Clever Clogs
Posts: 519 
April 24th, 2008, 11:48 PM
Unless they stage a coup d'tete I doubt the conservatives will ever get a majority. Even with all the voter anger towards the Liberals in the last election they had to cheat to win, as close as that race was it's possible this scheme made the difference.
Harper and the conservatives have done a lot of damage to our political system in the name of their ideology and power. The real strength in Canada is not in any one individual or party but the openess and fairness of our electoral system. Attack that and you attack the basic freedom of all Canadians.
Another conservative candidate from the 2006 election has come forward to complain about the actions of the party in election. He was running in Labrador and claims he neither asked nor was consulted about participating in this scheme which he objected to.
Unless they stage a coup d'tete I doubt the conservatives will ever get a majority. Even with all the voter anger towards the Liberals in the last election they had to cheat to win, as close as that race was it's possible this scheme made the difference.
Harper and the conservatives have done a lot of damage to our political system in the name of their ideology and power. The real strength in Canada is not in any one individual or party but the openess and fairness of our electoral system. Attack that and you attack the basic freedom of all Canadians.
Another conservative candidate from the 2006 election has come forward to complain about the actions of the party in election. He was running in Labrador and claims he neither asked nor was consulted about participating in this scheme which he objected to.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,542
April 25th, 2008, 05:38 AM
Quoting Cobalt_Kid
What, they're going to take over someone's head?
Unless they stage a coup d'tete I doubt the conservatives will ever get a majority.
Genius
Posts: 890
April 26th, 2008, 11:50 AM
Harpers office refused to talk to CBC as well to the Canadian press after the truth of doctoring receipts came out. I can't forget when Harper was telling Canadians in the 2006-5 election "WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR YOU A REAL TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT, WE WILL CLEAN THE CORRUPTION IN OTTAWA. So pure scum bags!!!!!
Quoting Cobalt_Kid
Cobalt_Kid I am so pissed off man with this clowns, after a 13 year exile and many name changes to the so pure and white Con rat pack party in the quest to deceive the Canadian voter the Conservative idiotic ideology has always been as you know "DO AS YOU ARE TOLD NOT AS WE DO". What is astonishing here is that Harper begged and cheated to get a chicken little minority while he told Canadians his rat pack was the perfect panacea of political leaders in Canada while elections Canada was kept in the dark and behind closed doors they were printing new receipts and subsection's asking the voters who did not vote for these goofs to pay for the $777,000 e legal money maneuver. Time goes fast soon the Canadian vote will determine if snow white and big bad wolf wold play for another term.
Unless they stage a coup d'tete I doubt the conservatives will ever get a majority. Even with all the voter anger towards the Liberals in the last election they had to cheat to win, as close as that race was it's possible this scheme made the difference.
Harper and the conservatives have done a lot of damage to our political system in the name of their ideology and power. The real strength in Canada is not in any one individual or party but the openess and fairness of our electoral system. Attack that and you attack the basic freedom of all Canadians.
Another conservative candidate from the 2006 election has come forward to complain about the actions of the party in election. He was running in Labrador and claims he neither asked nor was consulted about participating in this scheme which he objected to.
Harper and the conservatives have done a lot of damage to our political system in the name of their ideology and power. The real strength in Canada is not in any one individual or party but the openess and fairness of our electoral system. Attack that and you attack the basic freedom of all Canadians.
Another conservative candidate from the 2006 election has come forward to complain about the actions of the party in election. He was running in Labrador and claims he neither asked nor was consulted about participating in this scheme which he objected to.
Harpers office refused to talk to CBC as well to the Canadian press after the truth of doctoring receipts came out. I can't forget when Harper was telling Canadians in the 2006-5 election "WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR YOU A REAL TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT, WE WILL CLEAN THE CORRUPTION IN OTTAWA. So pure scum bags!!!!!
Genius
Posts: 890
April 26th, 2008, 12:59 PM
ha haha
they have taken over your head Walter and you are very vulnerable
.
Quoting Walter
What, they're going to take over someone's head?
ha haha
they have taken over your head Walter and you are very vulnerable.
No party affiliation
Posts: 1,333
Location: Oshawa
Location: Oshawa
April 26th, 2008, 08:30 PM
I'll wait for an apology but only big men give them so I doubt I'll get one.
