Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,650 
Location: Vancouver Island
Location: Vancouver Island
March 17th, 2008, 06:13 PM
place in the family, exchanging opinions and wishes back and forth, then, it is his decision,
and no one is sending him anywhere, or making him do anything against his will, it is up
to him.
When a young person reaches 'THAT' age, to make such a decision, hopefully, the family has spent
a few years around the dinner table, educating the children, and keeping them up to date as to what is going on in the world and why, and how our country connects to
those situations, so that, if and when he/she makes that decision it is with some knowledge of history and happenings.
Quoting Scott Free
But the point is, after the dust settles, the many conversations which will naturally take
There is a big difference between not leaving your house and deliberately turning yourself into an emotional basket case. There is also a big difference between creating your own narrative than following one created for you to address issues that don't actually effect you. There is also a big difference between taking risk and taking unnecessary risk. There is also a big difference between furthering the political elites dreams of imperialism and furthering your own dreams.
It is perfectly reasonable to take the risk inherent in driving to school.
It is perfectly reasonable to take the risk inherent in driving to school.
place in the family, exchanging opinions and wishes back and forth, then, it is his decision,
and no one is sending him anywhere, or making him do anything against his will, it is up
to him.
When a young person reaches 'THAT' age, to make such a decision, hopefully, the family has spent
a few years around the dinner table, educating the children, and keeping them up to date as to what is going on in the world and why, and how our country connects to
those situations, so that, if and when he/she makes that decision it is with some knowledge of history and happenings.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,361
Location: Great Satan
Location: Great Satan
March 17th, 2008, 06:19 PM
And everyone that goes comes back a basket case?
Take a closer look at the anti-war crowd if you want to see some grade "A" examples of case basketry...
Typical, and perfectly predictable hyperbole from the left.
What can the parent do about it anyways? If the young man is an adult according to Canada, then I guess the parents only recourse is to be unsupportive and whiny, isn't it?
Quoting Scott Free
Is it perfectly reasonable to assume that going to Afghanistan is an instant death sentence?
There is a big difference between not leaving your house and deliberately turning yourself into an emotional basket case. There is also a big difference between creating your own narrative than following one created for you to address issues that don't actually effect you. There is also a big difference between taking risk and taking unnecessary risk. There is also a big difference between furthering the political elites dreams of imperialism and furthering your own dreams.
It is perfectly reasonable to take the risk inherent in driving to school.
It is perfectly reasonable to take the risk inherent in driving to school.
And everyone that goes comes back a basket case?
Take a closer look at the anti-war crowd if you want to see some grade "A" examples of case basketry...
Typical, and perfectly predictable hyperbole from the left.
What can the parent do about it anyways? If the young man is an adult according to Canada, then I guess the parents only recourse is to be unsupportive and whiny, isn't it?
Genius
Posts: 959
Location: BC
Location: BC
March 17th, 2008, 06:36 PM
So while you claim a liberal view is hyperbole you yourself are attempting to use Ad Populum (appeal to popular belief) which isn't the popular belief in this country. We are free to feel and care about our fellow man as much as we like without derision or fear - it is even viewed as a quality here!
As for protesters: In a real democracy protesting is not only tolerated but desirable. Naturally they might protest something we don't like but that is where liberty comes into play and so they are free to protest and we are free to ignore them.
It's called family values. They are worth checking into.
Quoting thomaska
Not quite but if your Canadian it is a risk.
Is it perfectly reasonable to assume that going to Afghanistan is an instant death sentence?
Quoting thomaska
Just the training to go makes you one.
And everyone that goes comes back a basket case?
Quoting thomaska
I think you have mistaken Canada for a US style democracy. In Canada we are still free to have a liberal bias if we wish, we do not consider it a weakness to care about our fellow man even if they are not Canadian. We have many political parties not just one and some of those are liberal. In a real democracy having a liberal view is perfectly acceptable.
Take a closer look at the anti-war crowd if you want to see some grade "A" examples of case basketry...
Typical, and perfectly predictable hyperbole from the left.
Typical, and perfectly predictable hyperbole from the left.
So while you claim a liberal view is hyperbole you yourself are attempting to use Ad Populum (appeal to popular belief) which isn't the popular belief in this country. We are free to feel and care about our fellow man as much as we like without derision or fear - it is even viewed as a quality here!
As for protesters: In a real democracy protesting is not only tolerated but desirable. Naturally they might protest something we don't like but that is where liberty comes into play and so they are free to protest and we are free to ignore them.
