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Location: Alberta, Canada
Location: Alberta, Canada
March 15th, 2008, 07:45 PM
Sorry...but your example doesn't support your statement..... Most Albertans are NOT rednecks and they are NOT conservative....the damn PC party in Alberta isn't conservative....it is more centrist or even left leaning. The same with the statement that "most welfare recipients are bums"..... this is far from the truth and in reality the "abusers" are in the minority. Unless you can come up with some solid figures to prove the opposite.
Quoting karrie
The point was that stereotypes are usually built around a core of truth. That no, they don't apply to ALL people, but, to many. Like the stereotype that Alberta's a redneck conservative province. Um, yep. It doesn't make all Albertans that way, but, quite a darn few!
Sorry...but your example doesn't support your statement..... Most Albertans are NOT rednecks and they are NOT conservative....the damn PC party in Alberta isn't conservative....it is more centrist or even left leaning. The same with the statement that "most welfare recipients are bums"..... this is far from the truth and in reality the "abusers" are in the minority. Unless you can come up with some solid figures to prove the opposite.
March 15th, 2008, 07:50 PM
You're taking my comment regarding stereotypes to a bit of an extreme. I was merely empathizing with Sal's comment that sometimes it's a challenge to look past the stereotype, because you see those who do feed it. The stereotype isn't born out of thin air. I'm not saying it's 'correct' or that it's statistically backed up. Just that it can be hard to stay clear of letting it sway you when you see people who fit it.
You're taking my comment regarding stereotypes to a bit of an extreme. I was merely empathizing with Sal's comment that sometimes it's a challenge to look past the stereotype, because you see those who do feed it. The stereotype isn't born out of thin air. I'm not saying it's 'correct' or that it's statistically backed up. Just that it can be hard to stay clear of letting it sway you when you see people who fit it.
Grossly Underrated
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Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
March 15th, 2008, 08:19 PM
Woof!
Quoting jenn
In too many cases, if the appropriate authority didn't pay heed to stereotypes or have to answer to bottom lines, people beneath those bottom lines could be treated to best advantage with due dignity.
welfare is supposed to be a short term help... not long term... too many use it and abuse it.... I agree with something has to be done.. too many are on too long....
Woof!
Electoral Member
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March 16th, 2008, 12:10 AM
Quoting jenn
When I had moved to Toronto I had applied for unemployment from my last job in New Brunswick. I was asked why I quit my job in N.B. I told them a friend had just moved to Toronto, told me there may be better jobs than the part time job I had had in N.B. Needless to say, I got refused unemployment because I had quit my job. So of course, I went straight to the welfare office. The first cheque I got from them was about the same I received from my part time job in N.B. I thought, wow! I spent 6 months in Toronto, on welfare enjoying the sights and entertainment before I decided to fly off to Korea for a real job. I can see though, why some people do not want to go off it. Man, those cheques are big.
welfare is supposed to be a short term help... not long term... too many use it and abuse it.... I agree with something has to be done.. too many are on too long....
March 16th, 2008, 06:22 AM
Quote:
You sir obviously have never taken a drug stronger then an aspirin. I would have to infer from this statement that you know nothing of drug use. "usually ends in an overdose and death". If your opinion held water at all, the population of the world would be very much smaller than it is now. I personally know many who have been or are addicted to drugs. However I do not know anyone who has died from an overdose and I am not all that young. Your statement is small minded and just a stereotype that I feel is associated with holier than thou religious hypocrites.
Lester said: Drug addiction is an illness make no mistake by assuming that it's a choice it may have been in the begining when a person first starts using but once addicted it becomes a downward spiral that usually ends in an overdose and death.
March 16th, 2008, 06:27 AM
To the OP:
If you are submitting to drug testing you are forfeiting your constitutional rights. There is president in this matter involving an oil company.
To the OP:
If you are submitting to drug testing you are forfeiting your constitutional rights. There is president in this matter involving an oil company.
