Super Genius
Posts: 1,378 
Location: Southern Ontario
Location: Southern Ontario
April 24th, 2008, 08:26 AM
Forces paid for friendly-fire deaths, files show
Afghan families got up to $9,000 each for losing a family member – but without any admission of liability from Canada.
OTTAWA — On a single day in the summer of 2006, the Canadian Forces were involved in at least half a dozen instances of "friendly fire" that left two Afghans dead and four injured. The Forces ended up paying about $35,000 in compensation, even though it admitted no liability for the deaths. Documents obtained by The Globe and Mail through access-to-information legislation show more than 30 instances since January of 2006 where the Canadian Forces compensated Afghan citizens for everything from lost cellphones to the accidental killing of relatives by Canadian soldiers. The military labeled the vast majority of the payments "ex gratia," meaning they were made voluntarily and with no admission of liability.
Enlarge Image Captain Kent MacRae leads a sheep down an Afghan street. The sheep was one of several items given to a Kandahar family in compensation for their son’s killing by coalition troops. (DND/The Canadian Press)
Read the full article here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...ghanistan/home
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At least responsibility is being acknowledged and a tiny compensation paid. I guess a thousand dollars is half a fortune in Afghanistan.
Forces paid for friendly-fire deaths, files show
Afghan families got up to $9,000 each for losing a family member – but without any admission of liability from Canada.
OTTAWA — On a single day in the summer of 2006, the Canadian Forces were involved in at least half a dozen instances of "friendly fire" that left two Afghans dead and four injured. The Forces ended up paying about $35,000 in compensation, even though it admitted no liability for the deaths. Documents obtained by The Globe and Mail through access-to-information legislation show more than 30 instances since January of 2006 where the Canadian Forces compensated Afghan citizens for everything from lost cellphones to the accidental killing of relatives by Canadian soldiers. The military labeled the vast majority of the payments "ex gratia," meaning they were made voluntarily and with no admission of liability.
Enlarge Image Captain Kent MacRae leads a sheep down an Afghan street. The sheep was one of several items given to a Kandahar family in compensation for their son’s killing by coalition troops. (DND/The Canadian Press)
Read the full article here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...ghanistan/home
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At least responsibility is being acknowledged and a tiny compensation paid. I guess a thousand dollars is half a fortune in Afghanistan.
Mass'Debater
Posts: 2,039
Location: Atlantic Canada
Location: Atlantic Canada
April 24th, 2008, 08:36 AM
I wonder what happened to those soldiers gunned down by that A-10?
I am currently in the process of reading a book called "Outside the Wire"
It has various letters or interviews from some of the Canadian soldiers over there in Afghanistan. The first part of the book was filled in by one of the soldiers who was hit by the A-10 and is currently back home with his family, and I'm just getting into the next part which is a list of emails/letters sent back home from the first female Canadian soldier who was killed over there, which were submitted with her family's approval.
It's a good read, I'd suggest it to anybody who is interested in what's going on over there. This thread kinda reminded me of this book in regards to the FF incident in the first part of the book.
I wonder what happened to those soldiers gunned down by that A-10?
I am currently in the process of reading a book called "Outside the Wire"
It has various letters or interviews from some of the Canadian soldiers over there in Afghanistan. The first part of the book was filled in by one of the soldiers who was hit by the A-10 and is currently back home with his family, and I'm just getting into the next part which is a list of emails/letters sent back home from the first female Canadian soldier who was killed over there, which were submitted with her family's approval.
It's a good read, I'd suggest it to anybody who is interested in what's going on over there. This thread kinda reminded me of this book in regards to the FF incident in the first part of the book.
April 24th, 2008, 08:44 AM
It beats just expecting quiet with no form of compensation whatsoever I'd warrant.
Quoting EagleSmack
Well, well. Looks like the Canadians are using hush money here. Take the money and be quiet.
It beats just expecting quiet with no form of compensation whatsoever I'd warrant.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,378
Location: Southern Ontario
Location: Southern Ontario
April 24th, 2008, 08:51 AM
I remember that beautiful young Lady.... Nicola was her name.
Quoting Praxius
Thanks, Praxi. Sounds like a good and informative book on the subject.
I wonder what happened to those soldiers gunned down by that A-10?
I am currently in the process of reading a book called "Outside the Wire"
It has various letters or interviews from some of the Canadian soldiers over there in Afghanistan. The first part of the book was filled in by one of the soldiers who was hit by the A-10 and is currently back home with his family, and I'm just getting into the next part which is a list of emails/letters sent back home from the first female Canadian soldier who was killed over there, which were submitted with her family's approval.
It's a good read, I'd suggest it to anybody who is interested in what's going on over there. This thread kinda reminded me of this book in regards to the FF incident in the first part of the book.
I am currently in the process of reading a book called "Outside the Wire"
It has various letters or interviews from some of the Canadian soldiers over there in Afghanistan. The first part of the book was filled in by one of the soldiers who was hit by the A-10 and is currently back home with his family, and I'm just getting into the next part which is a list of emails/letters sent back home from the first female Canadian soldier who was killed over there, which were submitted with her family's approval.
It's a good read, I'd suggest it to anybody who is interested in what's going on over there. This thread kinda reminded me of this book in regards to the FF incident in the first part of the book.
I remember that beautiful young Lady.... Nicola was her name.
April 24th, 2008, 08:58 AM
Quoting EagleSmack
When has any military ever admitted guilt for friendly fire incidences, unless blatantly in fault? They tend to consider it a price of war, no?
It is basically a settlement. Canada pays and does not admit guilt. It is a take it of leave it. Eight grand is a lot of money in that place.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,378
Location: Southern Ontario
Location: Southern Ontario
April 24th, 2008, 09:07 AM
Has the US paid anything for the million victims??