Quoting thomaska
True enough. If you haven't done a very good job raising your child I expect he wouldn't listen to your view. In countries (like Canada) where children don't watch so much TV but interact with their parents; the parents are actually very influential in the child's life right into adulthood. It is very common here for children and parents to be so close they are like best friends.
What can the parent do about it anyways? If the young man is an adult according to Canada, then I guess the parents only recourse is to be unsupportive and whiny, isn't it?
It's called family values. They are worth checking into.
March 17th, 2008, 07:01 PM
Quoting Scott Free
I prefer logic to emotion. Cold and calculated works. Even in business.
Logical rational thought and emotion are two different things. If you lose your emotional strength you can still maintain your logical faculties. In reality though they do intertwine but emotion isn't very necessary for a good stratagem.
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I agree, I doubt there are many members kicking around any forums I haunt that wouldn't agree I still require years of therapy, lol...
That was my point. Sure there is help but it won't put you back together again.
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I don't think you need to have all sorts of emotions to be successful. I think you need to be able to apply the right response to the situation at hand. Ex Troopers make great bosses. So I've been told.
Being emotionally strong is not a pussies attribute in the civilian world it is a very necessary attribute for success.
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No, but then again, the Canadian Armed Forces does not create 'killing machines'. It creates Professional Soldiers. They are used as Peacekeepers and they are weapons and they can be a myriad of other things as well. All of which make them combat effective.
Being a good killing machine isn't much of an asset in the civilian world.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,646
Location: Alberta, Canada
Location: Alberta, Canada
March 17th, 2008, 07:42 PM
Ask your son if he is sure that he can/wants to kill another human being. That he has no moral objections to pulling the trigger to end anothers life. Someone elses son, daughter, Father, Mother........
Quoting BM5
All the talk, talk, propaganda, propaganda, debate, debate...........................
I have a son of age in Canada, he was considering the military.
As a parent I thought about it, is this a war worth the death of my son ?
I have a son of age in Canada, he was considering the military.
As a parent I thought about it, is this a war worth the death of my son ?
Ask your son if he is sure that he can/wants to kill another human being. That he has no moral objections to pulling the trigger to end anothers life. Someone elses son, daughter, Father, Mother........
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,650
Location: Vancouver Island
Location: Vancouver Island
March 18th, 2008, 01:23 AM
that question I think they would think long and hard, and probably begin to back off at
the thought of killing another person, BUT a younger person, 'in my opinion' would answer more quickly and with such patriotism, "yes I could, it would be for my country,
and it would be him or me, so I could do it", the realism will come to him later in life,
how horrible that act really is, irrespective if it is for your country or not.
Quoting gerryh
that is an excellent question to suggest they ask their son. If an older person was asked
Ask your son if he is sure that he can/wants to kill another human being. That he has no moral objections to pulling the trigger to end anothers life. Someone elses son, daughter, Father, Mother........
that question I think they would think long and hard, and probably begin to back off at
the thought of killing another person, BUT a younger person, 'in my opinion' would answer more quickly and with such patriotism, "yes I could, it would be for my country,
and it would be him or me, so I could do it", the realism will come to him later in life,
how horrible that act really is, irrespective if it is for your country or not.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,041
Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
March 18th, 2008, 08:06 AM
Quoting BM5
In a word, "no" this war over "there" is not worth the death of your son.
All the talk, talk, propaganda, propaganda, debate, debate...........................
I have a son of age in Canada, he was considering the military.
As a parent I thought about it, is this a war worth the death of my son ?
I have a son of age in Canada, he was considering the military.
As a parent I thought about it, is this a war worth the death of my son ?
Newbie
Posts: 38
March 26th, 2008, 11:17 PM
Death comes to all, but is Afganistan a reasonable sacrifice for me to bear if he chose to go there and ends up a ramp ceromony, I really wonder how many of the now 81 parents and families feel about it now ?
Quoting Sal
Well I have thought about it somewhat, like the posts say, it is up to him, he is of age etc., etc. As a father, the babe in the womb, the birth, the childhood, the growing up, the love and hope for ?????????
In a word, "no" this war over "there" is not worth the death of your son.
Death comes to all, but is Afganistan a reasonable sacrifice for me to bear if he chose to go there and ends up a ramp ceromony, I really wonder how many of the now 81 parents and families feel about it now ?