Quote:
Source IMPERIAL OIL DRUG TESTING POLICY RUNS AGROUND
The Ontario Court of Appeal has issued its long anticipated decision on the legality of Imperial Oil's drug testing policy. In the result, after nearly a decade of struggle, Imperial Oil employee Marty Entrop, CCLA, and the Ontario Human Rights Commission have won a qualified victory in the fight against universal pre-employment and random safety-sensitive urinalysis drug testing. While the Court declared that such testing violates the human rights of employees, technical grounds prevented the Court from ordering Imperial to kill its policy immediately. However, while the policy is still potentially afloat, it is effectively dead in the water. Imperial Oil has announced that it has suspended the policy indefinitely.
The Ontario Court of Appeal has issued its long anticipated decision on the legality of Imperial Oil's drug testing policy. In the result, after nearly a decade of struggle, Imperial Oil employee Marty Entrop, CCLA, and the Ontario Human Rights Commission have won a qualified victory in the fight against universal pre-employment and random safety-sensitive urinalysis drug testing. While the Court declared that such testing violates the human rights of employees, technical grounds prevented the Court from ordering Imperial to kill its policy immediately. However, while the policy is still potentially afloat, it is effectively dead in the water. Imperial Oil has announced that it has suspended the policy indefinitely.
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March 16th, 2008, 09:57 AM
Did you borrow your avatar's glass or try some of the dope floating about in this thread to see that? $520.00 a month won't put a roof over your head - especially in Toronto - and you'd have to claim a living expense to get even that much - otherwise it's $195.00.
Woof!
Quoting faithlessforeve
"Those cheques are big...."
When I had moved to Toronto I had applied for unemployment from my last job in New Brunswick. I was asked why I quit my job in N.B. I told them a friend had just moved to Toronto, told me there may be better jobs than the part time job I had had in N.B. Needless to say, I got refused unemployment because I had quit my job. So of course, I went straight to the welfare office. The first cheque I got from them was about the same I received from my part time job in N.B. I thought, wow! I spent 6 months in Toronto, on welfare enjoying the sights and entertainment before I decided to fly off to Korea for a real job. I can see though, why some people do not want to go off it. Man, those cheques are big.
Did you borrow your avatar's glass or try some of the dope floating about in this thread to see that? $520.00 a month won't put a roof over your head - especially in Toronto - and you'd have to claim a living expense to get even that much - otherwise it's $195.00.
Woof!
March 16th, 2008, 11:47 AM
See, I don't get that eh1eh. If you sign on with a company and they tell you their policy, you agree in order to get your paycheque, I don't think you have much right to bitch. Personally, if I were a company, I wouldn't be doing tests for pot, but I'd damn sure be wanting to weed out the meth heads. They're fricking freaky, and downright dangerous.
Hubby's company tests on hire, and tests if you have an accident. If you roll one of their trucks with meth or pot or alcohol in your system, you're turfed. They remind their guys regularly.
See, I don't get that eh1eh. If you sign on with a company and they tell you their policy, you agree in order to get your paycheque, I don't think you have much right to bitch. Personally, if I were a company, I wouldn't be doing tests for pot, but I'd damn sure be wanting to weed out the meth heads. They're fricking freaky, and downright dangerous.
Hubby's company tests on hire, and tests if you have an accident. If you roll one of their trucks with meth or pot or alcohol in your system, you're turfed. They remind their guys regularly.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,041
Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
March 16th, 2008, 11:59 AM
EI being based upon one's former salary is likely more than double plus what welfare would be and still won't pay my condo fees, hydro, gas, car payments and keep me supplied with cat food and litter. It won't even begin to cover my expenses in a month.
Therefore my guess would be you are young with zero responsibility other than keeping your own body and soul together...
A nice place to be I might add.
Quoting faithlessforeve
Geez, any kind of government money is hardly enough to keep anyone in Timmy's for a month let alone put a roof over your head, feed and clothe you.
When I had moved to Toronto I had applied for unemployment from my last job in New Brunswick. I was asked why I quit my job in N.B. I told them a friend had just moved to Toronto, told me there may be better jobs than the part time job I had had in N.B. Needless to say, I got refused unemployment because I had quit my job. So of course, I went straight to the welfare office. The first cheque I got from them was about the same I received from my part time job in N.B. I thought, wow! I spent 6 months in Toronto, on welfare enjoying the sights and entertainment before I decided to fly off to Korea for a real job. I can see though, why some people do not want to go off it. Man, those cheques are big.