Quoting EagleSmack
Hi, Eagle;
Well, well. Looks like the Canadians are using hush money here. Take the money and be quiet.
Has the US paid anything for the million victims??
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,829
Location: USA
Location: USA
April 24th, 2008, 09:48 AM
Yes...every day we pump millions and millions of dollars into these countries. A far cry from 8K per family.
Quoting dancing-loon
A million? Make it a billion.
Hi, Eagle;
Has the US paid anything for the million victims??
Has the US paid anything for the million victims??
Yes...every day we pump millions and millions of dollars into these countries. A far cry from 8K per family.
No party affiliation
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Location: Oshawa
Location: Oshawa
April 24th, 2008, 09:53 AM
Hand slaps and nothing more.
I don't expect more from a country that treats it's veterans like crap.
Quoting dancing-loon
They sure didn't pay when they killed 4 of our soldiers.
Hi, Eagle;
Has the US paid anything for the million victims??
Has the US paid anything for the million victims??
Hand slaps and nothing more.
I don't expect more from a country that treats it's veterans like crap.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,829
Location: USA
Location: USA
April 24th, 2008, 10:12 AM
I am a veteran and I am not treated like crap.
Quoting Avro
And what would you have wanted in payment? You do know it was an accident right? The Canadian soldier that put a bullet into his buddy in a tent in Afghanistan and killed him...was that OK?
They sure didn't pay when they killed 4 of our soldiers.
Hand slaps and nothing more.
I don't expect more from a country that treats it's veterans like crap.
Hand slaps and nothing more.
I don't expect more from a country that treats it's veterans like crap.
I am a veteran and I am not treated like crap.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,378
Location: Southern Ontario
Location: Southern Ontario
April 24th, 2008, 10:43 AM
I know we are a little rough on you, but don't take it personally... we love to have you here on the CC board... I do!! People from other countries are the icing on our discussion cakes! Or the salt in our chicken soup!
feel better now?
Quoting EagleSmack
Aaw you sweet little American.... come here... let me cuddle you
And what would you have wanted in payment? You do know it was an accident right? The Canadian soldier that put a bullet into his buddy in a tent in Afghanistan and killed him...was that OK?
I am a veteran and I am not treated like crap.
I am a veteran and I am not treated like crap.
I know we are a little rough on you, but don't take it personally... we love to have you here on the CC board... I do!! People from other countries are the icing on our discussion cakes! Or the salt in our chicken soup!feel better now? Super Genius
Posts: 1,378
Location: Southern Ontario
Location: Southern Ontario
April 24th, 2008, 10:50 AM
weren't they convicted, or at least had to stand trial? If I remember correctly, it was said that they were under the influence of drugs... drugs to keep them awake and sharp and cocky = uppers. That is nothing unusual, soldiers are handed drugs, if they want them, before they go out for battle or flying. Maybe our soldiers get them, too. I don't know.
Quoting Avro
Hi, Avro;
They sure didn't pay when they killed 4 of our soldiers.
Hand slaps and nothing more.
I don't expect more from a country that treats it's veterans like crap.
Hand slaps and nothing more.
I don't expect more from a country that treats it's veterans like crap.
weren't they convicted, or at least had to stand trial? If I remember correctly, it was said that they were under the influence of drugs... drugs to keep them awake and sharp and cocky = uppers. That is nothing unusual, soldiers are handed drugs, if they want them, before they go out for battle or flying. Maybe our soldiers get them, too. I don't know.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,829
Location: USA
Location: USA
April 24th, 2008, 11:11 AM
I especially like the picture of Captain Kent giving a family a goat in payment for the death of a loved one! A GOAT!
"Sorry we iced your son...please accept this goat on behalf of the people of Canada."
Quoting dancing-loon
I am actually surprised you even posted this article. Seeing this thread start made me very happy. Looks like we aren't the only ones with an itchy finger!
Aaw you sweet little American.... come here... let me cuddle you I know we are a little rough on you, but don't take it personally... we love to have you here on the CC board... I do!! People from other countries are the icing on our discussion cakes! Or the salt in our chicken soup!
feel better now?
I know we are a little rough on you, but don't take it personally... we love to have you here on the CC board... I do!! People from other countries are the icing on our discussion cakes! Or the salt in our chicken soup!feel better now? I especially like the picture of Captain Kent giving a family a goat in payment for the death of a loved one! A GOAT!
"Sorry we iced your son...please accept this goat on behalf of the people of Canada."
Chief Mogrifier
Posts: 8,479
April 24th, 2008, 11:57 AM
Quoting EagleSmack
Hey Eagle....Surely it was a goat as well as $8,000.00.......I wonder where Captain Kent got the goat.....
I am actually surprised you even posted this article. Seeing this thread start made me very happy. Looks like we aren't the only ones with an itchy finger!
I especially like the picture of Captain Kent giving a family a goat in payment for the death of a loved one! A GOAT!
"Sorry we iced your son...please accept this goat on behalf of the people of Canada."
I especially like the picture of Captain Kent giving a family a goat in payment for the death of a loved one! A GOAT!
"Sorry we iced your son...please accept this goat on behalf of the people of Canada."
Chief Mogrifier
Posts: 8,479
April 24th, 2008, 12:26 PM
Quoting I think not
Dopey comment. What it is, is a humanitarian gesture. Certainly better than nothing...
So the price of a human life is now set at $9,000.
Don't bother arguing, I KNOW!
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Location: The Evil Empire
Location: The Evil Empire
April 24th, 2008, 12:29 PM
Quoting #juan
You're right of course, then again you weren't on the receiving end of the check so why would you give a flying phuck how much it is.
Dopey comment. What it is, is a humanitarian gesture. Certainly better than nothing...
