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April 24th, 2008, 03:13 PM
About Lance Corporals... folks always say in the Marines that the Sergeant is the backbone of the Corps. I always said
"Nay Nay...it is the Lance Corporal"
Pvts and PFC's are too few in number...it is the LCPL that gets all the garbage details.
Nevertheless it was fun being a LCPL. You could be one of the guys without being a boot. Once you get that Corporal promotion things change.
Quoting #juan
Laughing my head off. Isn't delivering a goat a form of international communication. You could be right, but maybe the captain just knew the most Afghani words...
About Lance Corporals... folks always say in the Marines that the Sergeant is the backbone of the Corps. I always said
"Nay Nay...it is the Lance Corporal"
Pvts and PFC's are too few in number...it is the LCPL that gets all the garbage details.
Nevertheless it was fun being a LCPL. You could be one of the guys without being a boot. Once you get that Corporal promotion things change.
Chief Mogrifier
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April 24th, 2008, 04:22 PM
In the RCAF, in the fifties and sixties we didn't have lance corporals. Only corporals. In boot camp corporals and sergeants were our Gods.
Pilots in early training were called flight cadets and they were almost as low as a recruit. Once you got your wings, you were a pilot officer, similar to a second Lieutenant If you didn't kill yourself and your body stayed warm, you made Flying officer, first Lieutenant in six months.
In the RCAF, in the fifties and sixties we didn't have lance corporals. Only corporals. In boot camp corporals and sergeants were our Gods.
Pilots in early training were called flight cadets and they were almost as low as a recruit. Once you got your wings, you were a pilot officer, similar to a second Lieutenant If you didn't kill yourself and your body stayed warm, you made Flying officer, first Lieutenant in six months.
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April 24th, 2008, 05:31 PM
BTW, I have no control what my government does, as I am sure you have no control over yours. That doesn't mean I think Canadians are responsible for this shameful decision, but rather those in charge are.
It's a shame really, I was under the impression you were above nationalistic broohaha.
My apologies for my error, I assure you it won't happen again.
Perhaps you need to place yourself in the families position and tell me how $9,000 or a few hundred dollars would seem to you. Somehow I doubt you be "happy" with that.
Quoting karrie
The answer to your first question is never. This is the thrid time however when I point out an "injustice" you automatically spin it to what the US does is worse, so then you must be better, even if we are throwing pennies at the families victims.
When in history have countries ever paid for loss of life in wars ITN? If you want to come on and mock Canada for doing so, then perhaps you ought to be aware that your country does the same. Is it okay? Does it change anything? Perhaps those are the questions to ask rather than the typical, predictable, Canada vs. US tripe.
BTW, I have no control what my government does, as I am sure you have no control over yours. That doesn't mean I think Canadians are responsible for this shameful decision, but rather those in charge are.
It's a shame really, I was under the impression you were above nationalistic broohaha.
My apologies for my error, I assure you it won't happen again.
Quoting karrie
No $0 isn't preferable, but that doesn't mean $9,000 is any better.
You commented that the price of life is now set at $9000. Is it preferable to have it set at 0? To have it set at mere hundreds by discretion of the CO? Is it preferable to hand out cash to people who have nothing to spend it on? Or to return to the house with things that might actually make a difference for them? I know it all seems so distasteful, but, if it's deemed necessary that these wars be fought, then what's the proper, humane way, to deal with the loss of life that results?
Perhaps you need to place yourself in the families position and tell me how $9,000 or a few hundred dollars would seem to you. Somehow I doubt you be "happy" with that.
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April 24th, 2008, 05:34 PM
Quoting Praxius
What I find more amusing is your nationalistic drivel. Actually, it borderlines pathetic.
I Think Not, I find it quite funny that you'd try and poke fun at $9,000 being given to civilians for compensation when Karrie's link claims Iraqi's only get a couple hundred bucks from the US for their actions and have to sign a waiver..... you're sure in a place to be talking about petty compensations.
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April 24th, 2008, 05:40 PM
America the "wonderful" is as guilty as Canada the "merciful".
There was a news release recently which claimed the US paid $4,000 for accidentally killing a 9 year old girl.
Unlike you, I was outraged.
To suggest somehow four thousand, nine thousand or even twenty thousand is enough "compensation" for a human being, and wiping your hands clean and feeling all smug about it, really spins my stomach.
On the other hand, I expect this from you, and Praxius. I admit Karrie caught me off guard.