EI being based upon one's former salary is likely more than double plus what welfare would be and still won't pay my condo fees, hydro, gas, car payments and keep me supplied with cat food and litter. It won't even begin to cover my expenses in a month.
Therefore my guess would be you are young with zero responsibility other than keeping your own body and soul together...
A nice place to be I might add.
Electoral Member
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Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
March 17th, 2008, 10:48 PM
Question: why do you think dope dealers sell to kids?
Answer: Because their current clientel keep dying off.
Quoting eh1eh
No it is you who is the acolyte in this matter- I on the other hand have first hand experience with Alcohol and drug abuse My brother died of an overdose, his sons are drug addicts, I have seen dozens of people die from it, be "it" heroin, crack, dillies, cough syrup, meth/speed some of them were related, others were friends of theirs- I contest that I could be considered an expert in this matter-
You sir obviously have never taken a drug stronger then an aspirin. I would have to infer from this statement that you know nothing of drug use. "usually ends in an overdose and death". If your opinion held water at all, the population of the world would be very much smaller than it is now. I personally know many who have been or are addicted to drugs. However I do not know anyone who has died from an overdose and I am not all that young. Your statement is small minded and just a stereotype that I feel is associated with holier than thou religious hypocrites.
Question: why do you think dope dealers sell to kids?
Answer: Because their current clientel keep dying off.
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Posts: 4,612
March 17th, 2008, 10:52 PM
This blame game is so amusing....
While CEOs rake in millions while their mortgage companies go broke and people are losing their homes and their futures...someone has taken the time to focus on the welfare bums...
No wonder our nations are screwed.....
Baa Baa Baa
This blame game is so amusing....
While CEOs rake in millions while their mortgage companies go broke and people are losing their homes and their futures...someone has taken the time to focus on the welfare bums...
No wonder our nations are screwed.....
Baa Baa Baa
Electoral Member
Posts: 405
March 18th, 2008, 11:23 PM
When it comes to pot, which is what the companies test for, there has never been a documented case of an overdose or death from the drug. It is impossible to happen.
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Sorry lester but I have to agree with eh1eh on this one. "Most" people that do drugs do not overdose OR die. The fact that 12 people you know have is quit abnormal. You could not find a single person on this site that could say the same. I am also quit courious of your nationality. Can you tell me, did any of these people that died or have overdosed have jobs? Anyways, the statement you made is false.
No it is you who is the acolyte in this matter- I on the other hand have first hand experience with Alcohol and drug abuse My brother died of an overdose, his sons are drug addicts, I have seen dozens of people die from it, be "it" heroin, crack, dillies, cough syrup, meth/speed some of them were related, others were friends of theirs- I contest that I could be considered an expert in this matter-
When it comes to pot, which is what the companies test for, there has never been a documented case of an overdose or death from the drug. It is impossible to happen.
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Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
March 19th, 2008, 02:33 AM
I have a friend who comes from a very good family, all of them are hard working middle class Canadians. He owned his home and had lived in it for five years always making a large principal payment every year, he had a new car (paid for), investments, made tons of cash. he got in with the wrong crowd and got strung out on crack and lost everything within three years. He is now recovering, albeit slowly. This sort of thing, sadly, is not all that uncommon.
Quoting Albertabound
Well most of these people did- it was in the seventies and eighties, and these were my brothers associates, I knew them all and even took one of them to the hospital once( he was po'ed because they gave him something and it ruined his high) but during that time these people went out of control and dropped like flies.It may be different now because it's meth and crack but the results are just as bad, when these people are desperate for the dope they will just about comit any kind of low act to get the money for it. They will steal anything not nailed down charity boxes(poppy fund), purses,Shoplift, robbery, B & E's and from family.
Sorry lester but I have to agree with eh1eh on this one. "Most" people that do drugs do not overdose OR die. The fact that 12 people you know have is quit abnormal. You could not find a single person on this site that could say the same. I am also quit courious of your nationality. Can you tell me, did any of these people that died or have overdosed have jobs? Anyways, the statement you made is false.
When it comes to pot, which is what the companies test for, there has never been a documented case of an overdose or death from the drug. It is impossible to happen.