Thanks for trying ya mental midget.
Run along now....
Quoting Socrates the Greek
I merely used the U.S. as an example of what people consider as having an identity and in no way was my post against those who may be of a different color. You must be a dementia sufferer. Read your post and then shake your head, because you have a problem keeping your small brain consistent with the bone of contention here. We are talking about Harper the snow white cheater, and you are out of alignment talking about the Americans and white people slowly mixing with immigrants as if your ancestors were told by God go to North America, kill all the Indians and make certain that non whites don’t come into Canada. Who is the idiot and assface? Stop making an ass of your self.
I'll wait for an apology but only big men give them so I doubt I'll get one.
Thanks for trying ya mental midget.
Run along now....
Clever Clogs
Posts: 519
April 26th, 2008, 08:53 PM
Don't sweat it Socrates, I think enough Canadians are waking up to what the conservatives really stand for that they'll be out of power soon. Despite what Harper seems to think he's not king of Canada, we still get to vote...Vancouver/Kingsway notwithstanding
My guess is there will be some very interesting informantion coming out of all the correspondence taken from conservative party headquarters. After all the chips have fallen I doubt there will be many conservatives able to claim ANY moral high ground over the Liberals.
I'm predicting a Liberal minority government in the next election with greater input from the NDP and Green Party. It won't be perfect, but at least it won't be a government trying to hand the country over to the US AGAIN...
Don't sweat it Socrates, I think enough Canadians are waking up to what the conservatives really stand for that they'll be out of power soon. Despite what Harper seems to think he's not king of Canada, we still get to vote...Vancouver/Kingsway notwithstanding
My guess is there will be some very interesting informantion coming out of all the correspondence taken from conservative party headquarters. After all the chips have fallen I doubt there will be many conservatives able to claim ANY moral high ground over the Liberals.
I'm predicting a Liberal minority government in the next election with greater input from the NDP and Green Party. It won't be perfect, but at least it won't be a government trying to hand the country over to the US AGAIN...
Les
Posts: 5,585 
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
April 27th, 2008, 12:15 AM
Quoting Socrates the Greek
I echo your sarcasm. As I said, I am not a fan of Harper, and if you wouldn't support Martin's band of thieves, liars, and cheats; or layton's band of rationally inept knuckleheads, who would you support? It's really easy to sit back and spew vile at politicians, but not so easy to offer an alternative.
Martin was the mobster and Harper is snow white who doctors the reciepts so he can nail you come tax time. Very weak alternativem, Harper is about ethics and moralety. Oh my God!
Very weak alternativem, Harper is about ethics and moralety. Oh my God! Genius
Posts: 890
April 27th, 2008, 12:21 AM
Quoting Cobalt_Kid
From what we have seen this far from the Conservatives is a very contradictory picture of what they told us they are over what they really are. I did not vote for them but the lesson here for people that did is that, it is healthy to balance the vote with a strong opposition, this way the voters are on safe street. The Conservatives here in Canada at the federal level with a majority mandate would be so scary, it would be almost like Hitler returning to power. Anything else is a waist of time.
Don't sweat it Socrates, I think enough Canadians are waking up to what the conservatives really stand for that they'll be out of power soon. Despite what Harper seems to think he's not king of Canada, we still get to vote...Vancouver/Kingsway notwithstanding
My guess is there will be some very interesting informantion coming out of all the correspondence taken from conservative party headquarters. After all the chips have fallen I doubt there will be many conservatives able to claim ANY moral high ground over the Liberals.
I'm predicting a Liberal minority government in the next election with greater input from the NDP and Green Party. It won't be perfect, but at least it won't be a government trying to hand the country over to the US AGAIN...
My guess is there will be some very interesting informantion coming out of all the correspondence taken from conservative party headquarters. After all the chips have fallen I doubt there will be many conservatives able to claim ANY moral high ground over the Liberals.
I'm predicting a Liberal minority government in the next election with greater input from the NDP and Green Party. It won't be perfect, but at least it won't be a government trying to hand the country over to the US AGAIN...
Genius
Posts: 890
April 27th, 2008, 12:46 AM
The Libs need to regroup and re govern with caution.