Oh well, live and learn.
Quoting #juan
Well I don't expect you to get it #juan, but I will give it a shot.
My morals have nothing to do with this. You seem to be chiding us for giving only a measly $9,000.00 per person when America the wonderful seems to give only a few hundred. Of course it should be cheaper when you buy in large quantities.
America the "wonderful" is as guilty as Canada the "merciful".
There was a news release recently which claimed the US paid $4,000 for accidentally killing a 9 year old girl.
Unlike you, I was outraged.
To suggest somehow four thousand, nine thousand or even twenty thousand is enough "compensation" for a human being, and wiping your hands clean and feeling all smug about it, really spins my stomach.
On the other hand, I expect this from you, and Praxius. I admit Karrie caught me off guard.
Oh well, live and learn.
Chief Mogrifier
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April 24th, 2008, 06:14 PM
If I had my way ITN, we wouldn't be there fighting this bloody oil war. The war on terror has long be lost in the murk. For the most part Canada is there at the behest of the U.S. If we have to be there, and in the course of the war we happen to kill civilians who are not trying to kill us and damage their property, surely some recompense is in order. It is not putting a set value on a human life. It is adding a tiny bit of humanitarian aid where it is most needed. Another thought is that though these people did not try to kill us this week, they probably did last week.
If I had my way ITN, we wouldn't be there fighting this bloody oil war. The war on terror has long be lost in the murk. For the most part Canada is there at the behest of the U.S. If we have to be there, and in the course of the war we happen to kill civilians who are not trying to kill us and damage their property, surely some recompense is in order. It is not putting a set value on a human life. It is adding a tiny bit of humanitarian aid where it is most needed. Another thought is that though these people did not try to kill us this week, they probably did last week.
Gobsmacked
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April 24th, 2008, 07:07 PM
well whether you caught my earlier post or not, I was basically asking what would be preferable - and to make it clear here - I'm not in the least interested in tying this issue to a Canadians vs Americans situation. This is about acts of humanity in response to acts of inhumanity.
What, I wonder, would you like see done differently? (barring the obvious preferable choice of stopping the carnage altogether)
Would significantly larger amounts reduce the insult? How much larger? What is right, and what is feasible?
Quoting I think not
On the other hand, I expect this from you, and Praxius. I admit Karrie caught me off guard.
jeeze... I feel a tad left out... On the other hand, I expect this from you, and Praxius. I admit Karrie caught me off guard.
well whether you caught my earlier post or not, I was basically asking what would be preferable - and to make it clear here - I'm not in the least interested in tying this issue to a Canadians vs Americans situation. This is about acts of humanity in response to acts of inhumanity.
What, I wonder, would you like see done differently? (barring the obvious preferable choice of stopping the carnage altogether)
Would significantly larger amounts reduce the insult? How much larger? What is right, and what is feasible?
April 24th, 2008, 07:41 PM
Quoting I think not
I simply said that article was what I had found in response to juan's question, and the question others had asked throughout as to whether or not other countries do the same. I wasn't spinning it. Merely providing a broader view as to what modern practice is.
The answer to your first question is never. This is the thrid time however when I point out an "injustice" you automatically spin it to what the US does is worse, so then you must be better, even if we are throwing pennies at the families victims.
Quoting I think not
Again, I'm merely providing a global perspective since I've asked a few times and gotten no replies, as to when such practices started, and which countries participate. I know you weren't part of it, and have been painted guilty by association, but, the opening posts in this thread were a direct shot at one country for doing such things.
BTW, I have no control what my government does, as I am sure you have no control over yours. That doesn't mean I think Canadians are responsible for this shameful decision, but rather those in charge are.
It's a shame really, I was under the impression you were above nationalistic broohaha.
My apologies for my error, I assure you it won't happen again.
It's a shame really, I was under the impression you were above nationalistic broohaha.
My apologies for my error, I assure you it won't happen again.
Quoting I think not
In my opinion, if a war is justified, then it's needed and justified, and human life is the cost of bringing about change. The instant some officer came to me offering money, I'd highly question what it is they had to apologize for. It's symptomatic of these forces not being there out of necessity. IMO.
No $0 isn't preferable, but that doesn't mean $9,000 is any better.
Perhaps you need to place yourself in the families position and tell me how $9,000 or a few hundred dollars would seem to you. Somehow I doubt you be "happy" with that.
Perhaps you need to place yourself in the families position and tell me how $9,000 or a few hundred dollars would seem to you. Somehow I doubt you be "happy" with that.