When it comes to pot, which is what the companies test for, there has never been a documented case of an overdose or death from the drug. It is impossible to happen.
I have a friend who comes from a very good family, all of them are hard working middle class Canadians. He owned his home and had lived in it for five years always making a large principal payment every year, he had a new car (paid for), investments, made tons of cash. he got in with the wrong crowd and got strung out on crack and lost everything within three years. He is now recovering, albeit slowly. This sort of thing, sadly, is not all that uncommon.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,041
Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
March 19th, 2008, 07:59 AM
The drug industry was new.The drugs would come in from the States and get cut here. Dealers toted guns and hit up. I know the culture from then. It was akin to the wild west, very much a free for all. But that is not the same as now.
Guess you would not favour my idea of all drugs becoming legal and controlled like alcohol.
Quoting Lester
I grew up during the 70's, one of the decades you refer to. You are right that there were many ODs and deaths back then. I could name a few people that either OD or got bumped off as the gangs and organized crime saw a lucrative, growing industry.
Well most of these people did- it was in the seventies and eighties, and these were my brothers associates, I knew them all and even took one of them to the hospital once( he was po'ed because they gave him something and it ruined his high) but during that time these people went out of control and dropped like flies.It may be different now because it's meth and crack but the results are just as bad, when these people are desperate for the dope they will just about comit any kind of low act to get the money for it. They will steal anything not nailed down charity boxes(poppy fund), purses,Shoplift, robbery, B & E's and from family.
I have a friend who comes from a very good family, all of them are hard working middle class Canadians. He owned his home and had lived in it for five years always making a large principal payment every year, he had a new car (paid for), investments, made tons of cash. he got in with the wrong crowd and got strung out on crack and lost everything within three years. He is now recovering, albeit slowly. This sort of thing, sadly, is not all that uncommon.
I have a friend who comes from a very good family, all of them are hard working middle class Canadians. He owned his home and had lived in it for five years always making a large principal payment every year, he had a new car (paid for), investments, made tons of cash. he got in with the wrong crowd and got strung out on crack and lost everything within three years. He is now recovering, albeit slowly. This sort of thing, sadly, is not all that uncommon.
The drug industry was new.The drugs would come in from the States and get cut here. Dealers toted guns and hit up. I know the culture from then. It was akin to the wild west, very much a free for all. But that is not the same as now.
Guess you would not favour my idea of all drugs becoming legal and controlled like alcohol.
March 19th, 2008, 08:15 AM
Quoting Sal
Oh I beg to differ. I know eh1eh and albertabound seem to be basing their counter arguments on pot, but if you head up to the meth soaked north, it's still a wildwest show, with the hell's angels and various other gangs running a free for all. People are dying of it. It's no joke.
I know the culture from then. It was akin to the wild west, very much a free for all. But that is not the same as now.
Super Genius
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Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
March 19th, 2008, 08:26 AM
But in the "old" days drug running was done by "citizens" not by gangs. And at the beginning "citizens" didn't know *sh*t* about the drugs nor the effects on the body. Sometimes they died. And it was a much smaller circle of people who did the controlling.
Hell I was young and not even into the drugs although I had very close connections with people who did. It is not the same "drug" culture now as back then...
I remember seeing people hit up and literally "going out" with the needle still in their arm. Things were wild. More people did die from the "regular" community.
Now your average person may well do prescription drugs.
Quoting karrie
Oh I agree with you there Karrie.
Oh I beg to differ. I know eh1eh and albertabound seem to be basing their counter arguments on pot, but if you head up to the meth soaked north, it's still a wildwest show, with the hell's angels and various other gangs running a free for all. People are dying of it. It's no joke.
But in the "old" days drug running was done by "citizens" not by gangs. And at the beginning "citizens" didn't know *sh*t* about the drugs nor the effects on the body. Sometimes they died. And it was a much smaller circle of people who did the controlling.
Hell I was young and not even into the drugs although I had very close connections with people who did. It is not the same "drug" culture now as back then...
I remember seeing people hit up and literally "going out" with the needle still in their arm. Things were wild. More people did die from the "regular" community.
Now your average person may well do prescription drugs.