Quoting L Gilbert
I am happy that we got a minority Conservative Government presently. The Libs on the 2006-5 election got sloppy at the end while the voters said look we count, not as bad as the Conservatives did back in 1991-2-3.
I echo your sarcasm. As I said, I am not a fan of Harper, and if you wouldn't support Martin's band of thieves, liars, and cheats; or layton's band of rationally inept knuckleheads, who would you support? It's really easy to sit back and spew vile at politicians, but not so easy to offer an alternative.
The Libs need to regroup and re govern with caution.
Genius
Posts: 890
April 27th, 2008, 01:01 AM
Quoting Avro
Avro my friend we are all in it together, if a Government affects many peoples life's in a negative way we the people should see that this cheats should be taught a lesson come election time.
I merely used the U.S. as an example of what people consider as having an identity and in no way was my post against those who may be of a different color.
I'll wait for an apology but only big men give them so I doubt I'll get one.
Thanks for trying ya mental midget.
Run along now....
I'll wait for an apology but only big men give them so I doubt I'll get one.
Thanks for trying ya mental midget.
Run along now....
Les
Posts: 5,585
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
April 27th, 2008, 01:01 AM
Quoting Socrates the Greek
.... and quit taking Canadians for fools. Martin was so bombastic and presumptuous at first, listening to him made me laugh, but after a while almost made me gag. Could also quit burgeoning Canada's debt.I would dearly love to see a federal gov't shrink in size and leave provincial powers to the provinces and quit trying to nanny everyone.
I am happy that we got a minority Conservative Government presently. The Libs on the 2006-5 election got sloppy at the end while the voters said look we count, not as bad as the Conservatives did back in 1991-2-3.
The Libs need to regroup and re govern with caution.
The Libs need to regroup and re govern with caution.
Genius
Posts: 890
April 27th, 2008, 01:12 AM
Quoting L Gilbert
I guss a true center left srinked model of Government could help Canada, provincial powers work as we all know quit well as long as the feds stay out of provincial affairs. .
.... and quit taking Canadians for fools. Martin was so bombastic and presumptuous at first, listening to him made me laugh, but after a while almost made me gag. Could also quit burgeoning Canada's debt.I would dearly love to see a federal gov't shrink in size and leave provincial powers to the provinces and quit trying to nanny everyone.
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Posts: 1,333
Location: Oshawa
Location: Oshawa
April 27th, 2008, 01:09 PM
Who knew you wouldn't be man enough.....me that's who.
Next time you want to blather on about something please be sure to know what it is you are talking about.
Quoting Socrates the Greek
Not much of an apology.
Avro my friend we are all in it together, if a Government affects many peoples life's in a negative way we the people should see that this cheats should be taught a lesson come election time.
Who knew you wouldn't be man enough.....me that's who.
Next time you want to blather on about something please be sure to know what it is you are talking about.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,604
April 27th, 2008, 01:16 PM
Vote fer me!
I'm not particualarly photogenic and don't care...don't have corporate masters to appease and have a reasonable grasp of what's going on....
Seeeeee....
If the Canadan publica were given the choice of someone who they had the opportunity of knowing....or at least someone prepared to address concerns and capable of identifying with the average person...the wealthy wouldn't continually control the government of prosperous nations.
Kill all the lawyers and put all the politicians in the jails they've built.....as guards!
Vote fer me!
I'm not particualarly photogenic and don't care...don't have corporate masters to appease and have a reasonable grasp of what's going on....
Seeeeee....
If the Canadan publica were given the choice of someone who they had the opportunity of knowing....or at least someone prepared to address concerns and capable of identifying with the average person...the wealthy wouldn't continually control the government of prosperous nations.
Kill all the lawyers and put all the politicians in the jails they've built.....as guards!
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,887
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
April 27th, 2008, 01:19 PM
Robin Sears, BTW, is an NDP advisor...........
Quoting Cobalt_Kid
I actually was leaning towards abandoning the CPC.....until I read an editorial piece in the Globe and Mail by Robin Sears.....he staunchly defended the Conservatives against Elections Canada. Sears says Elections Canada used to consult with all parties when defining the rules, and that it was always pretty well left to the Party to decide how and where money could be spent...... Sears also claims Elections Canada decided the "in and out" scheme was not acceptable retroactively.........a complete departure from common practise.
