NDP blocking reforms of young offenders laws: B.C. attorney general

Ron in Regina

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NDP blocking reforms of young offenders laws: B.C. attorney general

Last Updated: Thursday, February 5, 2009 | 8:42 AM PT
Source: NDP blocking reforms of young offenders laws: B.C. attorney general

B.C.'s Attorney General Wally Oppal says the NDP needs to stop demanding tougher laws for young offenders and then standing in the way of the legal reforms.

Oppal cited the case of a 13-year-old arrested in Vancouver earlier this week for allegedly slashing a man with a knife on the SkyTrain because the man refused to give him a cigarette.

Police say the teen has had 75 run-ins with the authorities in the past year but can't be held in police custody while awaiting trial because he is too young.

New Democrat MLA Mike Farnworth criticized the B.C. government, saying it's the sort of case that makes people lose patience with the justice system,
Farnworth said B.C.'s attorney general should urge the federal government to toughen the laws dealing with young offenders.

"I find it really disturbing that a 13-year-old can have 75 run-ins with the police, and clearly, red flags aren't being raised," he said.

But Oppal told CBC News Wednesday that B.C.'s Liberal government has repeatedly urged the federal government to amend the law so judges can keep young suspects in custody pending trial, but the federal NDP MPs have opposed the changes.
"You know, the only resistance we've had from that has been from the federal NDP, who constantly oppose any toughening of the youth criminal justice act," said Oppal.

All federal opposition parties opposed changes

In November 2007, the Conservaties proposed changes to the Youth Justice Act that would give judges more power to detain young people considered a danger to the public and impose longer sentences for violent crimes.

At the time, MP Joe Comartin, the NDP's justice critic, told the CBC that he was skeptical of the proposed changes.

"Denunciation doesn't work," he said. "We know that from any number of studies done around the globe."

Deterrence is not a principle that's viable either, he said, adding that if the Tories really wanted to do something, they'd be looking at prevention, putting more police officers on the streets and more programs in place.

But the federal NDP is not the only party on record opposing reforms of the Youth Justice Act.

During the September 2008 election campaign, the Conservatives once again promised to change the Youth Justice Act. Both the Liberal and Bloc Québécois leaders said they opposed the idea.

Liberals said the Conservative proposal won't make Canada safer and compared it to attempts in several U.S. states to impose harsher sentences for young people that they claim failed to reduce crime rates.

"It's the wrong approach," then Liberal leader Stéphane Dion said at the time.
Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe also decried the Tory plan.

"This is the Republican way of the United States: more people in prison, more arms in circulation," Duceppe said. "I don't want to live in that society."

Unlike the NDP, the B.C. Liberals and federal Liberal Party are not part of the same political organization.
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Isn't "Mike Farnworth" the same zipperhead that has issues with body armour,
and not the people shooting at the people wearing body armour? 8O8O8O
 

Ron in Regina

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Isn't "Mike Farnworth" the same zipperhead that has issues with body armour,
and not the people shooting at the people wearing body armour? 8O8O8O


I just checked. this "Mike Farnworth" in the article above IS the same
guy that has issues with body armour, and not the people shooting at the
people wearing body armour? What a wingnut media-*****...:cool:
 

lone wolf

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Confusion rises in Young Offenders Act (federal) Youth Justice Act (provincial) and the debate between BC justice and federal NDP obstinacy. A closer read cleared it up (well ... as clear as anything of bureaucracy gets)
 

taxslave

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This has always been the problem. The do-gooders, who are mostly Dippers or even farther out in left field have rose tinted glasses and think that everyone is good. Some just strayed a little and if you point out the error of their ways they will get rose coloured glasses too. The best of intentions will not work when you are dealing with people with no conscience no morals and NO RESPECT. As a result there are thousands of repeats that cost us money but keep social workers employed.I fully support harsher sentences, jail until trial for serious crimes no time off for good behavior and making prison a place to avoid, not a country club. And more to the point honest law abiding taxpayers should not have to be wary of walking down any street.
 

Scott Free

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What!?! Canadians want to join the likes of the USA, Iran and China and have children in prison!!!!!!!?

Whatever, it won't get my support.

I am in opposition to police states, totalitarianism and communism.
 

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Being an Albertan, I have never heard of anyone saying that all NDP were ever caught with any brain cells in their heads. I have heard, that all NDP’ers are just a Liberal with the brains knocked out their heads.





