the power of an MP plus whatever power other Mp's choose to give him. Since we vote for parties, however, it becomes in MPs interests to give the Pm that power.
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#109
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by pegger
I'm inclined to agree- let businesses succeed/fail on their own merits. I remember the days (late 50s) when there were more Chevs and Pontiacs on the road than all the other cars put together. (At least that was someone's claim)re: auto sector bailout - this bailout was to specific companies - not the SECTOR.
I don't believe that iff GM or Chryslar were allowed to fail, there would not have been mass layoffs. Someone would have bought the factories (Ford, VW, maybe even Magna?), etc... at bargin prices, and someone else would have built cars. The demand for cars is still there.
The whole "auto sector bailout" was a scam, and a waste of money.
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#110
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009
Repealed the law of gravity? What an inane comment.
Anyway, I think it's best if a PM would never mind about the rest of the planet so much and do things to fix the crap here. So far, none since before Turdeau have done a decent job.
Anyway, I think it's best if a PM would never mind about the rest of the planet so much and do things to fix the crap here. So far, none since before Turdeau have done a decent job.
#111
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009
Though co-operating with the rest of the planet in sharing services to reduce administrative redundancies could save us alot of money.
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#112
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
It's what's known as "poetic license".Repealed the law of gravity? What an inane comment.
Anyway, I think it's best if a PM would never mind about the rest of the planet so much and do things to fix the crap here. So far, none since before Turdeau have done a decent job.
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#113
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009
Or political license. lol
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#114
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
Since when do those bastards need a license?Or political license. lol
#115
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
Hey, keep their parents out of this debate.Since when do those bastards need a license?
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#116
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009
Who said they actually had parents? I think at least some of them are results of cultures (not the sociological type either. I'm speaking of lab cultures).
#117
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
They fell from the sky?Who said they actually had parents? I think at least some of them are results of cultures (not the sociological type either. I'm speaking of lab cultures).
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#118
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009
Lab cultures are usually grown from some fungus or other I think, but perhaps a few are a bit alien to solid ground.
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#119
Re: Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
Jun 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
When Chretien took power the country was broke. We were in debt up to our ears and Kim Campbel handed Chretien a forty odd billion dollar deficit. If we don't have the money we have to lose some of the services. That is simple math. The interest on the debt was taking a sizable chunk out of the budget. What did Mulroney do for our military?Perhaps some of that surplus went back to refurbishing the damage that Martin did to seniors programs and calming the students down and things like that. I also remember several polls asking what people would do with the surplus. The results were that most people wanted more debt to be paid off. I would imagine that a lot of dangerous and antique military equipment was scrapped or refurbished, too, after decades of being ignored (mostly by liberal gov'ts). That's just off the top of my head, though.
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