Don't sweat it Socrates, I think enough Canadians are waking up to what the conservatives really stand for that they'll be out of power soon. Despite what Harper seems to think he's not king of Canada, we still get to vote...Vancouver/Kingsway notwithstanding
My guess is there will be some very interesting informantion coming out of all the correspondence taken from conservative party headquarters. After all the chips have fallen I doubt there will be many conservatives able to claim ANY moral high ground over the Liberals.
I'm predicting a Liberal minority government in the next election with greater input from the NDP and Green Party. It won't be perfect, but at least it won't be a government trying to hand the country over to the US AGAIN...
My guess is there will be some very interesting informantion coming out of all the correspondence taken from conservative party headquarters. After all the chips have fallen I doubt there will be many conservatives able to claim ANY moral high ground over the Liberals.
I'm predicting a Liberal minority government in the next election with greater input from the NDP and Green Party. It won't be perfect, but at least it won't be a government trying to hand the country over to the US AGAIN...
Robin Sears, BTW, is an NDP advisor...........
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,604
April 27th, 2008, 01:54 PM
Colpy Colpy Colpy
The habit that Canadians have gotten used-to is putting the RCMP in charge of investigating the RCMP...putting the Treasury in charge of investigating the Treasury...and so on... WRONG!
We end up with the crap like the CRTC a bunch of cable company executives sculpting law to the advantage of corporate profit.... Or like Alan Eagleson of days gone by..putting lawyers in charge of the Legal Aid Fund that promptly went bankrupt....
Independent third party analysts and consultants should be hired on an as needed basis to review government internal policies and the policies of the federal police the communications morons etc. etc.
As long as we continue to believe that we're getting the straight goods from some sychopant pleasing his masters...see Stephen Harper....we'll never get honesty and integrity from government! Do you honestly think that the Adsacm Follies or the Air Inda Debacle or any of the enormously costly (to taxpayers kept in the dark) "investigations" and "committees" have achieved anything even remotely similar to transparency and integrity in the Canadian political milieu?
Colpy Colpy Colpy
The habit that Canadians have gotten used-to is putting the RCMP in charge of investigating the RCMP...putting the Treasury in charge of investigating the Treasury...and so on... WRONG!
We end up with the crap like the CRTC a bunch of cable company executives sculpting law to the advantage of corporate profit.... Or like Alan Eagleson of days gone by..putting lawyers in charge of the Legal Aid Fund that promptly went bankrupt....
Independent third party analysts and consultants should be hired on an as needed basis to review government internal policies and the policies of the federal police the communications morons etc. etc.
As long as we continue to believe that we're getting the straight goods from some sychopant pleasing his masters...see Stephen Harper....we'll never get honesty and integrity from government! Do you honestly think that the Adsacm Follies or the Air Inda Debacle or any of the enormously costly (to taxpayers kept in the dark) "investigations" and "committees" have achieved anything even remotely similar to transparency and integrity in the Canadian political milieu?
Clever Clogs
Posts: 674
Location: Canada
Location: Canada
April 27th, 2008, 02:15 PM
Sure Coply. I doubt you'll ever abandon this party for any reason. Probably even if they stole directly out of your own pocket you'll find someone out there outside the circle of commonsense to back your version of trying to understand it. You 'need' to believe in them. And basically sold out you own sense of moral compass in doing so.
Is this IN/OUT scheme so hard to figure for what it was? Their own membership who was asked to participate even feel betrayed. They weren't allowed to spend to money on their own local campaign and were advised to immediately wire the monies back to the national campaign.
And the Conservatives campaigned against the Liberals with the idea they would run a clean and ethical government. That they would 'clean up government'. They were making these statements while at the same time pulling dirty tricks.
This whole scheme is totally unethical and who knows how much this form of cheating over legal election limits contributed to winning the election. In a sense, they defrauded us of the legitimacy of our democracy. That is much worse than just having defrauded the taxpayer of paying for their sleazy tactics.
I'm sure you are totally ignoring the pattern of events as to the tactics Harper and his party. You know, where they seem to constantly berate and bully and undermine the institutions that give oversight on our political system. You know, the checks and balances that prevent a democracy from corruption and abuses of power. I mean you might as well stick a crown on Harper's head if you really want this for our country.