 

Francis2004

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NDP blocking reforms of young offenders laws: B.C. attorney general

Last Updated: Thursday, February 5, 2009 | 8:42 AM PT
Source: NDP blocking reforms of young offenders laws: B.C. attorney general

B.C.'s Attorney General Wally Oppal says the NDP needs to stop demanding tougher laws for young offenders and then standing in the way of the legal reforms.

Oppal cited the case of a 13-year-old arrested in Vancouver earlier this week for allegedly slashing a man with a knife on the SkyTrain because the man refused to give him a cigarette.

Police say the teen has had 75 run-ins with the authorities in the past year but can't be held in police custody while awaiting trial because he is too young.

New Democrat MLA Mike Farnworth criticized the B.C. government, saying it's the sort of case that makes people lose patience with the justice system,
Farnworth said B.C.'s attorney general should urge the federal government to toughen the laws dealing with young offenders.

"I find it really disturbing that a 13-year-old can have 75 run-ins with the police, and clearly, red flags aren't being raised," he said.

But Oppal told CBC News Wednesday that B.C.'s Liberal government has repeatedly urged the federal government to amend the law so judges can keep young suspects in custody pending trial, but the federal NDP MPs have opposed the changes.
"You know, the only resistance we've had from that has been from the federal NDP, who constantly oppose any toughening of the youth criminal justice act," said Oppal.

All federal opposition parties opposed changes

In November 2007, the Conservaties proposed changes to the Youth Justice Act that would give judges more power to detain young people considered a danger to the public and impose longer sentences for violent crimes.

At the time, MP Joe Comartin, the NDP's justice critic, told the CBC that he was skeptical of the proposed changes.

"Denunciation doesn't work," he said. "We know that from any number of studies done around the globe."

Deterrence is not a principle that's viable either, he said, adding that if the Tories really wanted to do something, they'd be looking at prevention, putting more police officers on the streets and more programs in place.

But the federal NDP is not the only party on record opposing reforms of the Youth Justice Act.

During the September 2008 election campaign, the Conservatives once again promised to change the Youth Justice Act. Both the Liberal and Bloc Québécois leaders said they opposed the idea.

Liberals said the Conservative proposal won't make Canada safer and compared it to attempts in several U.S. states to impose harsher sentences for young people that they claim failed to reduce crime rates.

"It's the wrong approach," then Liberal leader Stéphane Dion said at the time.
Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe also decried the Tory plan.

"This is the Republican way of the United States: more people in prison, more arms in circulation," Duceppe said. "I don't want to live in that society."

Unlike the NDP, the B.C. Liberals and federal Liberal Party are not part of the same political organization.
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Isn't "Mike Farnworth" the same zipperhead that has issues with body armour,
and not the people shooting at the people wearing body armour? 8O8O8O

Ron, I appreciate your concern about youth violence and the Young Offenders act but lets be realistic here.. Barring the NDP, many of the legislation to toughen the YOA would have passed if Harper had not been so stubborn in pushing thru the whole package or nothing in one shot.

This is an extremely complicated topic..

The Liberals and Bloc would have passed 1/2 if not 3/4 of the changes. You got the remember that many of not Liberals / Bloc have the same concerns in the change in society that everyone else has with the younger kids involvement in gangs. But Jail time in Kid / Adult centres is not the solution to make kids even better criminal ( the best criminal school we have ) and that alternatives to punishments have to be suggested as well as education, sports and community programs for inner city kids.

Again, people of middle to higher income backgrounds don't see or think of the tough life these kids live in. Daily family beatings and drug abuse. Not excuse for thier actions but if we don't offer alternatives we will only fill up institutions as they have done in the US..

This does not mean a kid with 75 serious infractions should be on the streets and it should have been addressed a long time before 75 infractions..
 

missile

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We need a better solution for these uberviolent youth. Might I suggest a longterm stint in the Armed Forces overseas in a war zone? At least,they might possibly be of some use to society then.
 

taxslave

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We need a better solution for these uberviolent youth. Might I suggest a longterm stint in the Armed Forces overseas in a war zone? At least,they might possibly be of some use to society then.

That has been recommended many times in the past. The do gooder socialists always fight any suggestions like this that are simple and make sense. Apparently they have a charter right to steal and destroy. Mostly because there is no place for all the unionized government social workers, although I would be inclined to send them as well.