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April 26th, 2008, 08:35 PM
A simple yes or no will do.
Quoting EagleSmack
So there are no issues with the treatment of U.S veterans?
And what would you have wanted in payment? You do know it was an accident right? The Canadian soldier that put a bullet into his buddy in a tent in Afghanistan and killed him...was that OK?
I am a veteran and I am not treated like crap.
I am a veteran and I am not treated like crap.
A simple yes or no will do.
Super Genius
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April 26th, 2008, 09:29 PM
maybe I can help you out. Read here...
American Veterans in Crisis.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...ans_in_crisis
Quoting Avro
Hi, Avro,
So there are no issues with the treatment of U.S veterans?
A simple yes or no will do.
A simple yes or no will do.
maybe I can help you out. Read here...
American Veterans in Crisis.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...ans_in_crisis
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May 3rd, 2008, 02:18 PM
Tell you what --Think about your child getting blown away--bet a $100,000 would make it all worth while--well better than nothing- Baby, if it were my son or daughter I want him/her dead and the $100,000 shoved up-
I guess you don't feel that way??--better than nothing -what an insult- but there it is custom
Tell you what --Think about your child getting blown away--bet a $100,000 would make it all worth while--well better than nothing- Baby, if it were my son or daughter I want him/her dead and the $100,000 shoved up-
I guess you don't feel that way??--better than nothing -what an insult- but there it is custom
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May 6th, 2008, 10:33 AM
Quoting Avro
No if you want a simple answer. I come from a family that is chock full of military vets...no complaints here.
So there are no issues with the treatment of U.S veterans?
A simple yes or no will do.
A simple yes or no will do.
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May 6th, 2008, 10:36 AM
Quoting einmensch
Geez, Einmensch, that's 20 times what Sadaam and other Arab states used to pay to the parents of Palestinian kids that blew themselves up in Israel........are you saying a US soldier is dozens of times more valuable than a Palestinian kid?
Tell you what --Think about your child getting blown away--bet a $100,000 would make it all worth while--well better than nothing- Baby, if it were my son or daughter I want him/her dead and the $100,000 shoved up-
I guess you don't feel that way??--better than nothing -what an insult- but there it is custom
I guess you don't feel that way??--better than nothing -what an insult- but there it is custom
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May 10th, 2008, 10:49 AM
Dear Colpy, $9,000 in Canada is not much so I increased the value to $100,000. Hitting $1,000,000 would perhaps show more sincerity. AS far as Israel is concerned a Palestinian child is a goat and so is worth a goat. Saddam compensated the Palestinians for the damage done to the families of the suicide bomber.
I believe Saddam paid $25,000.
What is the value of a Jewish Israeli child? (All the arabs are not worth one fingernail?)
Dear Colpy, $9,000 in Canada is not much so I increased the value to $100,000. Hitting $1,000,000 would perhaps show more sincerity. AS far as Israel is concerned a Palestinian child is a goat and so is worth a goat. Saddam compensated the Palestinians for the damage done to the families of the suicide bomber.
I believe Saddam paid $25,000.
What is the value of a Jewish Israeli child? (All the arabs are not worth one fingernail?)
May 10th, 2008, 11:35 AM
Quoting karrie
I'm inclined to bump this because not one person commented on it. Did I hit the nail on the head, or did I miss by such a broad swing that engaging me would be lunacy? hmmmm.
In my opinion, if a war is justified, then it's needed and justified, and human life is the cost of bringing about change. The instant some officer came to me offering money, I'd highly question what it is they had to apologize for. It's symptomatic of these forces not being there out of necessity. IMO.
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Location: Southern Ontario
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May 10th, 2008, 12:38 PM
Quoting einmensch
That was nice of Saddam. Again, he could have paid nothing. Is this now the reason why there are hardly any suicide bombers, because Saddam is gone?
Dear Colpy, $9,000 in Canada is not much so I increased the value to $100,000. Hitting $1,000,000 would perhaps show more sincerity. AS far as Israel is concerned a Palestinian child is a goat and so is worth a goat. Saddam compensated the Palestinians for the damage done to the families of the suicide bomber.
I believe Saddam paid $25,000.
What is the value of a Jewish Israeli child? (All the arabs are not worth one fingernail?)
I believe Saddam paid $25,000.
What is the value of a Jewish Israeli child? (All the arabs are not worth one fingernail?)