I've listened to the spokespersons for this party on this issue. My BS metre keeps going off. Why isn't yours?
Quoting Colpy
I actually was leaning towards abandoning the CPC.....until I read an editorial piece in the Globe and Mail by Robin Sears.....he staunchly defended the Conservatives against Elections Canada. Sears says Elections Canada used to consult with all parties when defining the rules, and that it was always pretty well left to the Party to decide how and where money could be spent...... Sears also claims Elections Canada decided the "in and out" scheme was not acceptable retroactively.........a complete departure from common practise.
Robin Sears, BTW, is an NDP advisor...........
Robin Sears, BTW, is an NDP advisor...........
Sure Coply. I doubt you'll ever abandon this party for any reason. Probably even if they stole directly out of your own pocket you'll find someone out there outside the circle of commonsense to back your version of trying to understand it. You 'need' to believe in them. And basically sold out you own sense of moral compass in doing so.
Is this IN/OUT scheme so hard to figure for what it was? Their own membership who was asked to participate even feel betrayed. They weren't allowed to spend to money on their own local campaign and were advised to immediately wire the monies back to the national campaign.
Quote:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home
In her own affidavit, Ms. Singleton said she was contacted by Brian Hudson, an official at Conservative headquarters, who explained that the party would be sending the campaign some money but it would have to be sent back immediately.
“Our campaign had just started and we had very little money and so I asked Mr. Hudson if I could use some of that money to advertise on local radio and in the local newspaper,” Ms. Singleton wrote.
“Mr. Hudson said no, that this money was for television advertising and that we would have to pay for radio and newspaper ads ourselves. I then asked Mr. Hudson if the TV ads would mention or in any way reference Mr. Goudie's campaign. He said the TV ads would be generic and there would be no reference to Mr. Goudie.”
In her own affidavit, Ms. Singleton said she was contacted by Brian Hudson, an official at Conservative headquarters, who explained that the party would be sending the campaign some money but it would have to be sent back immediately.
“Our campaign had just started and we had very little money and so I asked Mr. Hudson if I could use some of that money to advertise on local radio and in the local newspaper,” Ms. Singleton wrote.
“Mr. Hudson said no, that this money was for television advertising and that we would have to pay for radio and newspaper ads ourselves. I then asked Mr. Hudson if the TV ads would mention or in any way reference Mr. Goudie's campaign. He said the TV ads would be generic and there would be no reference to Mr. Goudie.”
And the Conservatives campaigned against the Liberals with the idea they would run a clean and ethical government. That they would 'clean up government'. They were making these statements while at the same time pulling dirty tricks.
This whole scheme is totally unethical and who knows how much this form of cheating over legal election limits contributed to winning the election. In a sense, they defrauded us of the legitimacy of our democracy. That is much worse than just having defrauded the taxpayer of paying for their sleazy tactics.
I'm sure you are totally ignoring the pattern of events as to the tactics Harper and his party. You know, where they seem to constantly berate and bully and undermine the institutions that give oversight on our political system. You know, the checks and balances that prevent a democracy from corruption and abuses of power. I mean you might as well stick a crown on Harper's head if you really want this for our country.
I've listened to the spokespersons for this party on this issue. My BS metre keeps going off. Why isn't yours?
Genius
Posts: 890
April 27th, 2008, 03:45 PM
Quoting Walter 1968; the beginning of Turdomania and the demise of Canadian identity.
Quoting Walter 1968; the beginning of Turdomania and the demise of Canadian identity.
Quoting Avro
Hey Avro you owe an apology to none white people. I have been very civil here with some of the stupid idiotic NEO CON spin. Look above what Walter wrote and look under Walters moronic bla bla and your response is not defending ordinary people but rather you show to be a Conservative bigot. Ok? So don't be calling me names, you are the mental midget and you should do something real soon about getting a life which can be of benefit to you and others you associate with. Other wise you will go down in history as a bigot and a small minded loser. You are asking on your last sentence in this quote to tell you what is the American identity, who is talking about Americans and their identity in this thread?
Identity? What the hell does that mean? It's thrown about as if it really means something but really means nothing other than code for we are letting in more immigrants who aren't white.
Tell me, what is the American identity other than a big military?
Tell me, what is the American identity other than a big military?
